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I removed this information from Qassam rocket, where this list was cluttering an already too-detailed article. I question whether this detailed list belongs in Wikipedia at all. It looks like an attempt to memorialize the victims or emphasize the effect of this weapon's employment.
What is a "notable" rocket attack; does it have to meet Wikipedia:Notability criteria? See also Wikipedia:List guideline. — Michael Z. 2006-07-25 02:03 Z
Seems like a perfectly good set of criteria to get rid of the non-notable events. Comments? Erictheenquirer ( talk) 07:13, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
The inclusion of the Israeli security zone in Lebanon as the "immediate context for the attacks" and the failure of the Camp David talks cannot be correct because it is very clearly not "immediate". This is an article about Qassams which started to be fired in October 2001, "immediately" following the outbreak of the Second Intifada. It is also not made clear what the Security Zone in Lebanon has to do with Qassams from Gaza, or how the failure of the Camp David talks led to the beginning of the rocket attacks almost a year and a half later, in the description of these events as the immediate context. Nor does this appear to be the position of any neutral commentator or any other encylopedia. See, e.g. http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Qassam-rocket or http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/para/hamas-qassam.htm. Nor has a single source been cited with respect to this position. Directionless ( talk) 07:27, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
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This is an article about Qassam rocket attacks. If someone wants to move it to a page about Qassams and mortars, then they should do so, failing which, the information about mortars and their fatality or casualty statistics is irrelevant to this page. Directionless ( talk) 07:28, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
I recommend we ReTitle This Article List of Rocket and Morter Attacks in Israel. This is in keeping with the other Articles in this series (See Below). I can then add back in the Morter attacks that were deleted:
2008 Main article: List of rocket and mortar attacks in Israel in 2008
[edit] 2009 Main article: List of rocket and mortar attacks in Israel in 2009
ITBlair ( talk) 03:17, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
Just a note that I have been coming here for information on anything fired from Gaza to Israel. If someone were to fire off a piece of scrap metal and aim it towards Israel, I would come here to learn more about it. I would not mind at all if this article were to expand its scope and reflect that broadened scope in its title. PinkWorld ( talk) 10:08, 10 January 2009 (UTC)Pink
ReTitled the Article to be in keeping with the rest of Series. Will start to Add back Mortar attacks. ITBlair ( talk) 14:34, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
I have just undone an edit which removed a large portion of the list. The author who snipped large portions of the list did so under the premise that certain incidents did not merit inclusion or that the present selection demonstrated POV. To the contrary, choosing which articles to include and which articles not to include automatically brings about POV issues. The title of this article is "List of Qassam rocket attacks"; any attacks listed in the news should be included in the list. One cannot choose to omit articles without the issue of who decides what to include and what not to include, what criteria determines inclusion, etc. For example, do we only include articles in which the attack results in a fatality or do we also include articles about attacks which result in hospitalization? If it does result in hospitalization, must it be for a period longer than an hour, a day, three days? What about attacks which contribute to PTSD in the residents of Sderot? Don't all attacks fall in that category? All articles are fair game, in my opinion. ↠Michael Safyan 14:51, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
I think the Inclusion criteria should be that the Attack occurs and was reported in a verifiable media outlet. Since these attacks are (whether they kill someone or not) are the basis for War. They all are notable. This is how Israel justifies its attacks on Gaza. For example, if Mexico launched Rocket attacks on the US. THe US response would most likely be immediate and very violent, even if no one was killed. Since the attacks are the basis for going to War, Wike should so note all these attacks as Notable. ITBlair ( talk) 03:25, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
The map that is included in this article has no scale of distance (kilometers or miles). The map should be replaced with one that does, or enhanced with the addition of a scale or distance. The distances are critically important to the article because distance determines the effective range of the rockets, and therefor the area within which the rocket attacks took place and might take place in the future.
-- Tony7896 22:25, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
A map of the landing point of each of the mentioned rocket attacks would be extremely helpful, but may be unavailable and too difficult to produce to be practical; however, there are other possibilities that would be much easier and still helpful. Specifically, I suggest that a map be provided or created that indicates the area within Israel that is in range of the rockets. The article on the Qassam rocket shows the range of each model of the rocket as it has been enhanced: first 3, then 8-10, and now 10 kilometers. There could be a line or shading for each model of the rocket. This would help people visualize and conceptualize where the rocket attacks were located, and the possible location of future attacks, in terms of cities, towns and other settlements within Israel.
-- Tony7896 22:33, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
The article should make a clear distinction between military and civilian casualties. The entry for the September 11, 2007, attack says that the rocket landed in a military training camp and that soldiers were injured. It is not clear if these were the only military casualties. If all of the other casualties have been civilians it would strengthen the impact of the article if this was stated. If any of the other casualties were military it important that this be stated, since identifying the victims of the September attack as military creates an impression that all other causalities were civilian. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tony7896 ( talk • contribs) 23:13, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
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Can we try to keep the tense consistent? Most parts are written in the past tense, but recent additions have been in the present tense. Also, can we try to keep the dates consistent. Either all entries should contain the year or none of the entries should contain the year; there shouldn't be a mix of both. Lastly, this article is simply supposed to list Qassam rocket attacks; other information belongs in the
Israel-Gaza conflict, not here. Adding anything beyond the Qassam rocket attacks, depending on your point-of-view, 1.) either makes it look like more attacks took place than there actually were or 2.) dilutes the list of attacks with information about the Israeli response to such attacks.
