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Someone has removed the previously posted photo of Tommie Smith and John Carlos and have nominated it for deletion. I see no discussion on that issue, but that image should be restored. This statue is a campus icon on the San Jose State campus, signifying a most notable moment on the world stage by two San Jose State alumni. There could be no better picture to encompass recognizable achievement by San Jose State athletes. There are, however, still some people who harbor racist issues or a political agenda against that event. Those people should not be allowed to influence Wikipedia content. Trackinfo ( talk) 18:26, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
Someone has placed the insufficient references tag into this listing. They obviously seem to ignore the fact that this is a listing. All of the individuals named here either sub-reference to their own wikipedia article or are not significant enough to have such an article. I'm not going to get into a case by case discussion for deletion here, but those who do have an article already have sufficient references for those articles to remain on wikipedia (despite the trend toward deletion that passes for revue here--but I digress). It is unnecessary to expect that a list like this should need to duplicate, each and every one of the references for something already contained on wikipedia. The insufficient references tag does not need to detract from this article. Trackinfo ( talk) 18:26, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
"In general, a person or organization added to a list should have a pre-existing article before being added to most lists. If you wish to create such an article, please first confirm that the subject qualifies for a separate, stand-alone article according to Wikipedia's notability guideline." - SummerPhD ( talk) 00:06, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
I'm sorry, but you seem to be under the impression a Wiki article must first be created before a notable alumnus/alumna or faculty member can be included on an institution's list of "notable" people, which simply isn't the case under Wiki rules of notability. To expect individual articles to be created in advance as a requisite for inclusion on a summary list is not in keeping with the evolving spirit and nature of any project.
Having said that, the vast majority of the persons who do appear on the SJSU list do have their own articles and ALL entries have been painstakingly referenced, which makes it one of the stronger university "notable people" lists I've seen. Boosterism is clearly not a significant issue (problem) here, unlike many other similar university lists. If you had bothered to follow any of the references provided, you would have discovered that most of the entries you deleted qualified for inclusion on the list under Wiki rules.
I don't need a lecture on how "Wiki works" when clearly you are the one who is unfamiliar with certain aspects of Wiki protocol and common courtesy as evidenced by your careless, broad-brush DELETION of every entry that did not come with its own Wiki article without even so much as an explanation. Not how Wiki works. Among those you deleted were numerous Pulitzer Prize winners, CEOs past and present of Fortune 500 companies including F500 company founders, numerous Olympians, presidents of major academic institutions, U.S. ambassadors, et al.
And yes, your edit summaries were rather "brief." Understatement of the week. I did not add any "new" entries, by the way. I only restored entries that were inappropriately and carelessly deleted. I do agree many of the faculty members you deleted did not belong on the list, and a handful of others in other sections as well. Londonfifo ( talk) 19:09, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
If you were truly interested in enhancing the quality of this project, you would go back and begin creating articles for the handful of entries that do not yet have their own articles. If in following the references provided for each of the entries you discover any of them do not meet basic notability criteria, then by all means delete, but please provide justification in your notes. Broad-brush deletion of numerous entries without providing any explanation (worse than SHOUTING), especially when most of those entries OBVIOUSLY meet basic notability criteria under Wikipedia:Notability rules, qualifies as a destructive act, can rightfully be interpreted as vandalism, and is not in keeping with the collaborative and supportive spirit of this community. In short, notability tags, for example, would have been infinitely more appropriate than speedy deletion of so many list-worthy entries.
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This article might be getting to long. I've tried three times to update Steve DeBerg's listing and each time has resulted in a database error. Here's the text I intend to add:
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Someone has removed the previously posted photo of Tommie Smith and John Carlos and have nominated it for deletion. I see no discussion on that issue, but that image should be restored. This statue is a campus icon on the San Jose State campus, signifying a most notable moment on the world stage by two San Jose State alumni. There could be no better picture to encompass recognizable achievement by San Jose State athletes. There are, however, still some people who harbor racist issues or a political agenda against that event. Those people should not be allowed to influence Wikipedia content. Trackinfo ( talk) 18:26, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
Someone has placed the insufficient references tag into this listing. They obviously seem to ignore the fact that this is a listing. All of the individuals named here either sub-reference to their own wikipedia article or are not significant enough to have such an article. I'm not going to get into a case by case discussion for deletion here, but those who do have an article already have sufficient references for those articles to remain on wikipedia (despite the trend toward deletion that passes for revue here--but I digress). It is unnecessary to expect that a list like this should need to duplicate, each and every one of the references for something already contained on wikipedia. The insufficient references tag does not need to detract from this article. Trackinfo ( talk) 18:26, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
"In general, a person or organization added to a list should have a pre-existing article before being added to most lists. If you wish to create such an article, please first confirm that the subject qualifies for a separate, stand-alone article according to Wikipedia's notability guideline." - SummerPhD ( talk) 00:06, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
I'm sorry, but you seem to be under the impression a Wiki article must first be created before a notable alumnus/alumna or faculty member can be included on an institution's list of "notable" people, which simply isn't the case under Wiki rules of notability. To expect individual articles to be created in advance as a requisite for inclusion on a summary list is not in keeping with the evolving spirit and nature of any project.
Having said that, the vast majority of the persons who do appear on the SJSU list do have their own articles and ALL entries have been painstakingly referenced, which makes it one of the stronger university "notable people" lists I've seen. Boosterism is clearly not a significant issue (problem) here, unlike many other similar university lists. If you had bothered to follow any of the references provided, you would have discovered that most of the entries you deleted qualified for inclusion on the list under Wiki rules.
I don't need a lecture on how "Wiki works" when clearly you are the one who is unfamiliar with certain aspects of Wiki protocol and common courtesy as evidenced by your careless, broad-brush DELETION of every entry that did not come with its own Wiki article without even so much as an explanation. Not how Wiki works. Among those you deleted were numerous Pulitzer Prize winners, CEOs past and present of Fortune 500 companies including F500 company founders, numerous Olympians, presidents of major academic institutions, U.S. ambassadors, et al.
And yes, your edit summaries were rather "brief." Understatement of the week. I did not add any "new" entries, by the way. I only restored entries that were inappropriately and carelessly deleted. I do agree many of the faculty members you deleted did not belong on the list, and a handful of others in other sections as well. Londonfifo ( talk) 19:09, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
If you were truly interested in enhancing the quality of this project, you would go back and begin creating articles for the handful of entries that do not yet have their own articles. If in following the references provided for each of the entries you discover any of them do not meet basic notability criteria, then by all means delete, but please provide justification in your notes. Broad-brush deletion of numerous entries without providing any explanation (worse than SHOUTING), especially when most of those entries OBVIOUSLY meet basic notability criteria under Wikipedia:Notability rules, qualifies as a destructive act, can rightfully be interpreted as vandalism, and is not in keeping with the collaborative and supportive spirit of this community. In short, notability tags, for example, would have been infinitely more appropriate than speedy deletion of so many list-worthy entries.
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This article might be getting to long. I've tried three times to update Steve DeBerg's listing and each time has resulted in a database error. Here's the text I intend to add:
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