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July is a mess, in every sense. I think we ought to make a table. We might want to make a table for each month. So far my stab at this looks like:
Date | Rockets Fired | Rockets Impacts in Israel | Note |
---|---|---|---|
DATE | FIRED | IMPACT | NOTE |
DATE | FIRED | IMPACT | NOTE |
DATE | FIRED | IMPACT | NOTE |
Once Eid starts and I have some time, I will finish this and put it into the article. Paul, in Saudi ( talk) 09:04, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
No report from the IDF spokesman on Twitter for some reason. Anyone have figures for yesterday? I shall try to update this table for the last few days of July, then I shall give up. The numbers simply do not add up. There does not seem to be a definitive listing of these attack. Certainly this page does not meet that standard. Kind of a shame as it would be an interesting bit of data to have. Paul, in Saudi ( talk) 16:13, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
I like the idea of this page, but I do not like the execution. First off course are the many English errors in the narrative sections. Time will fix that, when emotions have cooled. But more important is the lack of authoritative numbers. We say (and cite) that X numbers of rockets fell. Then we provide a narrative that accounts for some, but not all of those attacks, Surely there must be an official listing someplace. Frankly a single table or even a single chart might be better. Once we condense this information into a single graphic, we then have to consider if such a limited scope listing is even worth an article. Now we are busy, but soon enough the pace will slow (or the year will end). We can do something then, but we ought to think about our next steps now. Your thoughts? Paul, in Saudi ( talk) 13:36, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
I appreciate the new table. I suppose the whole article can be replaced by sch a table. But it does lose the cites, which seem important when dealing with such an emotional subject. Paul, in Saudi ( talk) 07:30, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
In every single month from January to June the numbers of rockets and mortars quoted in the summary table and/or the detailed text are different from those provided in the cited sources. Unless an explanation can be provided, I would consider it imperative to have the text of the article reflect the sources accurately. Erictheenquirer ( talk) 16:25, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
I merged the text and table from july and expanded the table. I completed the values and sources for 1 July. That's about 1% of the work, I know. But I had to start somewhere. Check out how the sources are grouped together so its easier to add the numbers from different articles (at least for the first couple of days, then we use NYT day by day death toll.).-- Neo139 ( talk) 06:36, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
This article is called "List of Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel, 2014" not "List of Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel and retaliation against those rockets by Israel, 2014". Knightmare72589 ( talk) 01:59, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
It seems this entry also talks about attacks on the part of Israel, since it reports some actions (bombardments, operations) carried on by Israel (one is defined "in response") while remands to the entry of operation "Protective Edge". So the reader assumes it would report Israeli action as well, otherwise the picture and timeline of events provided would be partial and thus potentially misleading.
However, I can see some relevant Israeli actions are missing from the timeline. I detect at least two important violent operations: on June 11, Israel carried on a missile attack killing one senior member of Hamas (unarmed in that moment) as an extra-judicial execution and severely wounding three civilians; on June 13 Israel carried on a massive air strike on multiple target in 12 different locations against reportedly "concealed missile launchers", which not yet been operated by Hamas. Those actions are not reported by the timeline. Given the subject, it should be fixed. Aki 001 ( talk) 02:37, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
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July is a mess, in every sense. I think we ought to make a table. We might want to make a table for each month. So far my stab at this looks like:
Date | Rockets Fired | Rockets Impacts in Israel | Note |
---|---|---|---|
DATE | FIRED | IMPACT | NOTE |
DATE | FIRED | IMPACT | NOTE |
DATE | FIRED | IMPACT | NOTE |
Once Eid starts and I have some time, I will finish this and put it into the article. Paul, in Saudi ( talk) 09:04, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
No report from the IDF spokesman on Twitter for some reason. Anyone have figures for yesterday? I shall try to update this table for the last few days of July, then I shall give up. The numbers simply do not add up. There does not seem to be a definitive listing of these attack. Certainly this page does not meet that standard. Kind of a shame as it would be an interesting bit of data to have. Paul, in Saudi ( talk) 16:13, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
I like the idea of this page, but I do not like the execution. First off course are the many English errors in the narrative sections. Time will fix that, when emotions have cooled. But more important is the lack of authoritative numbers. We say (and cite) that X numbers of rockets fell. Then we provide a narrative that accounts for some, but not all of those attacks, Surely there must be an official listing someplace. Frankly a single table or even a single chart might be better. Once we condense this information into a single graphic, we then have to consider if such a limited scope listing is even worth an article. Now we are busy, but soon enough the pace will slow (or the year will end). We can do something then, but we ought to think about our next steps now. Your thoughts? Paul, in Saudi ( talk) 13:36, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
I appreciate the new table. I suppose the whole article can be replaced by sch a table. But it does lose the cites, which seem important when dealing with such an emotional subject. Paul, in Saudi ( talk) 07:30, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
In every single month from January to June the numbers of rockets and mortars quoted in the summary table and/or the detailed text are different from those provided in the cited sources. Unless an explanation can be provided, I would consider it imperative to have the text of the article reflect the sources accurately. Erictheenquirer ( talk) 16:25, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
I merged the text and table from july and expanded the table. I completed the values and sources for 1 July. That's about 1% of the work, I know. But I had to start somewhere. Check out how the sources are grouped together so its easier to add the numbers from different articles (at least for the first couple of days, then we use NYT day by day death toll.).-- Neo139 ( talk) 06:36, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
This article is called "List of Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel, 2014" not "List of Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel and retaliation against those rockets by Israel, 2014". Knightmare72589 ( talk) 01:59, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
It seems this entry also talks about attacks on the part of Israel, since it reports some actions (bombardments, operations) carried on by Israel (one is defined "in response") while remands to the entry of operation "Protective Edge". So the reader assumes it would report Israeli action as well, otherwise the picture and timeline of events provided would be partial and thus potentially misleading.
However, I can see some relevant Israeli actions are missing from the timeline. I detect at least two important violent operations: on June 11, Israel carried on a missile attack killing one senior member of Hamas (unarmed in that moment) as an extra-judicial execution and severely wounding three civilians; on June 13 Israel carried on a massive air strike on multiple target in 12 different locations against reportedly "concealed missile launchers", which not yet been operated by Hamas. Those actions are not reported by the timeline. Given the subject, it should be fixed. Aki 001 ( talk) 02:37, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
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