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I noticed that other Wiki articles would list Qassam attacks (See 2007–2008 Israel-Gaza conflict). I have been gradually copying these into this article as well.
Also see: http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2008/01/january-qassam-calendar.html
I will try to add a paragraph on the Separation Wall. My guess is the Qassam attacks picked up when the separation wall made Suicide Bombers too difficult.
The article states: "Twenty-two Israeli's have been killed".
-- 128.139.104.49 ( talk) 19:44, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
Is this article supposed to be a timeline of the entire Israel-Gaza conflict or a list of Qassam rocket attacks, specifically, during the Israel-Gaza conflict? Also, the format is not that of a proper list. I propose that we reorganize the page as follows:
Date | Number of rockets fired | Location(s) hit | Organization(s) responsible | Consequence(s) | Source(s) |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
September 11, 2007 | ? | Zikim Military Base | Nasr Salah al-Din Brigades Islamic Jihad |
66-67 moderately to severely wounded | [1] [2] |
Michael Safyan ( talk) 23:55, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
This approach seems useful to me. I have no objection in principle. It would be nice to note the following (a) where the Rockets come from (Gaza or West Bank), (b) note those that fall short and land in the disputed territories, (c) note the distance traveled (at least from the border), and (d) Where possible provide the names of the victims. We should probably look at the format used the the Iraq Body Count web site. In addition, where a news report mentions a mortar attack I leave it in. Since the focus is on Qassam Rockets this may not be appropriate. Still, it gets a the context of Cross-Border attacks via indirect fire.
Also, sometimes I have left in or added context notes. For example, some attacks are the result of an Israeli assult and often the Israeli's attack because of a specific assault. A number of major Israeli operations have been the direct consequence of Qassam attacks.
Another nice to have would be a graph of the Total number of attacks and then for each year a separate graph for the attacks by month.
There are more general context notes, such as Gaza being declared an enemy entity or Abasas stating that the Qassam attacks are stupid. These could be left in an introduction section or cross-referenced from another Wiki page. ITBlair ( talk) 07:40, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
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This article is getting too long. I was wonder about keeping a header article with years 2002-through 2006 and then have separate Years for 2007 and 2008. ITBlair ( talk) 07:14, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
OK, I will leave it as is for the moment. Eventually (e.g., 2009), I think this article will be too long. There are a long series of articles on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict done by Year (see below). I was suggesting we follow in this tradition.
Timeline of violence in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict
An alternate approach might be 1. Attacks during GAZA OCCUPATION 2. Attacks after GAZA DISENGAGEMENT 3. Attacks After HAMAS Takeover. Although a few attacks may originate in the West, which would not be covered in this Israel Gaza breakout. ITBlair ( talk) 07:09, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
The first Qassam rocket fell on Israel on April 16, 2001.
Why are there list items from before this date? It's not clear to me what direct relation the earlier entries have with Qassam attacks. Rich ( talk) 01:14, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
-- Panoramix303 ( talk) 13:57, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
ITBlair ( talk) 00:36, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
Just reading this article for 5 minutes, references have been made to launching at least 100 rockets. Unfortuantely, we have no section explaining where these rockets come from. The Gaza Strip is rectangual in shape, surrounded by Israel on two sides, Egypt on the south, and the sea on the west. Now, I can assume that Israel is able to control its border with Gaza, which tells me that the weapons can only be brought in from Egypt, the sea, or dropped from the air...
