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I am in the process of reformatting this list to give more information about pilots without needing to create individual pages for all of them. I am using the following format for a table:
Name | Nationality | Sqn during Battle | Awards | Fate |
---|---|---|---|---|
Sqn | Surviving Aircrew | |||
Sqn | Died/KIA/MIA |
I will continue this process as I can. -- KizzyB ( talk) 16:16, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
As stated at the top of the article page, all the people on this list have received the Battle of Britain clasp to the 1939-45 medal. I think this is important to maintain that the people on the list must have been recipients of this clasp, otherwise there is no boundries for the names on the list. On the discussion whether it is meant to be a complete list, well I have put "interesting" people on the list - noteable RAF officers, foreign nationals, people who have died recently and have an online obituary. -- KizzyB ( talk) 10:21, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
Ummm..., these are threatening to become unweildy; one thought is to add a note in the introduction to the effect that potted biographies of selected pilots and aircrew can be found on the B of B Museum website - eg: Notes:
(for example Allcock would then look like this:)
Name | Rank | Nationality | Sqn during Battle | Awards | Notes |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
Allcock, Peter Owen Denys | Plt Off | British | 229 Sqn | Died of wounds 17 December 1941+ |
(continuing with something like:)
Hopefully, there is now no need to have repeated entrys of "Ramsay 1989, p.758." etc, and fewer footnotes will be needed overall; Alexander would look like this:
Name | Rank | Nationality | Sqn during Battle | Awards | Notes |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
Alexander, E A | Sgt | British | 236 Sqn |
And Allcock would look like this
Name | Rank | Nationality | Sqn during Battle | Awards | Notes |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
Allcock, Peter Owen Denys | Plt Off | British | 229 Sqn | Died of wounds 17 December 1941+ [1] |
These are just suggestions; any other thoughts as to how or whether this could be done? Minorhistorian ( talk) 23:28, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
Continuing with the inconsistent linking issue – similar to squadrons, non-British aircrew are also randomly linked. Every instance is linked in some sections while odd ones are linked in others. I suggest removing all links in the tables and adding a topnote on the lines of:
In addition to 2,353 British aircrew, the RAF Roll of Honour recognises 574 personnel from other countries; [2] namely:
Australia, Barbados, ... United States.
(see also: Non-British personnel in the RAF during the Battle of Britain)
Any thoughts? -- Red Sunset 21:57, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
My suggest for the layout
Name | Rank during Battle | Nationality | Sqn during Battle | Awards | Fate | Notes |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Yapp, D S | Plt Off | British | 245 & 253 Sqns | DFC | Surviving Aircrew | Retired as Sqn Ldr Derek Sydney Yapp, moved to Yorkshire |
I think that it should be Surname, Initials "Nickname" format in the Name box and if full name is known, put it in the Notes box. -- KizzyB ( talk) 10:28, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
Cheers! :D Up to and including M now tweaked plus those addressed by Milb1 – more tomorrow. As an example I've made the table for "M" sortable (enables ordering columns, and also highlights mistakes in "alphabetical" entries that can then be rectified). Any views on applying sortable tables throughout? -- Red Sunset 22:18, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
FANTASTIC WORK on the tables and the footnotes!! -- KizzyB ( talk) 00:33, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
Somebody querried if Robinson was British. He was the son of Australian-born Roy Robinson, 1st Baron Robinson and was born in Chelsea, London in 1916. The CWGC entry has Son of Roy Lister Robinson, 1st Baron Robinson of Kielder Forest and of Adelaide, and Lady Robinson, of Mayfair, London. MilborneOne ( talk) 12:05, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
I can't find any reference to this chap on the BoB Historical Society website [2] or the RAF BoB website [3]. Additionally, the Sqn he's marked down as flying with (5 Flight Training Sqn) isn't part of the List of officially accredited Battle of Britain squadrons. Are we sure he was awarded the Battle of Britain Clasp? -- KizzyB ( talk) 01:04, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
