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I was just wondering, how do you pronounce "Passyunk"? - 68.199.100.109 , 20:10, 7 August 2005
It's "PASS-shunk". Thunderbunny 06:33, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
I re-worked the list a bit, adding in some places, moving others and renaming some. The information that i used is based on these three links [1], [2], [3], and an ADC map of the city. I didn't include everything listed, and combined other places together, if you see anything out of wack feel free to make the changes as needed. -- Boothy443 | comhrÚ 07:22, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
I'd like to add the name "Gayborhood" under the name Washington Square West. It's the same place, and everyone in Philly calls it that. What do you think? Eagleapex 02:03, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
Looky here: Official "gayborhood" street signs mentioned in the citypaper blog. I'm looking for another source. But I think Gayborhood should be included. Eagleapex 23:34, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
The cities official list of neighborhoods can be found here:
http://www.phila.gov/phils/Docs/otherinfo/pname2.htm evrik 20:19, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
"are taken from Philadelphia Almanac and Citizens' Manual which was edited by Kenneth Finkel and published by the Library Company of Philadelphia in 1994 and 1995. It has been augmented by the staff of the Philadelphia City Archives." "The 1994 edition of this book contained 389 different names of various neighborhoods throughout the city of Philadelphia from the earliest days of Swedish occupation to the present. The following year, an additional six names were added to bring the list to 395. This list is being augmented yet again by the Philadelphia City Archives with names of neighborhoods, redevelopment areas, and other place names which have been assigned officially or unofficially to certain areas of the city. It is interesting to see the dynamics of neighborhood naming in over 350 years of occupation of the 129 square miles which comprise Philadelphia by the Native Americans, the Swedes, the English and German pioneers, and later and current Philadelphians."
-- Boothy443 | trácht ar 20:34, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
They are based upon census tracks, and like sensus tracks it is not uncommon for an Empowerment Zone to encompass several neighborhoods, either in whole or in part. Same goes for Enterprise Zones, Wards, Council districts, zip codes, no of which are specific neighborhoods nor do they desiginate official neighborhoods. The only information that is used id the planning distrctis, which are broad areas, which are used in the list to break the areras down. SOi'll stick with my sources, while you try to pull more ut of the air. -- Boothy443 | trácht ar 22:26, 8 November 2005 (UTC)The Empowerment Zone (EZ) is a federally funded community development and economic revitalization initiative. The EZ designation provides localities with a federal grant and a set of tax and financing incentives to improve public safety, advance human development, create a welcoming environment and invigorate commerce
I requested mediation here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mediation_Cabal#Philadelphia_County_and_other_Philadelphia_Pages
Okay, I'm going to kick over the anthill and say it: this list relies too heavily on original research. Yes, neighborhoods in Philadelphia are social constructs and not official or legal entities, but in general we should be trying to hold to only listing neighborhoods which have been mentioned elsewhere in reliable sources. Now, the good news is that it shouldn't be too hard to come up with such sources; Philadelphia is a much-written-about city, and there should be at least passing mentions in various printed materials, books, newspapers, maps, etc. But we shouldn't let this list bloat out with unsourced material. It might mean having to find sources for things "everybody knows", but we'll have a better article for it. — CComMack ( t– c) 20:26, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
Maps showing the details of individual neighborhoods inside the larger sectors would be very helpful. -- Beland 22:20, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
Are Fishtown and "Greater Kensington" in the Northeast or North Philly section? Fishtown is listed in both. Greater Kensington is listed in the northeast, but Olde K. and West K. are listed in North Philly. Are they not also part of "Greater Kensington"? My hunch is that they should all be moved to the North Philly section. -- Austin Murphy ( talk) 18:50, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
My feeling is that anything east of Front St. and south of Pennypack is in the lower northeast and everything north of Pennypack is the far northeast. The PCPC separates it from North Philly along Front/Frankford/Tacony Creek and lists Fishtown, Bridesburg and Port Richmond as an area distinct from North Philly and the Northeast. The way I look at it is that the area east of Front St./Kensington Ave. is on a different grid with a different numbering system and has streets with the "east" designation. I wouldn't call it North Philly. 68.81.71.129 ( talk) 15:48, 8 May 2008 (UTC) JR
This list that is cited everywhere is really the pits. It seems to be highly inaccurate. It gets really specific on dates and borders, but the ones I feel comfortable judging seem way off. Like Grays Ferry having been invented in the 1970's when the actual ferry is from the revolution era. I suggest being very careful with this list and not taking it as anything close to authoritative. -- Austin Murphy ( talk) 20:48, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
- Mdsummermsw ( talk) 16:03, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
The picture of "Rowhouses in Cedar Park" is mislabeled. The houses are semi-detached and thus "twins" not "rowhouses". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.81.71.129 ( talk) 15:24, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
Since the article for the city is located at Philadelphia, and not Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, is there any reason as to why the neighborhood articles follow a Neighborhood, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania format instead of a Neighborhood, Philadelphia format? Eco84 | Talk 18:09, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
Hi, the border between South Philadelphia and Center City is Lombard Street. It is an urban legend, easily perpetrated, that South Street is this border but it is not. Consult historical records and you'll see that Lombard is the border. If you want a source you can easily see yourself, see the Queen Village and Society Hill informational sign in person at Headhouse Square at the corner of 2nd and Lombard in Phila, across from the TD Bank.