Someone with enough knowledge about this issue: would you please include how these rockets make it to the Gaza Strip and possible counter-measures that could be taken. We know that some nations, such as Syria and Iran are actively involved in assissiting Palestinian terrorists, but it would be useful to know how these dangerous weapons are transported into Gaza. Thank you very much. ( Einstein00 ( talk) 18:06, 5 July 2008 (UTC))
I've read somewhere that they are civil-made, but citation needed 78.40.176.241 ( talk) 15:40, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
this purpose of this page is to discuss improvements of the article and not to speculate about how one side could be helped. by the way, it would also be interesting to know how the "zwa hagana le israel" obtains the dangerous weapons they are using currently, which states assists them and how they are transported.-- Severino ( talk) 19:05, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
Replying to this bit (don't know how to format/indent it, could someone do that for me?) The Qassam rockets are made in Gaza. There's an article on them on wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.208.221.223 ( talk) 13:52, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
I found a quote while reading the news: "...rocket fire by Hamas on Israeli towns, that have killed 22 people since 2000." Article information: "UN calls for immediate Gaza truce, attacks go on," by Nidal al-Mughrabi, Reuters, 09 Jan 2009, http://www.reuters.com/article/homepageCrisis/idUSL9116659._CH_.2400 PinkWorld ( talk) 10:32, 10 January 2009 (UTC)Pink
and this
[S]ome 8,000 rockets and mortars fired into Israel from Gaza, killing 18 people from 2000 until the offensive began... ["Q&A: Face-to-face in Gaza: tactics of Israel and Hamas,"Reuters, 12 Jan 2009, at http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/LC332057.htm] —Preceding unsigned comment added by PinkWorld ( talk • contribs) 03:50, 13 January 2009 (UTC) PinkWorld ( talk) 03:59, 13 January 2009 (UTC)Pink
Almost every reference is from either Reuters, Ynet, Jerusalem Post, or [Haaretz]]. The sources are also overwhelmingly Israeli. Thanks -- 97.113.23.80 ( talk) 04:30, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
To my knowledge there is currently no article on Wikipedia dealing with Qassam attacks as a phenomenon. I suggest renaming this article to something like "Qassam rocket attacks" and adding information about effectiveness, Qassam-induced psychological trauma, Qassam refugees, Israeli methods of coping, etc.; then moving the actual list of attacks (which ends here in 2007) to "list of qassam rocket attacks in 2007", "...2006" and so on, similarly to the current articles "list of qassam rocket attacks in 2008" and "...2009". Jalapenos do exist ( talk) 23:38, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
"7,000...the rockets since 2005, according to the Israeli military" ("Israelis Announce Cease-Fire In Gaza," by Craig Whitlock and Jonathan Finer, Washington Post Page A01, 18 Jan 2009, at http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/17/AR2009011700592.html?hpid=topnews) —Preceding unsigned comment added by PinkWorld ( talk • contribs) 14:44, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
Ayala (Ella) Abukasis reference: https://www.haaretz.com/1.4710636
I propose this article be cut down significantly. After all, the lead says the article is meant to list only "noteworthy/newsworthy" attacks, not every attack, as it appears this article strives for. I propose many of the minor attacks (such as the one for Dec. 2, 2007, and others like it) be eliminated, and that most of the Palestinian deaths in response be removed (is this article not about attacks in Israel?). Thoughts? PBP ( talk) 04:18, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
Seems like there was never a negative response to this. Here comes support. What I would suggest is to add an annual total of rocket numbers, casualties and deaths, and then to get rid of the insignificant chaff, leaving only the key events. Seriously, reporting rocket launchings that land in an empty field, and perhaps scares a passing goat, is a bit of oxygen theft. Erictheenquirer ( talk) 07:09, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
By my count about 80% of the incidents listed in this article are from 2007. Would anybody object to splitting off that content into its own article, List of rocket and mortar attacks in Israel in 2007, similar to the existing List of rocket and mortar attacks in Israel in 2008 and List of rocket and mortar attacks in Israel in 2009? Jalapenos do exist ( talk) 09:48, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone object to changing the name of this article to List of Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel, 2001-2006, and similarly changing the names of the articles on 2007, 2008 and 2009? Jalapenos do exist ( talk) 21:21, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
Sure are a lot of rocket attacks occurring OUTSIDE of Israel in this article. Strange. 124.169.163.201 ( talk) 09:55, 15 December 2010 (UTC) Sutter Cane
1. Counterpunch is not a reliable source. 2. A reliable source, HRW, gives a different timeline - saying 4 rockets landed in Israel on June 8th, unrelated to any Israeli attack. The source you used - Xinhua - clearly identifies the Hamas person killed as a military leader- the leader of the PRC. I will be undoing these POV-pushing edits shortly, and if you persist, reporting your behavior. All Rows4 ( talk) 16:36, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
@ WarKosin: - There was no WP:1RR prohibition on this article at the time of my post. I checked. You added it later. This is fully documented on this page. Nonetheless, I will respect your reference to the non-evident WP:ARBPIA and will revert my last edit. Please prepare yourself in a day or so to fully defend your claim that the post is not based on sources, and/or that the sources are biased. I have become very hard-nosed about one-liner claims as to non-WP:RS / bias / etc and will demand exhaustive proof in full compliance with Wiki protocols and discussions. In anticipation, and so as to save time, perhaps you could be open enough to actually provide some detail in support of your claim. Otherwise this is an utter time waste. Erictheenquirer ( talk) 11:55, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
Herewith my draft for a sub-section on the peak period of rocket attacks in 2006, on this occasion, separate from the list of individual attacks, and providing for the inter-relationship of Palestinian and Israeli attacks, a deficiency that has been the subject of various past discussions in Talk pages of the “motherâ€-article List of Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel, 2002–06. I previously suggested that the “Palestinian rocket†articles be merged with articles on Israeli assaults. Some editors preferred a pure list of rocket attacks, which in turn has been criticized as non WP:NPOV in various articles and on the notice board for Reliable Sources. I find the current structure to be clumsy and very inefficient, and I note WarKosign’s recent efforts (below) to rationalize these failings. Erictheenquirer ( talk) 15:17, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
During 2006, the main concentration of qassam rocket attacks occurred between June – July. [1]
At the start of the period of peak hostilities, the ceasefire of February 2005 was officially still in place.
[2] On 4 April, Israel declared the Hamas-led PA a “hostile entityâ€. In May 2006 the IDF resumed ground incursions into Gaza. Although Israel acknowledged that Hamas was largely sticking to the February 2005 cease-fire, it recommenced assassinations of Hamas leaders with the killing of
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[3] being suspected of an attack on a US diplomatic convoy, three years previously.