Still being a novice of sorts on Wikipedia, is there a way of making the "Notes on Awards" section in a smaller font? Just think it would look better. -- KizzyB ( talk) 22:01, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
Abbreviations
Notes on Awards
Award | Title | Notes |
---|---|---|
AE | Air Efficiency Award | Awarded for ten years' efficient service in the Royal Auxiliary Air Force |
AFC | Air Force Cross | Awarded for "an act or acts of valour, courage or devotion to duty whilst flying, though not in active operations against the enemy". |
CB | Companion in The Order of the Bath | Awarded at the monarch's pleasure |
CDeG | Croix de guerre | A military decoration of both France and Belgium, also commonly bestowed to foreign military forces allied to France and Belgium. |
CdeL | Croix de la Libération | A decoration of France awarded for very meritorious conduct with the Free French Forces during World War II. |
CdeLd'H | Croix de Légion d'honneur | A decoration of France awarded for excellent civil or military conduct delivered, upon official investigation. |
DFC | Distinguished Flying Cross | Awarded to Royal Air Force commissioned officers and Warrant Officers for "an act or acts of valour, courage or devotion to duty whilst flying in active operations against the enemy". |
DFC* | Distinguished Flying Cross and Bar | A bar is added to the ribbon for holders of the DFC who received a second award. |
DFC** | Distinguished Flying Cross and Bar | A second bar is added to the ribbon for holders of the DFC and Bar who received a third award. |
DFM | Distinguished Flying Medal | Awarded to military below commissioned rank, for "an act or acts of valour, courage or devotion to duty whilst flying in active operations against the enemy". |
DSO | Distinguished Service Order | Awarded for meritorious or distinguished service by officers of the armed forces during wartime, typically in actual combat. |
DSO* | Distinguished Service Order and Bar | A bar is added to the ribbon for holders of the DSO who received a second award. |
GCB | Knight Grand Cross of The Order of the Bath | Awarded at the monarch's pleasure |
KCVO | Knight Commander of the Royal Victorian Order | Awarded for personal service to the sovereign |
KStJ | Knight of the Order of Saint John | |
MBE | Member of the Order of the British Empire | Awarded at the monarch's pleasure |
MC | Military Cross | Awarded for "an act or acts of exemplary gallantry during active operations against the enemy on land to all members, of any rank". |
OBE | Officer of the Order of the British Empire | Awarded at the monarch's pleasure |
OStJ | Officer of the Order of Saint John | |
VC | Victoria Cross | Highest British military decoration, awarded for valour in the face of the enemy. |
VM | Virtuti Militari | Polish award for Military virtue |
Had another idea - have put the chaps (Y & Z only so far) who died during the Battle with their KIA/KIFA/MIA in bold to highlight them. -- KizzyB ( talk) 15:54, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
So far this is looking okay; however some changes could be considered to the layout; 1: Is this intended to be a list of all Aircrew involved in the Battle, or is it a list of Pilots? If it is the latter, it seems somewhat unfair as other aircrew fought during the B of B; to leave out, for example the gunners of the Defiant crews would be singularly unfair. If it is to be list of all pilots and aircrew the page name should be changed accordingly
2: List ranks after the name, rather than before.
3: So far this whole list is based on information from a website; as we all know the primary references used in Wikipedia are secondary Published sources. Because of this I have so far used Ramsay 1989 as the primary reference, followed by the website. The reflist is already becoming huge and will soon be unweildy. I recommend that website references be used only where they supplement information from published sources.
'Tis a big project and it certainly needs more input. Cheers! Minorhistorian ( talk) 23:11, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
1. All the name I added are all aircrew as the official list does not tell the difference. I have anotated non-pilots in the last column (and sgt pilots) if that info is available.
2. Perhaps in a different col but it is more usual to see names as rank/name format and the other way round might look odd.
3. All the names I have added recently have come from the official RAF website which must be the primary source over the amateur sites and reference documents. Any differences from the official website should be noted rather than differences from Ramsey's version I would suggest.