Thanks
-- Ajsphila ( talk) 01:48, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
I think that it would be useful to put the map of Philadelphia County municipalities prior to consolidation for historical reference. Seeing that there is no space to put this in the article, I'll leave a link to it here until expansion of this article warrants its inclusion: File:PhilaCnty1854.png. -- Apollo1758 ( talk) 17:21, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
Right now, this article relies on the old "Planning Analysis Sections" used by the Philadelphia City Planning Commission during the Street administration to sort out where the various neighborhoods are located.
The current Planning Commission has discarded those in favor of new "Planning Districts." These were used for the new "Philadelphia2035" comprehensive city plan adopted in 2010 and the district plans being drawn up under it.
There are some major changes with the new districts. The Central planning district, for instance, encompasses not only Center City but also the adjacent North and South Philadelphia neighborhoods that have undergone significant redevelopment ("gentrification") since the 1990s; that district's boundaries now stretch from roughly Girard Avenue on the north to Washington Avenue on the south, and the Center City District also uses these boundaries when publishing data on "greater Center City". The River Wards have been broken out into their own section, and Northeast, North, Northwest, West, Southwest and South Philadelphia have all been divided into sections.
Given how recent these changes are, I realize some may disagree with my call here, but I think the new districts do provide some more clarity of definition than the old ones did, especially when it comes to the River Wards, which had been subsumed into "Kensington" in the Planning Analysis Sections. What say you all? Marketstel ( talk) 14:42, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
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I was just wondering, how do you pronounce "Passyunk"? - 68.199.100.109 , 20:10, 7 August 2005
It's "PASS-shunk". Thunderbunny 06:33, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
I re-worked the list a bit, adding in some places, moving others and renaming some. The information that i used is based on these three links [1], [2], [3], and an ADC map of the city. I didn't include everything listed, and combined other places together, if you see anything out of wack feel free to make the changes as needed. -- Boothy443 | comhrÚ 07:22, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
I'd like to add the name "Gayborhood" under the name Washington Square West. It's the same place, and everyone in Philly calls it that. What do you think? Eagleapex 02:03, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
Looky here: Official "gayborhood" street signs mentioned in the citypaper blog. I'm looking for another source. But I think Gayborhood should be included. Eagleapex 23:34, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
The cities official list of neighborhoods can be found here:
http://www.phila.gov/phils/Docs/otherinfo/pname2.htm evrik 20:19, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
"are taken from Philadelphia Almanac and Citizens' Manual which was edited by Kenneth Finkel and published by the Library Company of Philadelphia in 1994 and 1995. It has been augmented by the staff of the Philadelphia City Archives." "The 1994 edition of this book contained 389 different names of various neighborhoods throughout the city of Philadelphia from the earliest days of Swedish occupation to the present. The following year, an additional six names were added to bring the list to 395. This list is being augmented yet again by the Philadelphia City Archives with names of neighborhoods, redevelopment areas, and other place names which have been assigned officially or unofficially to certain areas of the city. It is interesting to see the dynamics of neighborhood naming in over 350 years of occupation of the 129 square miles which comprise Philadelphia by the Native Americans, the Swedes, the English and German pioneers, and later and current Philadelphians."