[4] The PRC denied involvement in the 2003 attack. Contradictory reasons were given by Israeli sources as to the objective for the strike on the PRC camp, the Israeli military claiming that the strike was an attack on the camp, while an Israeli security source said that it was prompted by Samhadana’s presence.
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Samhadana was killed along with at least three other PRC members, by four missiles fired by Israeli Apache helicopters, guided by Israeli reconnaissance drones, at a PRC camp in Rafah. [7] [8] Palestinian human rights sources called the killings extra-judicial executions and assassinations. They reported that Israeli media sources stated that Defense Minister Amir Peretz had personally approved the operation. [9] [10] Al Mezan Center for Human Rights condemned the assassinations, particularly the fact that they had been adopted as official Israeli policy. It said that assassinations were war crimes according to international humanitarian law, mainly the Fourth Geneva Convention, which bans all types of extrajudicial capital punishment. [10]
Based on a synthesis of media reports, Lin points to a ‘chronology of crisis’, which includes Samhadana’s assassination by the IDF. [11] Samhadna’s supporters threatened to revenge his death. [6] The next day, in response, Islamic Jihad fired rockets at Israel from Fatah-controlled Gaza, and a few hours later the IDF retaliated in turn with a bombardment of alleged launch sites on a Gaza beach. During the time span of the IDF bombardment, a civilian Gaza family, the Ghalias, was all but wiped out. In response to the assassination of its Ministry official and the civilian 'beach' deaths, Hamas announced that it was going to recommence rocket attacks. [2] On 15 June Hamas offered to reinstate the ceasefire, but Israel refused, requiring Hamas to stop the fire first. This led to more Israeli counter-measures, Hamas, PRC and Army of Islam rocket attacks, the kidnapping of two Gaza citizens by the IDF, [12] and the abduction the next day of IDF Corporal Gilad Shalit on 25 June 2006. [4] [11] [13] On 28 June Israel launched Operation Summer Rains with the stated objectives of securing the release of Shalit and preventing the launching of Qassam rockets. [14] By 27 August the IAF had conducted 247 aerial assaults into Gaza, destroying Gaza’s electicity network and killing over 200 Gazans (including 44 children), for the loss of one Israeli life. [15] End of Draft Erictheenquirer ( talk) 15:22, 2 April 2015 (UTC)4
@ WarKosign: - I see that you added the "fill-in" section without presenting it for discussion in Talk, as you have required that I do. Is the Palestinian-Israeli playing field always unlevel? Is the Israeli viewpoint somehow special or sacrosanct; not requiring discussion? Now that we have a "fill in", it is clearly once-again, incomplete. Where is the Israeli prevention of Hamas governance and its support of the minority Fatah opposition clinging to government? Where is the Embargo/Blockade? Where is the witholding of revenue? WK, if you want such a section, please attempt to retain a vague semblance of balance. I will provide it, but then I don't want to see the sub-section plundered because it is getting too bloated. I still FAR prefer a 2006 Background section and ask you to consider that before I start to balance your latest editing. Main reason: Your infill has nothing to do with the June-August conflict peak. It applies to all of 2006. Erictheenquirer ( talk) 15:57, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
DRAFT
During November, the second most intense flurry of rocket attacks from Gaza into southern Israel took place. [16]
On 12 October 2006, after Hamas had refrained from rocket launches for a month, the IDF failed in an attempted assassination on a senior Hamas commander. [17] Later on the same day, IAF strikes killed 8 armed Palestinians and wounded 20. [18] In response to the Israeli assassination attempt, Hamas resumed rocket fire from Gaza, lightly injuring 4 Israelis over the next 2 weeks. In turn Israel responded on 1 November 2006 with Operation Autumn Clouds. [19]
On November 8, the IDF killed or mortally wounded 23 and injured at least 40 Palestinians, all civilians. [20] A volley of tank shells hit a built-up civilian area. Israel apologized and attributed the Beit Hanoun shelling to a technical malfunction. Israel said the shells were fired in response to the firing of qassam rockets, probably from a car, the previous day (7 November). [21] By 8 November, the 240 airstrikes in 8 days, ground clashes and destruction of land and buildings, had left 82 Palestinian dead, compared to 2 IDF members. [17]
END OF DRAFT Erictheenquirer ( talk) 12:39, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
PS: Many thanks for your support in promoting discussion rather than mindless deletion. Erictheenquirer ( talk) 16:29, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
Since there are not further contributions nor objections, I will add the text of the draft to the Article. Erictheenquirer ( talk) 07:20, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
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I opened a discussion on giving context to this and similar lists. Please come over and comment there. “ WarKosign †06:38, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
On then, when balance and context are added, you appear for the first time claiming "BOLD delete right". Bold indeed!! Where were you in these discussions? Or is your speciality only "deletions without [Talk]"? Certainly seems so. So, as WarKosign wrote - DISCUSS - which does not mean your personal POV about why unbalanced articles should exist because they are 'lists', and how lists should be / are constrained. Many thanks. Erictheenquirer ( talk) 15:39, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
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I removed this information from Qassam rocket, where this list was cluttering an already too-detailed article. I question whether this detailed list belongs in Wikipedia at all. It looks like an attempt to memorialize the victims or emphasize the effect of this weapon's employment.
