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I've noticed a few Republican members on the Clinton endorsements page are not listed here. I don't have time at the moment to look for all of them, but there are at least four off the top of my head. Those and I who have edited that page have been adamant about putting a "Republican" after their name, so they should be easy to find. List of Hillary Clinton presidential campaign endorsements, 2016 -- MrVenaCava ( talk) 03:37, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
This article is very misleading. In some cases, the figures listed have indicated that they don't plan to endorse Trump; in others, they have indicated that they won't vote for Trump; in others, they have indicated that they will be voting for Clinton. Those are 3 very different positions, and the article makes no distinction between them.
Also, I wouldn't characterize a non-endorsement as opposition. CFredkin ( talk) 23:51, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
Dave Yost was just removed from this page, first without explanation, which was reverted, and then again with the above explanation. It would be nice if deletions also included a reference, but in any case, here’s one so we don’t keep going back and forth: [1] — Andy Anderson 14:03, 13 September 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by AndyAnderson ( talk • contribs)
It seems to me that if former GOP governor William Weld is listed for being on the Libertarian ticket, then former GOP governor Gary Johnson should be treated no differently. bd2412 T 15:35, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
Specifically thinking of Andrew Sullivan who hasn't endorsed a Republican Presidential candidate since 2000 by the look of it. ( Orson Scott Card and R. James Woolsey Jr. were on Democratic and liberal support for John McCain in 2008, but I don't know that I'd add them to List of Democrats opposing Hillary Clinton presidential campaign, 2016.)-- T. Anthony ( talk) 09:18, 8 October 2016 (UTC)
For Historical purposes, it seems appropriate to divide this based on what happened before and after the comments on October 7. Theoallen1 ( talk) 16:08, 8 October 2016 (UTC)
— 9 current Governors (was 4) — 17 current Senators (was 5) — 30 current Representatives (was 10) Theoallen1 ( talk) 14:40, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
This person was added to the list:
Shelley Moore Capito, West Virginia (2015–present) (withdrew endorsement)
with the reference
@frankthorp (October 8, 2016). "WV GOP @SenCapito: Trump should "reexamine his candidacy" ==>" ( Tweet) – via Twitter.
The reference is incorrect, she did *not* say that ”Trump should ’reexamine his candidacy’”. She said ”the appropriate next step may be for him to reexamine his candidacy”. This is not in any way a definite sign of opposition to Trump like the many others that have appeared here, it is essentially a criticism like many others we’ve seen in the past and haven’t led to their inclusion here.
I removed her and provided this justification, the removal was reverted without explanation — so please justify that, Zlassiter. — Andy Anderson 22:29, 8 October 2016 (UTC)
Should there be a link to the Newspaper endorsements in the United States presidential election, 2016 to look at all the Republican-leaning papers declining to support Trump? Therequiembellishere ( talk) 23:29, 8 October 2016 (UTC)
In the edit [3] Therequiembellishere says “[Calling for Withdrawing Candidacy] effective equates to a withdrawal of his endorsement”. I would argue that it does not equate, rather “Calling for Withdrawing Candidacy” is a stronger statement than simply “Withdrawing Endorsement”, it includes the latter but goes much farther in its effect. If the person listed in fact said the former, we should use that statement rather than changing it to the latter. — Andy Anderson 02:05, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
Would anyone mind if I adjust the heading structure to match that of List of Donald Trump presidential campaign endorsements, 2016? Parallel articles should have parallel structures, I think. – Philosopher Let us reason together. 05:17, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
I would disagree with calling anyone who was on a Trump advisory committee appointed by Trump who renounces him inappropriate to exclude. Being a Trump qualifies. Theoallen1 ( talk) 17:25, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
This is somewhat ridiculous. These are low-to-mid-level campaign staff who don't meet a shred of the notability criteria for their own pages beyond this one event, and inclusion is not a two-way street. They have to be notable in their own right. They aren't. When high-level staff (Kushner, Manafort, Lewandowski, Conaway's "unless...") and/or surrogates (Giulliani, Huckabee, Priebus, Pence, Hastert) disavow him, we'll have to negotiate where they go. But not if they should be here, because these figures obviously would be. Therequiembellishere ( talk) 05:47, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
I was asked by Andy A to give my thoughts on this subject (probably because of past edits), so I'll go ahead and give my primary view: anybody who fails WP:BLP1E doesn't deserve a spot on this page. Period. If they were previously notable before denouncing him (and not just for being a part of his campaign), that I can understand. But when you create a page for somebody solely for including them on this page, it should be pretty clear they don't deserve a spot on the list. Booyahhayoob ( talk) 17:41, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
Interesting reading at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Republicans opposing Donald Trump presidential campaign, 2016.
