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Adding in a table now, which may be developed with pictures. Comparison to old list's links to any articles in progress.
The table's current Town/City column could be revised to classify Indianapolis locations by neighborhood. Is there a List of Indianapolis neighborhoods article and/or any official partition of the city? doncram ( talk) 18:13, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
Retrieved from " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Doncram":
Indianapolis has a place named just "Colonial". There is a DAB page for the word, to which it could be added. Or, there are LOTS of other NRHPs with colonial in the name, including Colonial Hotel, Colonial Theater, etc. Not sure how to handle this one. It's all yours. :) I will pipelink to Colonial (Indianapolis, Indiana). Lvklock (talk) 14:27, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
- Yeah, i don't understand those one-word Indianapolis items, Ambassador, Alexandra, Baker, Burton, Cathcart, Chadwick, Colonial, Dartmouth, Devonshire, Emelie, Glencoe, Grover, Harriet, Lodge, Martens, Massachusetts, McKay, Oldfields, Oldfields (2nd), Oxford, Pennsylvania, Plaza, Rink, Savoy, Shelton, Spink, Sylvania, and others (please check/add to this list). Perhaps they are apartment buildings? It seems the local NRHP officer left off "Apartment Building" or "Historic District" or something else of all them. Perhaps report all as effective errors, and/or ask for other information about all of them, in one report to the National Register? doncram (talk) 16:38, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
- Well, the ones alphabetically before Colonial, I just pipelinked/Dabbed, as normal. Some were already done. My issue with Colonial is how to DAB. So, my take is that we should copy this exchange onto the talk page and move on, while you may or may not want to do some sort of DAB for Colonial. But, if we're gonna meet the enildaed terces, we can't get bogged down with this. Lvklock (talk) 16:47, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
- Then let's list them all at the Marion county Talk page, and put a note in the Indiana state list Talk page and at NRIS info issues. I did create disambiguation for some of them, Glencoe included, but found that uncomfortable, asserting the notability of a redlink that looks like it is misnamed. Looking at them now as a group these all seem to be sort of wrong to foist upon all the disambiguation pages. Either a different name for each one should be established for wikipedia to use (adding "Apartment Building" perhaps) or a better explanation is needed for each disambiguation entry, or some other solution, to be found at some later time after some more can be known about these. So just use (City, State) disambiguation in the names, and don't bother adding to disambiguation pages, just list them in a batch to be addressed. doncram (talk) 17:00, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
- I checked Colonial and Pennsylvania, and both are listed as multiple dwelling, so the apartment buildings idea sounds reasonable. This looks like Pennsylvania, and this is incontrovertibly Colonial. Didn't look at the others, but I expect that they could be the same. Nyttend (talk) 17:51, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
(End of section retrieved from a user talkpage)
Further, the Indiana NRHP website system, lists these and others as 36 elements of "Apartments and Flats of Downtown Indianapolis", which must be a Multiple Property Submission. The 36 are:
NR-0616.01 National Register Alameda NR-0616.02 National Register Alexandra NR-0616.03 National Register Ambassador NR-0616.04 National Register Baker NR-0616.05 National Register Grover NR-0616.06 National Register Harriett NR-0616.07 National Register Blacherne NR-0616.08 National Register Burton NR-0616.09 National Register Cathcart NR-0616.10 National Register Dartmouth NR-0616.11 National Register Delaware Court NR-0616.12 National Register Delaware Flats NR-0616.13 National Register Devonshire NR-0616.14 National Register Emelie NR-0616.15 National Register Glencoe NR-0616.16 National Register Martens NR-0616.17 National Register Massachusetts Apartments NR-0616.18 National Register Mayleeno NR-0616.19 National Register Lodge NR-0616.20 National Register McKay NR-0616.21 National Register Rink NR-0616.22 National Register Savoy NR-0616.23 National Register Shelton NR-0616.24 National Register Sid-Mar NR-0616.26 National Register Pennsylvania NR-0616.27 National Register Plaza NR-0616.28 National Register Spink NR-0616.29 National Register Sylvania NR-0616.30 National Register Vienna NR-0616.31 National Register Wil-Fra-Mar NR-0616.32 National Register Wilson NR-0616.33 National Register Wyndham NR-0616.34 National Register Oxford NR-0616.35 National Register Colonial NR-0616.36 National Register Chadwick