What is a "notable" rocket attack; does it have to meet Wikipedia:Notability criteria? See also Wikipedia:List guideline. — Michael Z. 2006-07-25 02:03 Z
Seems like a perfectly good set of criteria to get rid of the non-notable events. Comments? Erictheenquirer ( talk) 07:13, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
The inclusion of the Israeli security zone in Lebanon as the "immediate context for the attacks" and the failure of the Camp David talks cannot be correct because it is very clearly not "immediate". This is an article about Qassams which started to be fired in October 2001, "immediately" following the outbreak of the Second Intifada. It is also not made clear what the Security Zone in Lebanon has to do with Qassams from Gaza, or how the failure of the Camp David talks led to the beginning of the rocket attacks almost a year and a half later, in the description of these events as the immediate context. Nor does this appear to be the position of any neutral commentator or any other encylopedia. See, e.g. http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Qassam-rocket or http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/para/hamas-qassam.htm. Nor has a single source been cited with respect to this position. Directionless ( talk) 07:27, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
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This is an article about Qassam rocket attacks. If someone wants to move it to a page about Qassams and mortars, then they should do so, failing which, the information about mortars and their fatality or casualty statistics is irrelevant to this page. Directionless ( talk) 07:28, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
I recommend we ReTitle This Article List of Rocket and Morter Attacks in Israel. This is in keeping with the other Articles in this series (See Below). I can then add back in the Morter attacks that were deleted:
2008 Main article: List of rocket and mortar attacks in Israel in 2008
[edit] 2009 Main article: List of rocket and mortar attacks in Israel in 2009
ITBlair ( talk) 03:17, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
Just a note that I have been coming here for information on anything fired from Gaza to Israel. If someone were to fire off a piece of scrap metal and aim it towards Israel, I would come here to learn more about it. I would not mind at all if this article were to expand its scope and reflect that broadened scope in its title. PinkWorld ( talk) 10:08, 10 January 2009 (UTC)Pink
ReTitled the Article to be in keeping with the rest of Series. Will start to Add back Mortar attacks. ITBlair ( talk) 14:34, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
I have just undone an edit which removed a large portion of the list. The author who snipped large portions of the list did so under the premise that certain incidents did not merit inclusion or that the present selection demonstrated POV. To the contrary, choosing which articles to include and which articles not to include automatically brings about POV issues. The title of this article is "List of Qassam rocket attacks"; any attacks listed in the news should be included in the list. One cannot choose to omit articles without the issue of who decides what to include and what not to include, what criteria determines inclusion, etc. For example, do we only include articles in which the attack results in a fatality or do we also include articles about attacks which result in hospitalization? If it does result in hospitalization, must it be for a period longer than an hour, a day, three days? What about attacks which contribute to PTSD in the residents of Sderot? Don't all attacks fall in that category? All articles are fair game, in my opinion. ↠Michael Safyan 14:51, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
I think the Inclusion criteria should be that the Attack occurs and was reported in a verifiable media outlet. Since these attacks are (whether they kill someone or not) are the basis for War. They all are notable. This is how Israel justifies its attacks on Gaza. For example, if Mexico launched Rocket attacks on the US. THe US response would most likely be immediate and very violent, even if no one was killed. Since the attacks are the basis for going to War, Wike should so note all these attacks as Notable. ITBlair ( talk) 03:25, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
The map that is included in this article has no scale of distance (kilometers or miles). The map should be replaced with one that does, or enhanced with the addition of a scale or distance. The distances are critically important to the article because distance determines the effective range of the rockets, and therefor the area within which the rocket attacks took place and might take place in the future.
-- Tony7896 22:25, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
A map of the landing point of each of the mentioned rocket attacks would be extremely helpful, but may be unavailable and too difficult to produce to be practical; however, there are other possibilities that would be much easier and still helpful. Specifically, I suggest that a map be provided or created that indicates the area within Israel that is in range of the rockets. The article on the Qassam rocket shows the range of each model of the rocket as it has been enhanced: first 3, then 8-10, and now 10 kilometers. There could be a line or shading for each model of the rocket. This would help people visualize and conceptualize where the rocket attacks were located, and the possible location of future attacks, in terms of cities, towns and other settlements within Israel.
-- Tony7896 22:33, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
The article should make a clear distinction between military and civilian casualties. The entry for the September 11, 2007, attack says that the rocket landed in a military training camp and that soldiers were injured. It is not clear if these were the only military casualties. If all of the other casualties have been civilians it would strengthen the impact of the article if this was stated. If any of the other casualties were military it important that this be stated, since identifying the victims of the September attack as military creates an impression that all other causalities were civilian. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tony7896 ( talk • contribs) 23:13, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as stub, and the rating on other projects was brought up to Stub class. BetacommandBot 21:08, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
Can we try to keep the tense consistent? Most parts are written in the past tense, but recent additions have been in the present tense. Also, can we try to keep the dates consistent. Either all entries should contain the year or none of the entries should contain the year; there shouldn't be a mix of both. Lastly, this article is simply supposed to list Qassam rocket attacks; other information belongs in the
Israel-Gaza conflict, not here. Adding anything beyond the Qassam rocket attacks, depending on your point-of-view, 1.) either makes it look like more attacks took place than there actually were or 2.) dilutes the list of attacks with information about the Israeli response to such attacks.
