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Obviously change for your park and fill in only info available. Aboutmovies 05:46, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
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EncMstr 18:32, 11 April 2007 (UTC)There was some discussion somewhere about where to find a complete list of parks. Well, I figured out the other day that I happen to work across the street from Parks and Rec, so today I picked up the 2006-2007 Oregon Parks & Heritage Guide. Thus I can double check the entries if need be. Also, there's a new park opening in June: L.L. "Stub" Stewart State Park. I have the brochure about it. A DYK might be in order--it's "the first full-service park in more than 30 years to join Oregon's state park system." Mr. Stewart needs an article too--something for you politicos to do... Katr67 17:31, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
For the WikiProject Oregon collaboration of the week, I'll be going by some of the gorge parks. I'll be sure to stop at a few of them and take photos for an article. Don't know which ones, though since there are 21 entries, I doubt I'll do too many. :-) — EncMstr 20:24, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
Several state park articles (Ecola, Fort Stevens and Sunset Beach) redirect to Lewis and Clark National and State Historical Parks where there is very little on the actual state parks. I've always thought the state parks should be broken out from this article, if anybody feels like tackling that and/or is heading for Astoria this weekend. I asked about it on the talk page and no one has stepped up to explain why the articles needed to be redirected. Katr67 22:39, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
This needs to be added to the list but I'm too lazy to deal with the formatting today. See Shedd, Oregon for more info. Katr67 ( talk) 07:32, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
There are some listed on [2] that do not appear on this list:
-- NE2 23:50, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
[5] appears to have every state park except for the most recently-created ones. I've listed and sorted them all at User:NE2/OR parks. -- NE2 03:48, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
I guess
this is the explanation:
-- NE2 21:21, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
Template:Protected Areas of Oregon now includes all parks I can confirm. -- NE2 21:33, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
I work across the street from Parks and Rec and just got my hands on the latest version of the Oregon Parks and Heritage Guide. The receptionist, after I mentioned Wikipedia and the question of what counts as a park, suggested I come in and talk to one of their staff members, so I'll probably take her up on that at some point, just to get the info direct from the source. Hopefully what I find out is also published somewhere. I won't consider it time wasted, but it will be original research. Katr67 ( talk) 18:56, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
The list is now complete, as far as I can tell. Here is what I did to update the page:
8.These sites are on the website, but not in the PHG:
I'm not sure if this is due to budget constraints or to some sites being less equal than others, though some are closely related to other sites (which I have noted). Occasionally sites get turned over to other jurisdictions.
Also URL 240 used to link to the Officer's Inn Bed and Breakfast at Fort Stevens, which was sold to a private party in 2005
9. These state parks have been "downgraded" (note that I think its rare for them to be upgraded)
I suspect that there is some rebranding occuring here...
Oregon State Capitol State Park is not in PHG, it's too new. In PHG but not online are Silver Falls Conference Center (I've opted to leave it off the list), Ochoco SSV, Warm Springs SRS, Dyer State Wayside and Pete French Round Barn SHS.
Let me know if you need me to provide additional references. If necessary I'll see if I can secure the applicable internal memos that announce the name changes, though I'm not sure those would be admissible as evidence reliable sources.