So they are 36 apartment buildings, i guess. (To get to this list in Indiana system, follow instructions at wp:NRHP for accessing, and select Marion county and show all.) doncram ( talk) 23:54, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
Several months later now... It seems to me that all 36 should be given more descriptive names, perhaps prepending "The" or adding "Apartment Building" or "Flats". Actually, perhaps using the full spelled out names on pages 2 (and/or pages 3, 4) of the TR doc would be sufficient. These are as follows:
NRIS name Page 2 name ----- ----------- Alameda The Alameda Alexandra The Alexandra Ambassador The Ambassador Baker The Baker Grover The Grover Harriett The Harriett Blacherne The Blacherne Burton The Burton Cathcart The Cathcart Dartmouth The Dartmouth Delaware Court Delaware Court Delaware Flats Delaware Flats Devonshire The Devonshire Emelie The Emilie Glencoe The Glencoe Martens The Martens Massachusetts Apartments The Massachusetts Mayleeno The Mayleeno Lodge The Lodge McKay The McKay Rink The Rink (The Link) Savoy The Savoy Shelton The Shelton Sid-Mar The Sid-Mar Pennsylvania The Pennsylvania Plaza The Plaza Spink The Spink (Jefferson) Sylvania The Sylvania Vienna The Vienna Wil-Fra-Mar The Wil-Fra-Mar Wilson The Wilson Wyndham The Wyndham Oxford The Oxford Colonial The Colonial Chadwick The Chadwick --(none)-- The St. Clair --(none)-- The Myrtle Fern
I think using these Page 2 names would be better than the current NRIS names. I would suggest to the state and/or national levels that the NRIS names be changed. doncram ( talk) 06:03, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
Page 29-32 name Preferred name --------------- ----------- 1. Alameda The Alameda 2. Alexandra The Alexandra 3. Ambassador The Ambassador 4. Baker The Baker 5. Blacherne The Blacherne 6. Burton The Burton 7. Cathcart The Cathcart 8. Chadwick The Chadwick 9. Colonial The Colonial 10. Dartmouth The Dartmouth 11. Delaware Court Delaware Court 12. Delaware Flats Delaware Flats 13. Devonshire The Devonshire 14. Emelie The Emilie 15. Glencoe The Glencoe 16. Grover The Grover 17. Harriett The Harriett 18. Lodge The Lodge 19. Martens The Martens 20. Massachusetts The Massachusetts 21. Mayleeno The Mayleeno 22. McKay The McKay 23. Myrtle Fern The Myrtle Fern 24. Oxford The Oxford 25. Pennsylvania The Pennsylvania 26. Plaza The Plaza 27. Rink The Rink 28. Savoy The Savoy 29. Shelton The Shelton 30. Sid-Mar The Sid-Mar 31. Spink The Spink 32. St. Clair The St. Clair 33. Sylvania The Sylvania 34. Vienna The Vienna 35. Wil-Fra-Mar The Wil-Fra-Mar 36. Wilson The Wilson 37. Wyndham The Wyndham
I guess that's fine. I really don't know what any of these places are. How many of them already have articles? Reywas92 Talk 18:42, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the detailed discussion of this topic. I don't like changing names without evidence, but it looks like you've uncovered plenty of evidence that the NRIS official names are in error. I strongly support moving. Nyttend ( talk) 04:31, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
Fort Benjamin Harrison for Fort Benjamin Harrison Historic District Fort Benjamin Harrison for Fort Benjamin Harrison Historic District (Boundary Increase)
Lockerbie Square Historic District Lockerbie Square Historic District for Lockerbie Square Historic District Amendment (Boundary Increase)
Old Northside Historic District Northside Historic District for Northside Historic District (Boundary Increase), original seems to be "Old" while boundary increase omits that word
I notice some edits splitting and reversions re-merging this list-article. What's going on? Could we discuss the merits of possibly splitting, and how, here?
A recent splitting focussed on Center Township vs. others. Is there a map available (in Wikipedia or outside) which shows the boundaries of these townships? If a split along these lines is implemented, such a map should probably be included in the top-level article. But for now I would just like to understand what is the split proposal. doncram ( talk) 02:49, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
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Adding in a table now, which may be developed with pictures. Comparison to old list's links to any articles in progress.