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I noticed that other Wiki articles would list Qassam attacks (See 2007–2008 Israel-Gaza conflict). I have been gradually copying these into this article as well.
Also see: http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2008/01/january-qassam-calendar.html
I will try to add a paragraph on the Separation Wall. My guess is the Qassam attacks picked up when the separation wall made Suicide Bombers too difficult.
The article states: "Twenty-two Israeli's have been killed".
-- 128.139.104.49 ( talk) 19:44, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
Is this article supposed to be a timeline of the entire Israel-Gaza conflict or a list of Qassam rocket attacks, specifically, during the Israel-Gaza conflict? Also, the format is not that of a proper list. I propose that we reorganize the page as follows:
Date | Number of rockets fired | Location(s) hit | Organization(s) responsible | Consequence(s) | Source(s) |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
September 11, 2007 | ? | Zikim Military Base | Nasr Salah al-Din Brigades Islamic Jihad |
66-67 moderately to severely wounded | [1] [2] |
Michael Safyan ( talk) 23:55, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
This approach seems useful to me. I have no objection in principle. It would be nice to note the following (a) where the Rockets come from (Gaza or West Bank), (b) note those that fall short and land in the disputed territories, (c) note the distance traveled (at least from the border), and (d) Where possible provide the names of the victims. We should probably look at the format used the the Iraq Body Count web site. In addition, where a news report mentions a mortar attack I leave it in. Since the focus is on Qassam Rockets this may not be appropriate. Still, it gets a the context of Cross-Border attacks via indirect fire.
Also, sometimes I have left in or added context notes. For example, some attacks are the result of an Israeli assult and often the Israeli's attack because of a specific assault. A number of major Israeli operations have been the direct consequence of Qassam attacks.
Another nice to have would be a graph of the Total number of attacks and then for each year a separate graph for the attacks by month.
There are more general context notes, such as Gaza being declared an enemy entity or Abasas stating that the Qassam attacks are stupid. These could be left in an introduction section or cross-referenced from another Wiki page. ITBlair ( talk) 07:40, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
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This article is getting too long. I was wonder about keeping a header article with years 2002-through 2006 and then have separate Years for 2007 and 2008. ITBlair ( talk) 07:14, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
OK, I will leave it as is for the moment. Eventually (e.g., 2009), I think this article will be too long. There are a long series of articles on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict done by Year (see below). I was suggesting we follow in this tradition.
Timeline of violence in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict
An alternate approach might be 1. Attacks during GAZA OCCUPATION 2. Attacks after GAZA DISENGAGEMENT 3. Attacks After HAMAS Takeover. Although a few attacks may originate in the West, which would not be covered in this Israel Gaza breakout. ITBlair ( talk) 07:09, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
The first Qassam rocket fell on Israel on April 16, 2001.
Why are there list items from before this date? It's not clear to me what direct relation the earlier entries have with Qassam attacks. Rich ( talk) 01:14, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
-- Panoramix303 ( talk) 13:57, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
ITBlair ( talk) 00:36, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
Just reading this article for 5 minutes, references have been made to launching at least 100 rockets. Unfortuantely, we have no section explaining where these rockets come from. The Gaza Strip is rectangual in shape, surrounded by Israel on two sides, Egypt on the south, and the sea on the west. Now, I can assume that Israel is able to control its border with Gaza, which tells me that the weapons can only be brought in from Egypt, the sea, or dropped from the air...