If you hate it, revert it and I'll move on to other things. Katr67 ( talk) 07:10, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for throwing me a bone, re: the renames. I do try not to be too full of crap most of the time and government agencies do pay me to do fact-checking for them, but I digress. I think PHG should be considered a reliable source. I know the state owns certain properties that aren't developed yet. What good would it do this list to add undeveloped, proposed and future sites that aren't yet open to the public or that the public isn't encouraged to visit? Luckiamute, according to the link, is referred to as "state park lands". Even if state parks owns land, I don't think that makes it a state park until they develop it. All it really is until then is a piece of land and a title. In the meantime, they could run out of money and the land will remain undeveloped, they could turn the property over to another jurisdiction, etc. Bowers Rock is refed in the Dem-Herald, which is a good source, but the article does say "The Legislature designated the area as a state park in 1972, but no development of the area has taken place." So we need to come to a consensus about whether we will include undeveloped sites in this list. If there are undeveloped sites designated as parks as early as 1972, then a search of the law of Oregon is needed. Oregon Revised Statutes is online and searchable, but it only goes back to 1995. Someone would need to be willing to do a great deal of research in hard copy of ORS and Oregon Laws if you really want this done right. I think that sounds like a pain in the ass. If parks isn't forthcoming about their undeveloped parks, I think we should just include the developed ones. Progress, not perfection... Katr67 ( talk) 17:47, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
Would a county column be a good addition to the list? -- NE2 19:51, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
Like EncMstr, I tend to have a predilection toward including the undeveloped state parks. Everything Katr76 says about the tentativeness of the undeveloped parks may be true in a whole bunch of cases, but it's equally possible that any given undeveloped park is stable and specifically being managed that way, and therefore definitely should be included. And developed parks get closed and transferred too. And unless we can find a reliable, presumably scholarly, source that takes a look at each park and assigns it to a well-defined "developed" or "undeveloped" category, then we don't have a verifiable way to draw a line for Wikipurposes. Ipoellet ( talk) 00:45, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
Interesting. I'm inclined to think that an agency which publicizes the extent of their territory would be more deserving of additional funding. I wonder why they would have properties as poorly cataloged as they do? Sign or not, trail or not, they ought to be on some public record somewhere. Maybe there's an article and/or book in that?: Hidden Oregon Treasures of OSP: An investigative mystery. — EncMstr ( talk) 02:15, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
The Oregon State Parks Trust says there are 235 parks; several state publications ( [10] [11]) agree. Some other sources say 233, 231, 230; obviously the number changes when parks open or are leased. -- NE2 03:17, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
I emailed OPRD, and got in response: "Properties that do not have public facilities such as adequate parking or restrooms are not included on our web site." -- NE2 20:27, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
I just wrote Sheridan State Scenic Corridor and added it to the list. -- NE2 23:01, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
Can anyone get ahold of this book? [12] [13] -- NE2 10:22, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
So, I just created three stubs (for the Frenchglen Hotel, Deschutes State Scenic Area, and George W. Joseph natural area.) Also created a couple redirects. If there are some kind of standards desired by those who called for this CotW, I'm not aware of them. Can somebody take a look at what I've done, and let me know if I left out anything important? Thanks! - Pete ( talk) 23:15, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
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Obviously change for your park and fill in only info available. Aboutmovies 05:46, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
thumb
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EncMstr 18:32, 11 April 2007 (UTC)There was some discussion somewhere about where to find a complete list of parks. Well, I figured out the other day that I happen to work across the street from Parks and Rec, so today I picked up the 2006-2007 Oregon Parks & Heritage Guide. Thus I can double check the entries if need be. Also, there's a new park opening in June: L.L. "Stub" Stewart State Park. I have the brochure about it. A DYK might be in order--it's "the first full-service park in more than 30 years to join Oregon's state park system." Mr. Stewart needs an article too--something for you politicos to do... Katr67 17:31, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
For the WikiProject Oregon collaboration of the week, I'll be going by some of the gorge parks. I'll be sure to stop at a few of them and take photos for an article. Don't know which ones, though since there are 21 entries, I doubt I'll do too many. :-) — EncMstr 20:24, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
Several state park articles (Ecola, Fort Stevens and Sunset Beach) redirect to Lewis and Clark National and State Historical Parks where there is very little on the actual state parks. I've always thought the state parks should be broken out from this article, if anybody feels like tackling that and/or is heading for Astoria this weekend. I asked about it on the talk page and no one has stepped up to explain why the articles needed to be redirected. Katr67 22:39, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
This needs to be added to the list but I'm too lazy to deal with the formatting today. See Shedd, Oregon for more info. Katr67 ( talk) 07:32, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
There are some listed on [2] that do not appear on this list:
-- NE2 23:50, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
[5] appears to have every state park except for the most recently-created ones. I've listed and sorted them all at User:NE2/OR parks. -- NE2 03:48, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
I guess
this is the explanation:
-- NE2 21:21, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
Template:Protected Areas of Oregon now includes all parks I can confirm. -- NE2 21:33, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
I work across the street from Parks and Rec and just got my hands on the latest version of the Oregon Parks and Heritage Guide. The receptionist, after I mentioned Wikipedia and the question of what counts as a park, suggested I come in and talk to one of their staff members, so I'll probably take her up on that at some point, just to get the info direct from the source. Hopefully what I find out is also published somewhere. I won't consider it time wasted, but it will be original research. Katr67 ( talk) 18:56, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
The list is now complete, as far as I can tell. Here is what I did to update the page:
8.These sites are on the website, but not in the PHG:
I'm not sure if this is due to budget constraints or to some sites being less equal than others, though some are closely related to other sites (which I have noted). Occasionally sites get turned over to other jurisdictions.
