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I've put some work into a more complete list of Rose species. This list shows (where I know) the subgenus and section for the species. It also lists synonyms and common names where I know them. Although this list is more complete than the one on the main Rose page, it's still not as complete as it might be - I'm still working on it. Additions are welcome (of course, that's the whole point of wikipedia). Since it's such a big change, I thought I'd put it on a separate page for now with a link from the Rose page. Question: Should it stay on a separate page (with the existing list removed) since it's gotten long or should I replace the existing list with this text? Henryhartley 18:25, Feb 5, 2005 (UTC)
I'll see what I can add, tho' I don't always have access to info on their subgeneric and sectional allocation. When all the species are allocated, perhaps the whole list could be listed taxonomically rather than alphabetically. A few points: (1) "Rosa banksiae normalis" - in botany, an indication of the rank of the infraspecific taxon must be given; I'm assuming variety, but if it is a subspecies, please change it; (2) I'm separating hybrids off to a discrete paragraph at the end. A lot of hybrids are inter-sectional and can't be allocated to a particular section. (3) the subgeneric and sectional names should be italicised (all ranks below genus are) - MPF 21:32, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I took the liberty of moving to standard name and putting in category with the other lists of this type. (The cat makes a useful resource to see what other people have done.) In general I think the main Rose article is most useful when it includes 5-10 of the "most important" species, the ones that people are most likely to be looking up, and then people can bounce to here to find the most comprehensive list online. At some point I'm going to succumb and make a parallel mega-list of cultivars, the online resources elsewhere are just terrible. But now I have to go transplant a Raphiolepis (hmm, need to create that I guess) to make room for bare roots that will be arriving any day now... Stan 22:23, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)
BTW, it's usual for list entries to only get about one line of descriptive material, basically enough for a couple key words/phrases. Otherwise it slows down scanning for a particular entry, because you can't see as much of the list at once, especially for people with small screens (and I have seen someone read WP on a PDA!). If you have as much as a paragraph on a species, it's time to give it its own article. Articles are also the better place to go into nomenclature disputes between growers and botanists :-), you have room for citations, etc. Stan 01:20, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Has this not now changed to R. wichurana? I haven't seen any botanical text stating this to be so, but in his 2006 - 2007 catalogue, UK rose grower Peter Beales (who holds the UK National Collection of Rosa species), states: "Irritatingly, after 160 or more years, to conform to the rules of the International Code of Nomenclature, the spelling of Rosa wichuraiana has been changed to wichurana. This makes every rose book written since 1834 inaccurate. What is wrong with precedent? This is pedantry gone mad!" I include the quote in its entirety as it is rather amusing - but I'm assuming that he isn't mistaken in the fact that R. wichuraiana is now R. wichurana? — Preceding unsigned comment added by PaleCloudedWhite ( talk • contribs) 22:24, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
I've managed to find an academic source on the subgeneras here. It does menation all the subgernea though it also mentions some disputes around it.
I think this will require further investigation. It will be great if we can add what we find here to the Rose wiki page as well as they also have teh subgenera requiring citation.
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I've put some work into a more complete list of Rose species. This list shows (where I know) the subgenus and section for the species. It also lists synonyms and common names where I know them. Although this list is more complete than the one on the main Rose page, it's still not as complete as it might be - I'm still working on it. Additions are welcome (of course, that's the whole point of wikipedia). Since it's such a big change, I thought I'd put it on a separate page for now with a link from the Rose page. Question: Should it stay on a separate page (with the existing list removed) since it's gotten long or should I replace the existing list with this text? Henryhartley 18:25, Feb 5, 2005 (UTC)
I'll see what I can add, tho' I don't always have access to info on their subgeneric and sectional allocation. When all the species are allocated, perhaps the whole list could be listed taxonomically rather than alphabetically. A few points: (1) "Rosa banksiae normalis" - in botany, an indication of the rank of the infraspecific taxon must be given; I'm assuming variety, but if it is a subspecies, please change it; (2) I'm separating hybrids off to a discrete paragraph at the end. A lot of hybrids are inter-sectional and can't be allocated to a particular section. (3) the subgeneric and sectional names should be italicised (all ranks below genus are) - MPF 21:32, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I took the liberty of moving to standard name and putting in category with the other lists of this type. (The cat makes a useful resource to see what other people have done.) In general I think the main Rose article is most useful when it includes 5-10 of the "most important" species, the ones that people are most likely to be looking up, and then people can bounce to here to find the most comprehensive list online. At some point I'm going to succumb and make a parallel mega-list of cultivars, the online resources elsewhere are just terrible. But now I have to go transplant a Raphiolepis (hmm, need to create that I guess) to make room for bare roots that will be arriving any day now... Stan 22:23, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)
BTW, it's usual for list entries to only get about one line of descriptive material, basically enough for a couple key words/phrases. Otherwise it slows down scanning for a particular entry, because you can't see as much of the list at once, especially for people with small screens (and I have seen someone read WP on a PDA!). If you have as much as a paragraph on a species, it's time to give it its own article. Articles are also the better place to go into nomenclature disputes between growers and botanists :-), you have room for citations, etc. Stan 01:20, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Has this not now changed to R. wichurana? I haven't seen any botanical text stating this to be so, but in his 2006 - 2007 catalogue, UK rose grower Peter Beales (who holds the UK National Collection of Rosa species), states: "Irritatingly, after 160 or more years, to conform to the rules of the International Code of Nomenclature, the spelling of Rosa wichuraiana has been changed to wichurana. This makes every rose book written since 1834 inaccurate. What is wrong with precedent? This is pedantry gone mad!" I include the quote in its entirety as it is rather amusing - but I'm assuming that he isn't mistaken in the fact that R. wichuraiana is now R. wichurana? — Preceding unsigned comment added by PaleCloudedWhite ( talk • contribs) 22:24, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
I've managed to find an academic source on the subgeneras here. It does menation all the subgernea though it also mentions some disputes around it.
I think this will require further investigation. It will be great if we can add what we find here to the Rose wiki page as well as they also have teh subgenera requiring citation.