Still more to come and any help appreciated. Note that among the many that I have added are air gunners and wirless ops etc so I would not object to a change to List of RAF aircrew in the Battle of Britain. MilborneOne ( talk) 12:30, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
Name | Rank | Nationality | Sqn during Battle | Awards | Fate |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
Surname, A | Sqn | Surviving Aircrew | |||
Surname, B.C. | Sqn | Died/KIA/MIA |
Men of the Battle of Britain, Wynn, Kenneth G., CCB Associates, 1999 (2nd, 60th anniversary, edition), ISBN 1 902 074106 (there is as you might expect also a 1st edition, i don't have the ISBN to hand though). I don't have a copy, there is one in the library at The National Archives which I have access to, I seem to remember that there was also a typescript Air Ministry publication there, possibly a copy of what was used to make the original list of those eligible for the clasp in the 60s. David Underdown ( talk) 15:55, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
Spotted another one - I think this chap has been confused with JARRETT, Sgt R W E - Service No 56779. Jarrett, Sgt G W J who was KIA 3 April 1943 had Service No 27088. Is everyone happy for me to correct this change? -- KizzyB ( talk) 15:22, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
Not convinced this Czech pilot was BoB aircrew. -- KizzyB ( talk) 15:43, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
King, R removed as a misspelt duplicate of Kings, R A. -- KizzyB ( talk) 13:59, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
Can't find this Polish chap anywhere?!? -- KizzyB ( talk) 14:07, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
Can't find a reference that he was KIA. -- KizzyB ( talk) 14:12, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
Can't find any reference to him as BoB Aircrew. -- KizzyB ( talk) 15:00, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
Another one! -- KizzyB ( talk) 15:11, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
Can't find any record of this chap either. -- KizzyB ( talk) 15:21, 21 April 2009 (UTC) Found OMMANNEY, Sgt. R. J. 742538 British. 229 Squadron. Killed February 12th 1942** and this tallies with CWGC website - believe this to be same person, will deleted O'Manney R J. -- KizzyB ( talk) 15:28, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
Can't find reference to this chap being KIA. -- KizzyB ( talk) 15:35, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
No record of this chap being BoB Aircrew. -- KizzyB ( talk) 11:19, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
Can't find this chap on any lists on the web. Where did he appear from? -- KizzyB ( talk) 09:08, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
I think the blue highlighting for those KIA/MIA/WIA/WIFA during the Battle is excellent. I think this should be extended further - perhaps a different colour for 1. Surviving Aircrew, 2. Those KIA/MIA/WIA/WIFA after the Battle, but during WWII and 3. Those who died after WWII. I have no preference on colours. -- KizzyB ( talk) 17:27, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
Boyd, Adrian Hope; he is listed as a Flt Lt in Ramsay 1989, in spite of taking command of 145 Sqn on 8 August - would it be possible to find if he was promoted to Sqn Ldr or was he an acting C/O?
Canadians: A useful list of Canadian pilots can be found here: http://disc.yourwebapps.com/discussion.cgi?disc=105008;article=13620; New Zealanders: http://disc.yourwebapps.com/discussion.cgi?disc=105008;article=15128;
I have come across some other helpful sites, which have not been noted, but they do provide some useful information, with cross checking;
and this one: http://www.aviationmuseum.co.uk/p3518.htm
Please note that this person did not recieve the BoB clasp - as pointed out by Milbourne, was only 16 in 1940. CWGC link is [6]. It would appear that user 84.81.181.183 is adamant to add to the list. If you see this name added, please ensure that it is removed. I'm sure that WO Dawson did a stirling job, he just didn't fight in the BoB. -- KizzyB ( talk) 00:33, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
Not sure we need to have the service number unless we have two people with the same name, it is available from the linked bob sites. Not sure about Born and Died (Age) either perhaps a simple 1918-1941 would do we can always add age in the notes for MIA/KIAs. Not sure what an Offical Ace is either not a term I have seen before, I presume it means they are considered an Ace but I dont think that it ever had official recognition as such. Perhaps it just needs the word Ace, although it would be far more interesting to the list to known BoB Aces not Career Aces. MilborneOne ( talk) 17:15, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
Hello All! After a move from Wiltshire to Alberta Canada and surviving the first year of my son's life (sleep depreviation and teething!) and the coldest winter of my life -35 deg C isn't funny - I'm back and raring to go.