Someone with enough knowledge about this issue: would you please include how these rockets make it to the Gaza Strip and possible counter-measures that could be taken. We know that some nations, such as Syria and Iran are actively involved in assissiting Palestinian terrorists, but it would be useful to know how these dangerous weapons are transported into Gaza. Thank you very much. ( Einstein00 ( talk) 18:06, 5 July 2008 (UTC))
I've read somewhere that they are civil-made, but citation needed 78.40.176.241 ( talk) 15:40, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
this purpose of this page is to discuss improvements of the article and not to speculate about how one side could be helped. by the way, it would also be interesting to know how the "zwa hagana le israel" obtains the dangerous weapons they are using currently, which states assists them and how they are transported.-- Severino ( talk) 19:05, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
Replying to this bit (don't know how to format/indent it, could someone do that for me?) The Qassam rockets are made in Gaza. There's an article on them on wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.208.221.223 ( talk) 13:52, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
I found a quote while reading the news: "...rocket fire by Hamas on Israeli towns, that have killed 22 people since 2000." Article information: "UN calls for immediate Gaza truce, attacks go on," by Nidal al-Mughrabi, Reuters, 09 Jan 2009, http://www.reuters.com/article/homepageCrisis/idUSL9116659._CH_.2400 PinkWorld ( talk) 10:32, 10 January 2009 (UTC)Pink
and this
[S]ome 8,000 rockets and mortars fired into Israel from Gaza, killing 18 people from 2000 until the offensive began... ["Q&A: Face-to-face in Gaza: tactics of Israel and Hamas,"Reuters, 12 Jan 2009, at http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/LC332057.htm] —Preceding unsigned comment added by PinkWorld ( talk • contribs) 03:50, 13 January 2009 (UTC) PinkWorld ( talk) 03:59, 13 January 2009 (UTC)Pink
Almost every reference is from either Reuters, Ynet, Jerusalem Post, or [Haaretz]]. The sources are also overwhelmingly Israeli. Thanks -- 97.113.23.80 ( talk) 04:30, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
To my knowledge there is currently no article on Wikipedia dealing with Qassam attacks as a phenomenon. I suggest renaming this article to something like "Qassam rocket attacks" and adding information about effectiveness, Qassam-induced psychological trauma, Qassam refugees, Israeli methods of coping, etc.; then moving the actual list of attacks (which ends here in 2007) to "list of qassam rocket attacks in 2007", "...2006" and so on, similarly to the current articles "list of qassam rocket attacks in 2008" and "...2009". Jalapenos do exist ( talk) 23:38, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
"7,000...the rockets since 2005, according to the Israeli military" ("Israelis Announce Cease-Fire In Gaza," by Craig Whitlock and Jonathan Finer, Washington Post Page A01, 18 Jan 2009, at http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/17/AR2009011700592.html?hpid=topnews) —Preceding unsigned comment added by PinkWorld ( talk • contribs) 14:44, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
Ayala (Ella) Abukasis reference: https://www.haaretz.com/1.4710636
I propose this article be cut down significantly. After all, the lead says the article is meant to list only "noteworthy/newsworthy" attacks, not every attack, as it appears this article strives for. I propose many of the minor attacks (such as the one for Dec. 2, 2007, and others like it) be eliminated, and that most of the Palestinian deaths in response be removed (is this article not about attacks in Israel?). Thoughts? PBP ( talk) 04:18, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
Seems like there was never a negative response to this. Here comes support. What I would suggest is to add an annual total of rocket numbers, casualties and deaths, and then to get rid of the insignificant chaff, leaving only the key events. Seriously, reporting rocket launchings that land in an empty field, and perhaps scares a passing goat, is a bit of oxygen theft. Erictheenquirer ( talk) 07:09, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
By my count about 80% of the incidents listed in this article are from 2007. Would anybody object to splitting off that content into its own article, List of rocket and mortar attacks in Israel in 2007, similar to the existing List of rocket and mortar attacks in Israel in 2008 and List of rocket and mortar attacks in Israel in 2009? Jalapenos do exist ( talk) 09:48, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone object to changing the name of this article to List of Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel, 2001-2006, and similarly changing the names of the articles on 2007, 2008 and 2009? Jalapenos do exist ( talk) 21:21, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
Sure are a lot of rocket attacks occurring OUTSIDE of Israel in this article. Strange. 124.169.163.201 ( talk) 09:55, 15 December 2010 (UTC) Sutter Cane
1. Counterpunch is not a reliable source. 2. A reliable source, HRW, gives a different timeline - saying 4 rockets landed in Israel on June 8th, unrelated to any Israeli attack. The source you used - Xinhua - clearly identifies the Hamas person killed as a military leader- the leader of the PRC. I will be undoing these POV-pushing edits shortly, and if you persist, reporting your behavior. All Rows4 ( talk) 16:36, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
@ WarKosin: - There was no WP:1RR prohibition on this article at the time of my post. I checked. You added it later. This is fully documented on this page. Nonetheless, I will respect your reference to the non-evident WP:ARBPIA and will revert my last edit. Please prepare yourself in a day or so to fully defend your claim that the post is not based on sources, and/or that the sources are biased. I have become very hard-nosed about one-liner claims as to non-WP:RS / bias / etc and will demand exhaustive proof in full compliance with Wiki protocols and discussions. In anticipation, and so as to save time, perhaps you could be open enough to actually provide some detail in support of your claim. Otherwise this is an utter time waste. Erictheenquirer ( talk) 11:55, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
Herewith my draft for a sub-section on the peak period of rocket attacks in 2006, on this occasion, separate from the list of individual attacks, and providing for the inter-relationship of Palestinian and Israeli attacks, a deficiency that has been the subject of various past discussions in Talk pages of the “motherâ€-article List of Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel, 2002–06. I previously suggested that the “Palestinian rocket†articles be merged with articles on Israeli assaults. Some editors preferred a pure list of rocket attacks, which in turn has been criticized as non WP:NPOV in various articles and on the notice board for Reliable Sources. I find the current structure to be clumsy and very inefficient, and I note WarKosign’s recent efforts (below) to rationalize these failings. Erictheenquirer ( talk) 15:17, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
During 2006, the main concentration of qassam rocket attacks occurred between June – July. [1]
At the start of the period of peak hostilities, the ceasefire of February 2005 was officially still in place.
[2] On 4 April, Israel declared the Hamas-led PA a “hostile entityâ€. In May 2006 the IDF resumed ground incursions into Gaza. Although Israel acknowledged that Hamas was largely sticking to the February 2005 cease-fire, it recommenced assassinations of Hamas leaders with the killing of
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[3] being suspected of an attack on a US diplomatic convoy, three years previously.