The table's current Town/City column could be revised to classify Indianapolis locations by neighborhood. Is there a List of Indianapolis neighborhoods article and/or any official partition of the city? doncram ( talk) 18:13, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
Retrieved from " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Doncram":
Indianapolis has a place named just "Colonial". There is a DAB page for the word, to which it could be added. Or, there are LOTS of other NRHPs with colonial in the name, including Colonial Hotel, Colonial Theater, etc. Not sure how to handle this one. It's all yours. :) I will pipelink to Colonial (Indianapolis, Indiana). Lvklock (talk) 14:27, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
- Yeah, i don't understand those one-word Indianapolis items, Ambassador, Alexandra, Baker, Burton, Cathcart, Chadwick, Colonial, Dartmouth, Devonshire, Emelie, Glencoe, Grover, Harriet, Lodge, Martens, Massachusetts, McKay, Oldfields, Oldfields (2nd), Oxford, Pennsylvania, Plaza, Rink, Savoy, Shelton, Spink, Sylvania, and others (please check/add to this list). Perhaps they are apartment buildings? It seems the local NRHP officer left off "Apartment Building" or "Historic District" or something else of all them. Perhaps report all as effective errors, and/or ask for other information about all of them, in one report to the National Register? doncram (talk) 16:38, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
- Well, the ones alphabetically before Colonial, I just pipelinked/Dabbed, as normal. Some were already done. My issue with Colonial is how to DAB. So, my take is that we should copy this exchange onto the talk page and move on, while you may or may not want to do some sort of DAB for Colonial. But, if we're gonna meet the enildaed terces, we can't get bogged down with this. Lvklock (talk) 16:47, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
- Then let's list them all at the Marion county Talk page, and put a note in the Indiana state list Talk page and at NRIS info issues. I did create disambiguation for some of them, Glencoe included, but found that uncomfortable, asserting the notability of a redlink that looks like it is misnamed. Looking at them now as a group these all seem to be sort of wrong to foist upon all the disambiguation pages. Either a different name for each one should be established for wikipedia to use (adding "Apartment Building" perhaps) or a better explanation is needed for each disambiguation entry, or some other solution, to be found at some later time after some more can be known about these. So just use (City, State) disambiguation in the names, and don't bother adding to disambiguation pages, just list them in a batch to be addressed. doncram (talk) 17:00, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
- I checked Colonial and Pennsylvania, and both are listed as multiple dwelling, so the apartment buildings idea sounds reasonable. This looks like Pennsylvania, and this is incontrovertibly Colonial. Didn't look at the others, but I expect that they could be the same. Nyttend (talk) 17:51, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
(End of section retrieved from a user talkpage)
Further, the Indiana NRHP website system, lists these and others as 36 elements of "Apartments and Flats of Downtown Indianapolis", which must be a Multiple Property Submission. The 36 are:
NR-0616.01 National Register Alameda NR-0616.02 National Register Alexandra NR-0616.03 National Register Ambassador NR-0616.04 National Register Baker NR-0616.05 National Register Grover NR-0616.06 National Register Harriett NR-0616.07 National Register Blacherne NR-0616.08 National Register Burton NR-0616.09 National Register Cathcart NR-0616.10 National Register Dartmouth NR-0616.11 National Register Delaware Court NR-0616.12 National Register Delaware Flats NR-0616.13 National Register Devonshire NR-0616.14 National Register Emelie NR-0616.15 National Register Glencoe NR-0616.16 National Register Martens NR-0616.17 National Register Massachusetts Apartments NR-0616.18 National Register Mayleeno NR-0616.19 National Register Lodge NR-0616.20 National Register McKay NR-0616.21 National Register Rink NR-0616.22 National Register Savoy NR-0616.23 National Register Shelton NR-0616.24 National Register Sid-Mar NR-0616.26 National Register Pennsylvania NR-0616.27 National Register Plaza NR-0616.28 National Register Spink NR-0616.29 National Register Sylvania NR-0616.30 National Register Vienna NR-0616.31 National Register Wil-Fra-Mar NR-0616.32 National Register Wilson NR-0616.33 National Register Wyndham NR-0616.34 National Register Oxford NR-0616.35 National Register Colonial NR-0616.36 National Register Chadwick