Great to see Wikipedia grappling with these issues.
69.50.70.9 ( talk) 21:48, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
I have been removing people from this list who have been announcing that they will vote for Donald Trump, notwithstanding the refusal to endorse Trump. Although support does not equal endorsement, the re-announcing of voting for Donald Trump means a candidate cannot oppose them and should be excluded from this list. Theoallen1 ( talk) 02:51, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
Just found this article for the first time. I see there has been lots of discussion but just offering another comment.
Though personally I find the list interesting and amusing, it is not all encyclopedic. As others have observed, the definition used to create the list is very broad and nebulous. The implication of this list is that all these people were one united front which is not at all true. The people on this list represent a very wide range of viewpoints regarding Trump. I would say that for this list to be at all meaningful the definition needs to be much more specific and ideally be restricted to people who meaningfully and actively opposed Trump (as opposed to people who perhaps just stated at some point that they were not voting for him and did not say much else).
Again, it is interesting to see a list of every major Republican who ever said they wouldn't vote for him but I would say that is more "fun" than "encylopedic".
-- MC — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.131.2.3 ( talk) 21:21, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
It would be nice if there was a total count of anti-DT Republicans in the first paragraph, along with a mention that these are ones that were made public, and there may be dozens others. It may also be educational to note that, by comparison, the number of Democratic personalities who publicly came out against Hillary Clinton, much less said they would vote for DT, are few and far between. Skaizun ( talk) 21:58, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
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I've noticed a few Republican members on the Clinton endorsements page are not listed here. I don't have time at the moment to look for all of them, but there are at least four off the top of my head. Those and I who have edited that page have been adamant about putting a "Republican" after their name, so they should be easy to find. List of Hillary Clinton presidential campaign endorsements, 2016 -- MrVenaCava ( talk) 03:37, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
This article is very misleading. In some cases, the figures listed have indicated that they don't plan to endorse Trump; in others, they have indicated that they won't vote for Trump; in others, they have indicated that they will be voting for Clinton. Those are 3 very different positions, and the article makes no distinction between them.
Also, I wouldn't characterize a non-endorsement as opposition. CFredkin ( talk) 23:51, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
Dave Yost was just removed from this page, first without explanation, which was reverted, and then again with the above explanation. It would be nice if deletions also included a reference, but in any case, here’s one so we don’t keep going back and forth: [1] — Andy Anderson 14:03, 13 September 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by AndyAnderson ( talk • contribs)
It seems to me that if former GOP governor William Weld is listed for being on the Libertarian ticket, then former GOP governor Gary Johnson should be treated no differently. bd2412 T 15:35, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
Specifically thinking of Andrew Sullivan who hasn't endorsed a Republican Presidential candidate since 2000 by the look of it. ( Orson Scott Card and R. James Woolsey Jr. were on Democratic and liberal support for John McCain in 2008, but I don't know that I'd add them to List of Democrats opposing Hillary Clinton presidential campaign, 2016.)-- T. Anthony ( talk) 09:18, 8 October 2016 (UTC)
For Historical purposes, it seems appropriate to divide this based on what happened before and after the comments on October 7. Theoallen1 ( talk) 16:08, 8 October 2016 (UTC)
— 9 current Governors (was 4) — 17 current Senators (was 5) — 30 current Representatives (was 10) Theoallen1 ( talk) 14:40, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
This person was added to the list:
Shelley Moore Capito, West Virginia (2015–present) (withdrew endorsement)
with the reference
@frankthorp (October 8, 2016). "WV GOP @SenCapito: Trump should "reexamine his candidacy" ==>" ( Tweet) – via Twitter.