[4] The PRC denied involvement in the 2003 attack. Contradictory reasons were given by Israeli sources as to the objective for the strike on the PRC camp, the Israeli military claiming that the strike was an attack on the camp, while an Israeli security source said that it was prompted by Samhadana’s presence.
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Samhadana was killed along with at least three other PRC members, by four missiles fired by Israeli Apache helicopters, guided by Israeli reconnaissance drones, at a PRC camp in Rafah. [7] [8] Palestinian human rights sources called the killings extra-judicial executions and assassinations. They reported that Israeli media sources stated that Defense Minister Amir Peretz had personally approved the operation. [9] [10] Al Mezan Center for Human Rights condemned the assassinations, particularly the fact that they had been adopted as official Israeli policy. It said that assassinations were war crimes according to international humanitarian law, mainly the Fourth Geneva Convention, which bans all types of extrajudicial capital punishment. [10]
Based on a synthesis of media reports, Lin points to a ‘chronology of crisis’, which includes Samhadana’s assassination by the IDF. [11] Samhadna’s supporters threatened to revenge his death. [6] The next day, in response, Islamic Jihad fired rockets at Israel from Fatah-controlled Gaza, and a few hours later the IDF retaliated in turn with a bombardment of alleged launch sites on a Gaza beach. During the time span of the IDF bombardment, a civilian Gaza family, the Ghalias, was all but wiped out. In response to the assassination of its Ministry official and the civilian 'beach' deaths, Hamas announced that it was going to recommence rocket attacks. [2] On 15 June Hamas offered to reinstate the ceasefire, but Israel refused, requiring Hamas to stop the fire first. This led to more Israeli counter-measures, Hamas, PRC and Army of Islam rocket attacks, the kidnapping of two Gaza citizens by the IDF, [12] and the abduction the next day of IDF Corporal Gilad Shalit on 25 June 2006. [4] [11] [13] On 28 June Israel launched Operation Summer Rains with the stated objectives of securing the release of Shalit and preventing the launching of Qassam rockets. [14] By 27 August the IAF had conducted 247 aerial assaults into Gaza, destroying Gaza’s electicity network and killing over 200 Gazans (including 44 children), for the loss of one Israeli life. [15] End of Draft Erictheenquirer ( talk) 15:22, 2 April 2015 (UTC)4
@ WarKosign: - I see that you added the "fill-in" section without presenting it for discussion in Talk, as you have required that I do. Is the Palestinian-Israeli playing field always unlevel? Is the Israeli viewpoint somehow special or sacrosanct; not requiring discussion? Now that we have a "fill in", it is clearly once-again, incomplete. Where is the Israeli prevention of Hamas governance and its support of the minority Fatah opposition clinging to government? Where is the Embargo/Blockade? Where is the witholding of revenue? WK, if you want such a section, please attempt to retain a vague semblance of balance. I will provide it, but then I don't want to see the sub-section plundered because it is getting too bloated. I still FAR prefer a 2006 Background section and ask you to consider that before I start to balance your latest editing. Main reason: Your infill has nothing to do with the June-August conflict peak. It applies to all of 2006. Erictheenquirer ( talk) 15:57, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
DRAFT
During November, the second most intense flurry of rocket attacks from Gaza into southern Israel took place. [16]
On 12 October 2006, after Hamas had refrained from rocket launches for a month, the IDF failed in an attempted assassination on a senior Hamas commander. [17] Later on the same day, IAF strikes killed 8 armed Palestinians and wounded 20. [18] In response to the Israeli assassination attempt, Hamas resumed rocket fire from Gaza, lightly injuring 4 Israelis over the next 2 weeks. In turn Israel responded on 1 November 2006 with Operation Autumn Clouds. [19]
On November 8, the IDF killed or mortally wounded 23 and injured at least 40 Palestinians, all civilians. [20] A volley of tank shells hit a built-up civilian area. Israel apologized and attributed the Beit Hanoun shelling to a technical malfunction. Israel said the shells were fired in response to the firing of qassam rockets, probably from a car, the previous day (7 November). [21] By 8 November, the 240 airstrikes in 8 days, ground clashes and destruction of land and buildings, had left 82 Palestinian dead, compared to 2 IDF members. [17]
END OF DRAFT Erictheenquirer ( talk) 12:39, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
PS: Many thanks for your support in promoting discussion rather than mindless deletion. Erictheenquirer ( talk) 16:29, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
Since there are not further contributions nor objections, I will add the text of the draft to the Article. Erictheenquirer ( talk) 07:20, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
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I opened a discussion on giving context to this and similar lists. Please come over and comment there. “ WarKosign †06:38, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
On then, when balance and context are added, you appear for the first time claiming "BOLD delete right". Bold indeed!! Where were you in these discussions? Or is your speciality only "deletions without [Talk]"? Certainly seems so. So, as WarKosign wrote - DISCUSS - which does not mean your personal POV about why unbalanced articles should exist because they are 'lists', and how lists should be / are constrained. Many thanks. Erictheenquirer ( talk) 15:39, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
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