So they are 36 apartment buildings, i guess. (To get to this list in Indiana system, follow instructions at wp:NRHP for accessing, and select Marion county and show all.) doncram ( talk) 23:54, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
Several months later now... It seems to me that all 36 should be given more descriptive names, perhaps prepending "The" or adding "Apartment Building" or "Flats". Actually, perhaps using the full spelled out names on pages 2 (and/or pages 3, 4) of the TR doc would be sufficient. These are as follows:
NRIS name Page 2 name ----- ----------- Alameda The Alameda Alexandra The Alexandra Ambassador The Ambassador Baker The Baker Grover The Grover Harriett The Harriett Blacherne The Blacherne Burton The Burton Cathcart The Cathcart Dartmouth The Dartmouth Delaware Court Delaware Court Delaware Flats Delaware Flats Devonshire The Devonshire Emelie The Emilie Glencoe The Glencoe Martens The Martens Massachusetts Apartments The Massachusetts Mayleeno The Mayleeno Lodge The Lodge McKay The McKay Rink The Rink (The Link) Savoy The Savoy Shelton The Shelton Sid-Mar The Sid-Mar Pennsylvania The Pennsylvania Plaza The Plaza Spink The Spink (Jefferson) Sylvania The Sylvania Vienna The Vienna Wil-Fra-Mar The Wil-Fra-Mar Wilson The Wilson Wyndham The Wyndham Oxford The Oxford Colonial The Colonial Chadwick The Chadwick --(none)-- The St. Clair --(none)-- The Myrtle Fern
I think using these Page 2 names would be better than the current NRIS names. I would suggest to the state and/or national levels that the NRIS names be changed. doncram ( talk) 06:03, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
Page 29-32 name Preferred name --------------- ----------- 1. Alameda The Alameda 2. Alexandra The Alexandra 3. Ambassador The Ambassador 4. Baker The Baker 5. Blacherne The Blacherne 6. Burton The Burton 7. Cathcart The Cathcart 8. Chadwick The Chadwick 9. Colonial The Colonial 10. Dartmouth The Dartmouth 11. Delaware Court Delaware Court 12. Delaware Flats Delaware Flats 13. Devonshire The Devonshire 14. Emelie The Emilie 15. Glencoe The Glencoe 16. Grover The Grover 17. Harriett The Harriett 18. Lodge The Lodge 19. Martens The Martens 20. Massachusetts The Massachusetts 21. Mayleeno The Mayleeno 22. McKay The McKay 23. Myrtle Fern The Myrtle Fern 24. Oxford The Oxford 25. Pennsylvania The Pennsylvania 26. Plaza The Plaza 27. Rink The Rink 28. Savoy The Savoy 29. Shelton The Shelton 30. Sid-Mar The Sid-Mar 31. Spink The Spink 32. St. Clair The St. Clair 33. Sylvania The Sylvania 34. Vienna The Vienna 35. Wil-Fra-Mar The Wil-Fra-Mar 36. Wilson The Wilson 37. Wyndham The Wyndham
I guess that's fine. I really don't know what any of these places are. How many of them already have articles? Reywas92 Talk 18:42, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the detailed discussion of this topic. I don't like changing names without evidence, but it looks like you've uncovered plenty of evidence that the NRIS official names are in error. I strongly support moving. Nyttend ( talk) 04:31, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
Fort Benjamin Harrison for Fort Benjamin Harrison Historic District Fort Benjamin Harrison for Fort Benjamin Harrison Historic District (Boundary Increase)
Lockerbie Square Historic District Lockerbie Square Historic District for Lockerbie Square Historic District Amendment (Boundary Increase)
Old Northside Historic District Northside Historic District for Northside Historic District (Boundary Increase), original seems to be "Old" while boundary increase omits that word
I notice some edits splitting and reversions re-merging this list-article. What's going on? Could we discuss the merits of possibly splitting, and how, here?
A recent splitting focussed on Center Township vs. others. Is there a map available (in Wikipedia or outside) which shows the boundaries of these townships? If a split along these lines is implemented, such a map should probably be included in the top-level article. But for now I would just like to understand what is the split proposal. doncram ( talk) 02:49, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
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