There's only a couple of months until the 70th Anniversary of the Battle of Britain and I'd like to try and get this list completed by then. I knew a few of the Few personally and sadly they're passing away pretty fast, so can I ask for your help to achieve this aim and honour these amazing men?
I'd like to dedicate my efforts and this list in the memory of Air Commodore Pete Brothers and his wonderful red socks.
Yours Aye, -- KizzyB ( talk) 07:59, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
This article is so large that I can't load it on Internet Explorer. Even if I use Firefox, the browser crashes. Please split it up into at least 3 articles ASAP.
Lamp301 ( talk) 04:51, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
Just a suggestion, but I think Peter Ayerst DFC and two other instructors [if there names can be found] should be added to this list as "honourary Few" and should be listed as. During the summer of 1940 as a instructor with 7 Operational Training Unit [OTU] at Hawarden, Cheshire, during the Battle of Britain August 14th to be exact, Peter intercepted and shared in the destruction of a Heinkel 111 with two other instructors. I know he did not serve with a Operational Squadron at the time so is not eligable for the official clasp , but he did take a active operational part in the Battle of Britain. Please consider adding him to the list with honourary "Few" next to his name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.249.33.137 ( talk) 18:22, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
While looking at books I found "Fighter Pilot's Summer" by Paul Richey who it described after fighting with 1 Sqn. in the Battle of France [recorded in "Fighter Pilot"] had served in the Battle of Britain being seriously wounded, to check if this was true I swung by your official list and his name is not recorded. I was wondering if you could find if he ever offically served in the Battle? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.249.33.137 ( talk) 01:40, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
Sorry I am quite new here and not used to quote Wiki articles, but may I mentionned that the list of veterans pilots miss the flying lieutenant de Selys Longchamp (known for strafing the Gestapo Building, Avenue Louise, in Brussels). KIA short after. If You miss info, I can ask a book from a friend of mine, and write an abstract about him. Thanx —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.67.126.164 ( talk) 17:11, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
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Archive 1 |
I am in the process of reformatting this list to give more information about pilots without needing to create individual pages for all of them. I am using the following format for a table:
Name | Nationality | Sqn during Battle | Awards | Fate |
---|---|---|---|---|
Sqn | Surviving Aircrew | |||
Sqn | Died/KIA/MIA |
I will continue this process as I can. -- KizzyB ( talk) 16:16, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
As stated at the top of the article page, all the people on this list have received the Battle of Britain clasp to the 1939-45 medal. I think this is important to maintain that the people on the list must have been recipients of this clasp, otherwise there is no boundries for the names on the list. On the discussion whether it is meant to be a complete list, well I have put "interesting" people on the list - noteable RAF officers, foreign nationals, people who have died recently and have an online obituary. -- KizzyB ( talk) 10:21, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
Ummm..., these are threatening to become unweildy; one thought is to add a note in the introduction to the effect that potted biographies of selected pilots and aircrew can be found on the B of B Museum website - eg: Notes:
(for example Allcock would then look like this:)
Name | Rank | Nationality | Sqn during Battle | Awards | Notes |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
Allcock, Peter Owen Denys | Plt Off | British | 229 Sqn | Died of wounds 17 December 1941+ |
(continuing with something like:)
Hopefully, there is now no need to have repeated entrys of "Ramsay 1989, p.758." etc, and fewer footnotes will be needed overall; Alexander would look like this:
Name | Rank | Nationality | Sqn during Battle | Awards | Notes |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
Alexander, E A | Sgt | British | 236 Sqn |
And Allcock would look like this
Name | Rank | Nationality | Sqn during Battle | Awards | Notes |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
Allcock, Peter Owen Denys | Plt Off | British | 229 Sqn | Died of wounds 17 December 1941+ [1] |
These are just suggestions; any other thoughts as to how or whether this could be done? Minorhistorian ( talk) 23:28, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
Continuing with the inconsistent linking issue – similar to squadrons, non-British aircrew are also randomly linked. Every instance is linked in some sections while odd ones are linked in others. I suggest removing all links in the tables and adding a topnote on the lines of:
In addition to 2,353 British aircrew, the RAF Roll of Honour recognises 574 personnel from other countries; [2] namely:
Australia, Barbados, ... United States.