Also URL 240 used to link to the Officer's Inn Bed and Breakfast at Fort Stevens, which was sold to a private party in 2005
9. These state parks have been "downgraded" (note that I think its rare for them to be upgraded)
I suspect that there is some rebranding occuring here...
Oregon State Capitol State Park is not in PHG, it's too new. In PHG but not online are Silver Falls Conference Center (I've opted to leave it off the list), Ochoco SSV, Warm Springs SRS, Dyer State Wayside and Pete French Round Barn SHS.
Let me know if you need me to provide additional references. If necessary I'll see if I can secure the applicable internal memos that announce the name changes, though I'm not sure those would be admissible as evidence reliable sources.
If you hate it, revert it and I'll move on to other things. Katr67 ( talk) 07:10, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for throwing me a bone, re: the renames. I do try not to be too full of crap most of the time and government agencies do pay me to do fact-checking for them, but I digress. I think PHG should be considered a reliable source. I know the state owns certain properties that aren't developed yet. What good would it do this list to add undeveloped, proposed and future sites that aren't yet open to the public or that the public isn't encouraged to visit? Luckiamute, according to the link, is referred to as "state park lands". Even if state parks owns land, I don't think that makes it a state park until they develop it. All it really is until then is a piece of land and a title. In the meantime, they could run out of money and the land will remain undeveloped, they could turn the property over to another jurisdiction, etc. Bowers Rock is refed in the Dem-Herald, which is a good source, but the article does say "The Legislature designated the area as a state park in 1972, but no development of the area has taken place." So we need to come to a consensus about whether we will include undeveloped sites in this list. If there are undeveloped sites designated as parks as early as 1972, then a search of the law of Oregon is needed. Oregon Revised Statutes is online and searchable, but it only goes back to 1995. Someone would need to be willing to do a great deal of research in hard copy of ORS and Oregon Laws if you really want this done right. I think that sounds like a pain in the ass. If parks isn't forthcoming about their undeveloped parks, I think we should just include the developed ones. Progress, not perfection... Katr67 ( talk) 17:47, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
Would a county column be a good addition to the list? -- NE2 19:51, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
Like EncMstr, I tend to have a predilection toward including the undeveloped state parks. Everything Katr76 says about the tentativeness of the undeveloped parks may be true in a whole bunch of cases, but it's equally possible that any given undeveloped park is stable and specifically being managed that way, and therefore definitely should be included. And developed parks get closed and transferred too. And unless we can find a reliable, presumably scholarly, source that takes a look at each park and assigns it to a well-defined "developed" or "undeveloped" category, then we don't have a verifiable way to draw a line for Wikipurposes. Ipoellet ( talk) 00:45, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
Interesting. I'm inclined to think that an agency which publicizes the extent of their territory would be more deserving of additional funding. I wonder why they would have properties as poorly cataloged as they do? Sign or not, trail or not, they ought to be on some public record somewhere. Maybe there's an article and/or book in that?: Hidden Oregon Treasures of OSP: An investigative mystery. — EncMstr ( talk) 02:15, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
The Oregon State Parks Trust says there are 235 parks; several state publications ( [10] [11]) agree. Some other sources say 233, 231, 230; obviously the number changes when parks open or are leased. -- NE2 03:17, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
I emailed OPRD, and got in response: "Properties that do not have public facilities such as adequate parking or restrooms are not included on our web site." -- NE2 20:27, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
I just wrote Sheridan State Scenic Corridor and added it to the list. -- NE2 23:01, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
Can anyone get ahold of this book? [12] [13] -- NE2 10:22, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
So, I just created three stubs (for the Frenchglen Hotel, Deschutes State Scenic Area, and George W. Joseph natural area.) Also created a couple redirects. If there are some kind of standards desired by those who called for this CotW, I'm not aware of them. Can somebody take a look at what I've done, and let me know if I left out anything important? Thanks! - Pete ( talk) 23:15, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
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