The reference is incorrect, she did *not* say that ”Trump should ’reexamine his candidacy’”. She said ”the appropriate next step may be for him to reexamine his candidacy”. This is not in any way a definite sign of opposition to Trump like the many others that have appeared here, it is essentially a criticism like many others we’ve seen in the past and haven’t led to their inclusion here.
I removed her and provided this justification, the removal was reverted without explanation — so please justify that, Zlassiter. — Andy Anderson 22:29, 8 October 2016 (UTC)
Should there be a link to the Newspaper endorsements in the United States presidential election, 2016 to look at all the Republican-leaning papers declining to support Trump? Therequiembellishere ( talk) 23:29, 8 October 2016 (UTC)
In the edit [3] Therequiembellishere says “[Calling for Withdrawing Candidacy] effective equates to a withdrawal of his endorsement”. I would argue that it does not equate, rather “Calling for Withdrawing Candidacy” is a stronger statement than simply “Withdrawing Endorsement”, it includes the latter but goes much farther in its effect. If the person listed in fact said the former, we should use that statement rather than changing it to the latter. — Andy Anderson 02:05, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
Would anyone mind if I adjust the heading structure to match that of List of Donald Trump presidential campaign endorsements, 2016? Parallel articles should have parallel structures, I think. – Philosopher Let us reason together. 05:17, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
I would disagree with calling anyone who was on a Trump advisory committee appointed by Trump who renounces him inappropriate to exclude. Being a Trump qualifies. Theoallen1 ( talk) 17:25, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
This is somewhat ridiculous. These are low-to-mid-level campaign staff who don't meet a shred of the notability criteria for their own pages beyond this one event, and inclusion is not a two-way street. They have to be notable in their own right. They aren't. When high-level staff (Kushner, Manafort, Lewandowski, Conaway's "unless...") and/or surrogates (Giulliani, Huckabee, Priebus, Pence, Hastert) disavow him, we'll have to negotiate where they go. But not if they should be here, because these figures obviously would be. Therequiembellishere ( talk) 05:47, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
I was asked by Andy A to give my thoughts on this subject (probably because of past edits), so I'll go ahead and give my primary view: anybody who fails WP:BLP1E doesn't deserve a spot on this page. Period. If they were previously notable before denouncing him (and not just for being a part of his campaign), that I can understand. But when you create a page for somebody solely for including them on this page, it should be pretty clear they don't deserve a spot on the list. Booyahhayoob ( talk) 17:41, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
Interesting reading at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Republicans opposing Donald Trump presidential campaign, 2016.
Great to see Wikipedia grappling with these issues.
69.50.70.9 ( talk) 21:48, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
I have been removing people from this list who have been announcing that they will vote for Donald Trump, notwithstanding the refusal to endorse Trump. Although support does not equal endorsement, the re-announcing of voting for Donald Trump means a candidate cannot oppose them and should be excluded from this list. Theoallen1 ( talk) 02:51, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
Just found this article for the first time. I see there has been lots of discussion but just offering another comment.
Though personally I find the list interesting and amusing, it is not all encyclopedic. As others have observed, the definition used to create the list is very broad and nebulous. The implication of this list is that all these people were one united front which is not at all true. The people on this list represent a very wide range of viewpoints regarding Trump. I would say that for this list to be at all meaningful the definition needs to be much more specific and ideally be restricted to people who meaningfully and actively opposed Trump (as opposed to people who perhaps just stated at some point that they were not voting for him and did not say much else).
Again, it is interesting to see a list of every major Republican who ever said they wouldn't vote for him but I would say that is more "fun" than "encylopedic".
-- MC — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.131.2.3 ( talk) 21:21, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
It would be nice if there was a total count of anti-DT Republicans in the first paragraph, along with a mention that these are ones that were made public, and there may be dozens others. It may also be educational to note that, by comparison, the number of Democratic personalities who publicly came out against Hillary Clinton, much less said they would vote for DT, are few and far between. Skaizun ( talk) 21:58, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:List of Republicans who oppose the 2020 Donald Trump presidential campaign which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — RMCD bot 10:37, 4 October 2020 (UTC)