-- Boothy443 | trácht ar 20:34, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
They are based upon census tracks, and like sensus tracks it is not uncommon for an Empowerment Zone to encompass several neighborhoods, either in whole or in part. Same goes for Enterprise Zones, Wards, Council districts, zip codes, no of which are specific neighborhoods nor do they desiginate official neighborhoods. The only information that is used id the planning distrctis, which are broad areas, which are used in the list to break the areras down. SOi'll stick with my sources, while you try to pull more ut of the air. -- Boothy443 | trácht ar 22:26, 8 November 2005 (UTC)The Empowerment Zone (EZ) is a federally funded community development and economic revitalization initiative. The EZ designation provides localities with a federal grant and a set of tax and financing incentives to improve public safety, advance human development, create a welcoming environment and invigorate commerce
I requested mediation here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mediation_Cabal#Philadelphia_County_and_other_Philadelphia_Pages
Okay, I'm going to kick over the anthill and say it: this list relies too heavily on original research. Yes, neighborhoods in Philadelphia are social constructs and not official or legal entities, but in general we should be trying to hold to only listing neighborhoods which have been mentioned elsewhere in reliable sources. Now, the good news is that it shouldn't be too hard to come up with such sources; Philadelphia is a much-written-about city, and there should be at least passing mentions in various printed materials, books, newspapers, maps, etc. But we shouldn't let this list bloat out with unsourced material. It might mean having to find sources for things "everybody knows", but we'll have a better article for it. — CComMack ( t– c) 20:26, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
Maps showing the details of individual neighborhoods inside the larger sectors would be very helpful. -- Beland 22:20, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
Are Fishtown and "Greater Kensington" in the Northeast or North Philly section? Fishtown is listed in both. Greater Kensington is listed in the northeast, but Olde K. and West K. are listed in North Philly. Are they not also part of "Greater Kensington"? My hunch is that they should all be moved to the North Philly section. -- Austin Murphy ( talk) 18:50, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
My feeling is that anything east of Front St. and south of Pennypack is in the lower northeast and everything north of Pennypack is the far northeast. The PCPC separates it from North Philly along Front/Frankford/Tacony Creek and lists Fishtown, Bridesburg and Port Richmond as an area distinct from North Philly and the Northeast. The way I look at it is that the area east of Front St./Kensington Ave. is on a different grid with a different numbering system and has streets with the "east" designation. I wouldn't call it North Philly. 68.81.71.129 ( talk) 15:48, 8 May 2008 (UTC) JR
This list that is cited everywhere is really the pits. It seems to be highly inaccurate. It gets really specific on dates and borders, but the ones I feel comfortable judging seem way off. Like Grays Ferry having been invented in the 1970's when the actual ferry is from the revolution era. I suggest being very careful with this list and not taking it as anything close to authoritative. -- Austin Murphy ( talk) 20:48, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
- Mdsummermsw ( talk) 16:03, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
The picture of "Rowhouses in Cedar Park" is mislabeled. The houses are semi-detached and thus "twins" not "rowhouses". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.81.71.129 ( talk) 15:24, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
Since the article for the city is located at Philadelphia, and not Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, is there any reason as to why the neighborhood articles follow a Neighborhood, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania format instead of a Neighborhood, Philadelphia format? Eco84 | Talk 18:09, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
Hi, the border between South Philadelphia and Center City is Lombard Street. It is an urban legend, easily perpetrated, that South Street is this border but it is not. Consult historical records and you'll see that Lombard is the border. If you want a source you can easily see yourself, see the Queen Village and Society Hill informational sign in person at Headhouse Square at the corner of 2nd and Lombard in Phila, across from the TD Bank.
Thanks
-- Ajsphila ( talk) 01:48, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
I think that it would be useful to put the map of Philadelphia County municipalities prior to consolidation for historical reference. Seeing that there is no space to put this in the article, I'll leave a link to it here until expansion of this article warrants its inclusion: File:PhilaCnty1854.png. -- Apollo1758 ( talk) 17:21, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
Right now, this article relies on the old "Planning Analysis Sections" used by the Philadelphia City Planning Commission during the Street administration to sort out where the various neighborhoods are located.
The current Planning Commission has discarded those in favor of new "Planning Districts." These were used for the new "Philadelphia2035" comprehensive city plan adopted in 2010 and the district plans being drawn up under it.
There are some major changes with the new districts. The Central planning district, for instance, encompasses not only Center City but also the adjacent North and South Philadelphia neighborhoods that have undergone significant redevelopment ("gentrification") since the 1990s; that district's boundaries now stretch from roughly Girard Avenue on the north to Washington Avenue on the south, and the Center City District also uses these boundaries when publishing data on "greater Center City". The River Wards have been broken out into their own section, and Northeast, North, Northwest, West, Southwest and South Philadelphia have all been divided into sections.
Given how recent these changes are, I realize some may disagree with my call here, but I think the new districts do provide some more clarity of definition than the old ones did, especially when it comes to the River Wards, which had been subsumed into "Kensington" in the Planning Analysis Sections. What say you all? Marketstel ( talk) 14:42, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
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