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I removed Michael Mazin, who was at the very bottom of the list (allegedly born 1989). I think we need more substantial proof of notability for such names (or, I'm simply living in a box). Also, there are plenty of amateur composers born of X-descent. What makes the cut for being on this list? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chewieblue ( talk • contribs) 02:35, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
Given my edit summary and the fact that this elaboration was unnecessary, I have removed it. If you have any comments or arguments to make regarding this, please respond here. Classicalfan2 ( talk) 02:51, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
born in Tiflis, Imperial Russia (now Tbilisi, Georgia) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.235.30.51 ( talk) 03:41, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
Shouldn't there be one? Like alphabetical, chronological, importance, no. of spouses, anything, but this is a mess. Anapazapa ( talk) 00:22, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
To me it seems inappropriate to have "the five" as the first section as if they were indisputably on a different level of importance to the others. Surely to most people, one or more of Prokoviev, Rachmaninov, Tchaikovsky and Shostakovic would be included in the most important Russian composers. The simplest solution is to lead with the main list and add sections as wished, or else to have a less restricted first section (which is appropriate to a more specialised page). Elroch ( talk) 21:15, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
06:29, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
I have completed a major reform of the page, the main points of which I shall summarize and explain here. I won't be offended if it gets reverted, provided we can have a discussion here.
I have put The Five in with everyone else, since there is clearly no reason to separate them. I added lots of composers to the list. My working principle is that if someone has a Wikipedia page which mentions their composition, then they are notable enough for inclusion here, even if they are not primarily famous as a composer. I have not removed any composers who were previously in the list, but I have respelled some of their names to conform with their WP page.
I removed the little chatty descriptions of the composers. Although some of these were informative, many of these seemed to me problematic for one reason or another, and the general effect was unencyclopedic. Instead I have tried to note certain particular points: where the nationality/ethnicity is not Russian; where the person is primarily famous for something other than composing; and where composers are closely related to one another. All of these points raise their own issues, and I would be quite open to removing these descriptions altogether. (The List of German composers has none.)
I put some pictures down the right hand side, and will add more as the list grows longer. JBritnell ( talk) 05:25, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
I propose to merge Chronological list of Russian classical composers into List of Russian composers, but making the body of the article a sortable table. All composers from both lists would be included in the revised page. It would be a lot of work to create, and would represent a considerable change from present, so I would be keen to have the opinions of other editors before we go ahead. Ortho rhombic, 14:53, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
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Jean Sibelius is listed as russian. Nothing can be more Finnish and less russian than him. There’s nothing russian with Sibelius. 217.213.136.205 ( talk) 19:54, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
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I removed Michael Mazin, who was at the very bottom of the list (allegedly born 1989). I think we need more substantial proof of notability for such names (or, I'm simply living in a box). Also, there are plenty of amateur composers born of X-descent. What makes the cut for being on this list? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chewieblue ( talk • contribs) 02:35, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
Given my edit summary and the fact that this elaboration was unnecessary, I have removed it. If you have any comments or arguments to make regarding this, please respond here. Classicalfan2 ( talk) 02:51, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
born in Tiflis, Imperial Russia (now Tbilisi, Georgia) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.235.30.51 ( talk) 03:41, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
Shouldn't there be one? Like alphabetical, chronological, importance, no. of spouses, anything, but this is a mess. Anapazapa ( talk) 00:22, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
To me it seems inappropriate to have "the five" as the first section as if they were indisputably on a different level of importance to the others. Surely to most people, one or more of Prokoviev, Rachmaninov, Tchaikovsky and Shostakovic would be included in the most important Russian composers. The simplest solution is to lead with the main list and add sections as wished, or else to have a less restricted first section (which is appropriate to a more specialised page). Elroch ( talk) 21:15, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
06:29, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
I have completed a major reform of the page, the main points of which I shall summarize and explain here. I won't be offended if it gets reverted, provided we can have a discussion here.
I have put The Five in with everyone else, since there is clearly no reason to separate them. I added lots of composers to the list. My working principle is that if someone has a Wikipedia page which mentions their composition, then they are notable enough for inclusion here, even if they are not primarily famous as a composer. I have not removed any composers who were previously in the list, but I have respelled some of their names to conform with their WP page.
I removed the little chatty descriptions of the composers. Although some of these were informative, many of these seemed to me problematic for one reason or another, and the general effect was unencyclopedic. Instead I have tried to note certain particular points: where the nationality/ethnicity is not Russian; where the person is primarily famous for something other than composing; and where composers are closely related to one another. All of these points raise their own issues, and I would be quite open to removing these descriptions altogether. (The List of German composers has none.)
I put some pictures down the right hand side, and will add more as the list grows longer. JBritnell ( talk) 05:25, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
I propose to merge Chronological list of Russian classical composers into List of Russian composers, but making the body of the article a sortable table. All composers from both lists would be included in the revised page. It would be a lot of work to create, and would represent a considerable change from present, so I would be keen to have the opinions of other editors before we go ahead. Ortho rhombic, 14:53, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
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Jean Sibelius is listed as russian. Nothing can be more Finnish and less russian than him. There’s nothing russian with Sibelius. 217.213.136.205 ( talk) 19:54, 19 February 2024 (UTC)