(see also: Non-British personnel in the RAF during the Battle of Britain)
Any thoughts? -- Red Sunset 21:57, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
My suggest for the layout
Name | Rank during Battle | Nationality | Sqn during Battle | Awards | Fate | Notes |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Yapp, D S | Plt Off | British | 245 & 253 Sqns | DFC | Surviving Aircrew | Retired as Sqn Ldr Derek Sydney Yapp, moved to Yorkshire |
I think that it should be Surname, Initials "Nickname" format in the Name box and if full name is known, put it in the Notes box. -- KizzyB ( talk) 10:28, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
Cheers! :D Up to and including M now tweaked plus those addressed by Milb1 – more tomorrow. As an example I've made the table for "M" sortable (enables ordering columns, and also highlights mistakes in "alphabetical" entries that can then be rectified). Any views on applying sortable tables throughout? -- Red Sunset 22:18, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
FANTASTIC WORK on the tables and the footnotes!! -- KizzyB ( talk) 00:33, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
Somebody querried if Robinson was British. He was the son of Australian-born Roy Robinson, 1st Baron Robinson and was born in Chelsea, London in 1916. The CWGC entry has Son of Roy Lister Robinson, 1st Baron Robinson of Kielder Forest and of Adelaide, and Lady Robinson, of Mayfair, London. MilborneOne ( talk) 12:05, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
I can't find any reference to this chap on the BoB Historical Society website [2] or the RAF BoB website [3]. Additionally, the Sqn he's marked down as flying with (5 Flight Training Sqn) isn't part of the List of officially accredited Battle of Britain squadrons. Are we sure he was awarded the Battle of Britain Clasp? -- KizzyB ( talk) 01:04, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
Still being a novice of sorts on Wikipedia, is there a way of making the "Notes on Awards" section in a smaller font? Just think it would look better. -- KizzyB ( talk) 22:01, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
Abbreviations
Notes on Awards
Award | Title | Notes |
---|---|---|
AE | Air Efficiency Award | Awarded for ten years' efficient service in the Royal Auxiliary Air Force |
AFC | Air Force Cross | Awarded for "an act or acts of valour, courage or devotion to duty whilst flying, though not in active operations against the enemy". |
CB | Companion in The Order of the Bath | Awarded at the monarch's pleasure |
CDeG | Croix de guerre | A military decoration of both France and Belgium, also commonly bestowed to foreign military forces allied to France and Belgium. |
CdeL | Croix de la Libération | A decoration of France awarded for very meritorious conduct with the Free French Forces during World War II. |
CdeLd'H | Croix de Légion d'honneur | A decoration of France awarded for excellent civil or military conduct delivered, upon official investigation. |
DFC | Distinguished Flying Cross | Awarded to Royal Air Force commissioned officers and Warrant Officers for "an act or acts of valour, courage or devotion to duty whilst flying in active operations against the enemy". |
DFC* | Distinguished Flying Cross and Bar | A bar is added to the ribbon for holders of the DFC who received a second award. |
DFC** | Distinguished Flying Cross and Bar | A second bar is added to the ribbon for holders of the DFC and Bar who received a third award. |
DFM | Distinguished Flying Medal | Awarded to military below commissioned rank, for "an act or acts of valour, courage or devotion to duty whilst flying in active operations against the enemy". |
DSO | Distinguished Service Order | Awarded for meritorious or distinguished service by officers of the armed forces during wartime, typically in actual combat. |
DSO* | Distinguished Service Order and Bar | A bar is added to the ribbon for holders of the DSO who received a second award. |
GCB | Knight Grand Cross of The Order of the Bath | Awarded at the monarch's pleasure |
KCVO | Knight Commander of the Royal Victorian Order | Awarded for personal service to the sovereign |
KStJ | Knight of the Order of Saint John | |
MBE | Member of the Order of the British Empire | Awarded at the monarch's pleasure |
MC | Military Cross | Awarded for "an act or acts of exemplary gallantry during active operations against the enemy on land to all members, of any rank". |
OBE | Officer of the Order of the British Empire | Awarded at the monarch's pleasure |
OStJ | Officer of the Order of Saint John | |
VC | Victoria Cross | Highest British military decoration, awarded for valour in the face of the enemy. |
VM | Virtuti Militari | Polish award for Military virtue |
Had another idea - have put the chaps (Y & Z only so far) who died during the Battle with their KIA/KIFA/MIA in bold to highlight them. -- KizzyB ( talk) 15:54, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
So far this is looking okay; however some changes could be considered to the layout; 1: Is this intended to be a list of all Aircrew involved in the Battle, or is it a list of Pilots? If it is the latter, it seems somewhat unfair as other aircrew fought during the B of B; to leave out, for example the gunners of the Defiant crews would be singularly unfair. If it is to be list of all pilots and aircrew the page name should be changed accordingly
2: List ranks after the name, rather than before.
3: So far this whole list is based on information from a website; as we all know the primary references used in Wikipedia are secondary Published sources. Because of this I have so far used Ramsay 1989 as the primary reference, followed by the website. The reflist is already becoming huge and will soon be unweildy. I recommend that website references be used only where they supplement information from published sources.
'Tis a big project and it certainly needs more input. Cheers! Minorhistorian ( talk) 23:11, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
1. All the name I added are all aircrew as the official list does not tell the difference. I have anotated non-pilots in the last column (and sgt pilots) if that info is available.
2. Perhaps in a different col but it is more usual to see names as rank/name format and the other way round might look odd.
3. All the names I have added recently have come from the official RAF website which must be the primary source over the amateur sites and reference documents. Any differences from the official website should be noted rather than differences from Ramsey's version I would suggest.
Still more to come and any help appreciated. Note that among the many that I have added are air gunners and wirless ops etc so I would not object to a change to List of RAF aircrew in the Battle of Britain. MilborneOne ( talk) 12:30, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
Name | Rank | Nationality | Sqn during Battle | Awards | Fate |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
Surname, A | Sqn | Surviving Aircrew | |||
Surname, B.C. | Sqn | Died/KIA/MIA |
Men of the Battle of Britain, Wynn, Kenneth G., CCB Associates, 1999 (2nd, 60th anniversary, edition), ISBN 1 902 074106 (there is as you might expect also a 1st edition, i don't have the ISBN to hand though). I don't have a copy, there is one in the library at The National Archives which I have access to, I seem to remember that there was also a typescript Air Ministry publication there, possibly a copy of what was used to make the original list of those eligible for the clasp in the 60s. David Underdown ( talk) 15:55, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
Spotted another one - I think this chap has been confused with JARRETT, Sgt R W E - Service No 56779. Jarrett, Sgt G W J who was KIA 3 April 1943 had Service No 27088. Is everyone happy for me to correct this change? -- KizzyB ( talk) 15:22, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
Not convinced this Czech pilot was BoB aircrew. -- KizzyB ( talk) 15:43, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
King, R removed as a misspelt duplicate of Kings, R A. -- KizzyB ( talk) 13:59, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
Can't find this Polish chap anywhere?!? -- KizzyB ( talk) 14:07, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
Can't find a reference that he was KIA. -- KizzyB ( talk) 14:12, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
Can't find any reference to him as BoB Aircrew. -- KizzyB ( talk) 15:00, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
Another one! -- KizzyB ( talk) 15:11, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
Can't find any record of this chap either. -- KizzyB ( talk) 15:21, 21 April 2009 (UTC) Found OMMANNEY, Sgt. R. J. 742538 British. 229 Squadron. Killed February 12th 1942** and this tallies with CWGC website - believe this to be same person, will deleted O'Manney R J. -- KizzyB ( talk) 15:28, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
Can't find reference to this chap being KIA. -- KizzyB ( talk) 15:35, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
No record of this chap being BoB Aircrew. -- KizzyB ( talk) 11:19, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
Can't find this chap on any lists on the web. Where did he appear from? -- KizzyB ( talk) 09:08, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
I think the blue highlighting for those KIA/MIA/WIA/WIFA during the Battle is excellent. I think this should be extended further - perhaps a different colour for 1. Surviving Aircrew, 2. Those KIA/MIA/WIA/WIFA after the Battle, but during WWII and 3. Those who died after WWII. I have no preference on colours. -- KizzyB ( talk) 17:27, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
Boyd, Adrian Hope; he is listed as a Flt Lt in Ramsay 1989, in spite of taking command of 145 Sqn on 8 August - would it be possible to find if he was promoted to Sqn Ldr or was he an acting C/O?
Canadians: A useful list of Canadian pilots can be found here: http://disc.yourwebapps.com/discussion.cgi?disc=105008;article=13620; New Zealanders: http://disc.yourwebapps.com/discussion.cgi?disc=105008;article=15128;
I have come across some other helpful sites, which have not been noted, but they do provide some useful information, with cross checking;
and this one: http://www.aviationmuseum.co.uk/p3518.htm
Please note that this person did not recieve the BoB clasp - as pointed out by Milbourne, was only 16 in 1940. CWGC link is [6]. It would appear that user 84.81.181.183 is adamant to add to the list. If you see this name added, please ensure that it is removed. I'm sure that WO Dawson did a stirling job, he just didn't fight in the BoB. -- KizzyB ( talk) 00:33, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
Not sure we need to have the service number unless we have two people with the same name, it is available from the linked bob sites. Not sure about Born and Died (Age) either perhaps a simple 1918-1941 would do we can always add age in the notes for MIA/KIAs. Not sure what an Offical Ace is either not a term I have seen before, I presume it means they are considered an Ace but I dont think that it ever had official recognition as such. Perhaps it just needs the word Ace, although it would be far more interesting to the list to known BoB Aces not Career Aces. MilborneOne ( talk) 17:15, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
Hello All! After a move from Wiltshire to Alberta Canada and surviving the first year of my son's life (sleep depreviation and teething!) and the coldest winter of my life -35 deg C isn't funny - I'm back and raring to go.
There's only a couple of months until the 70th Anniversary of the Battle of Britain and I'd like to try and get this list completed by then. I knew a few of the Few personally and sadly they're passing away pretty fast, so can I ask for your help to achieve this aim and honour these amazing men?
I'd like to dedicate my efforts and this list in the memory of Air Commodore Pete Brothers and his wonderful red socks.
Yours Aye, -- KizzyB ( talk) 07:59, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
This article is so large that I can't load it on Internet Explorer. Even if I use Firefox, the browser crashes. Please split it up into at least 3 articles ASAP.
Lamp301 ( talk) 04:51, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
Just a suggestion, but I think Peter Ayerst DFC and two other instructors [if there names can be found] should be added to this list as "honourary Few" and should be listed as. During the summer of 1940 as a instructor with 7 Operational Training Unit [OTU] at Hawarden, Cheshire, during the Battle of Britain August 14th to be exact, Peter intercepted and shared in the destruction of a Heinkel 111 with two other instructors. I know he did not serve with a Operational Squadron at the time so is not eligable for the official clasp , but he did take a active operational part in the Battle of Britain. Please consider adding him to the list with honourary "Few" next to his name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.249.33.137 ( talk) 18:22, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
While looking at books I found "Fighter Pilot's Summer" by Paul Richey who it described after fighting with 1 Sqn. in the Battle of France [recorded in "Fighter Pilot"] had served in the Battle of Britain being seriously wounded, to check if this was true I swung by your official list and his name is not recorded. I was wondering if you could find if he ever offically served in the Battle? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.249.33.137 ( talk) 01:40, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
Sorry I am quite new here and not used to quote Wiki articles, but may I mentionned that the list of veterans pilots miss the flying lieutenant de Selys Longchamp (known for strafing the Gestapo Building, Avenue Louise, in Brussels). KIA short after. If You miss info, I can ask a book from a friend of mine, and write an abstract about him. Thanx —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.67.126.164 ( talk) 17:11, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
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