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I had said this might be an issue, and now that the merge is complete, the article is 107k, over the maximum size where "the article should almost certainly be split" and thus now the reason to keep it this length needs to be justified, which I don't think it can be. That said, I do believe reorganization should come first, but now we either need to start thinking about removing characters from this list or making another split for at least one of the groups. I have suggested one in the past. Jinnai ( talk) 16:10, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
Size has never really been a major problem; and like it has been said before, that list is just a rule of thumb. If this article had been stable for some time and it didn't show any signs of shrinking, then yes, such a proposal would be in order. However we are not in that situation. -- Kraftlos ( Talk | Contrib) 23:20, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
I have nominated this in as a CfD due to it having only 2 items and better to be moved to the main list of Category:One Piece as because of the merge, it's unlikely to get much, if any, larger anytime soon. じん ない 06:40, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
Question! Luffy alone so far consitutes as a separate character article. The rest are all huddled up for whatever reason. Are there are other series besides One Piece with such an awkward setting? A setting where only one single character out of a hundred gets a page. If there are any in wikipedia, can they be listed. It's weird cause if everyone is stock on one page, why should Luffy get his own page since the citations and refs can easily just be stated on one page along with the rest. If there are other series with this setting like One Piece, then its okay. If not, then its really weird. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.28.215.142 ( talk) 17:08, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
Okay. There seems to be confusion as to when exactly did Robin join. Robin was not asked, she invited herself, and therefore accepted right after Luffy agreed. Therefore, she should be counted as the sixth to join, as she was already on the crew before Franky joined, before Enies Lobby (although Enies Lobby did help to improve her relations with the crew), since she was there to...err...persuade Franky to join. -- ruby. red. roses 20:55, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
I could tolerate everything up to now, but merging the Straw Hat members' articles in as well? I can understand maybe Brook or the ships being merged, but this is just nonsense. This whole thing has become plain ridiculous. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.66.217.78 ( talk • contribs) 23:53, 27 November 2008
I sort of agree. How does Naruto characters satisfy guidelines, being a much less popular anime than One Piece. All the One Piece characters are so well developed that its hard to justify them by giving them only a crappy section that happened in the so called "merge". And since the articles were created before already, why is it that we have to discuss it over and over again about merging? Why not improve on whats there? I am most likely to be ignored, and frankly, I know enough about the characters to not care what people who spend time even trying to discuss about these things think. I just think this whole thing is a little stupid and probably done by stupid Naruto fans. Illusion13 ( talk) 09:20, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
After reading your contributor page a bit closely, it seems like you're not a Narutard with the sole intention of putting down One Piece. Thus my question goes to you: How does merging really improve anything? If you know anything about the manga, you would know and understand that each main character is very well developed, and even alot of the villains are very heavily developed. Having them in one convoluted list simply does not justify, when each Kamen Rider gets his own page, and many other anime/manga characters get their own page. A merge does not improve the quality, and for sure does not up the "notability" of such character. I really cant associate this work with good intentions. And no, I will never do anything about this because it will just get deleted anyways. Illusion13 ( talk) 06:18, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
Heh so after glanced at a few Naruto character pages, it seems like the manga itself is used as a source 80% of the time. Now I heard that the manga itself is not a valid source and not an evidence of "notability". I wonder if anyone even bothered looking for sources for One Piece, because I refuse to believe that One Piece has less sources than Naruto. I am certainly not going to attempt to do so myself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Illusion13 ( talk • contribs) 06:34, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
What the fuck happened? It seems like 80% of the characters were eliminated. And I may be extremely lat on this but the merger is bullshit. They characters are now thrown in that jumbled mess of a list in such a bizzare order that I can't make sense of it. It's just so fucked up. What they hell is so wrong with the Main characters each having their own page? So many other fictional characters have their own pages. And at least a seperate section for the Shickibukai. And some more stuff I can't really think of, it's just so messed up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.163.0.130 ( talk • contribs) 16:23, 6 December 2008
It doesn't really matter. Even if people are against the merges they will merge anyway. Thats what scum do. Gune ( talk) 03:37, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
It was just you and Goodraise against at least 3 people. Your so called consensus fails because even when there were more people against it you did it anyway.
Gune (
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22:39, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
They made BS lies up that the merges were supported by consensus. Only they actually supported it. So when I undid the edits they redid them again and decided to lie again about the consensus. It just shows how deletionists work. They just want to delete everything and make up lies. Gune ( talk) 06:34, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
I was surprised to come here and see the articles of the main crew merged into this giant list. I'm generally not a fan of deletionism, and the merge does just that--deletes information. Someone for the merge mentioned signal-to-noise ratio. Pinning down what a good SNR is is difficult. Signal for some is noise for others--it really depends on what a person is looking for. Separate articles help people find what they're looking for. If they're looking for general information about the character, then they can just read the portion above the article's table of contents. If they're looking for more specific information, they can look at the ToC and see what the article has to offer. With the merge, we do not have the benefits of separated articles. Now we simply have huge blocks of text for each character, with no headings. For comparison, look at
List_of_Naruto_characters. The main characters have short, to-the-point descriptions, not large blobs of text. If a person wants more information, they can go to that character's article. --
98.244.101.157 (
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19:30, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
Well its true Kraflos. Both you and Goodraise made up the BS that you had a consensus. Only you and him agreed to it. Gune ( talk) 05:35, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
All the minute details of the discussion on merging seems to have been lost in transition amongst everyone due to it being too large for everything to be taken. Not everyone it seems is able see the decision and consesous made by it. Everyone is going left and right in this discussion because not everyone can see a unified point. How ironic as this jumbled mess of confusion and misunderstanding is a reflection of the large article.
Maybe it should have been decided at a slower pace with more varied group of people, if not in a different direction. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.127.52.20 ( talk) 18:05, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
notability for the momment seems to be the major and repeated roadblock for the justification for any Op article in wikipedia, even ones that would help lighten the load like a list for Straw Hats. constant repetition of the use of the ruling to justify things maybe okay in the begining but in the long run it seems like it creates conflicts than progression. Evidence of this, is the number of times people have expressed their hate for this page without contributing anything but argument. If progression for any coverage of OP characters is to happen beyond a cramped up page, leniency in following the rule to the letter might have to be done, if not the rule needing to be ignored completely —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.9.65.2 ( talk) 08:01, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
So Straw Hats get no article cause if they are moved, this page no longer counts as notable??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.28.215.142 ( talk) 17:13, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
Guys, you should just give up. Goodraise has an answer for everything, which makes him correct. Important information is something we just don't need; he's doing us a service by cramming all the characters on to one page. If only someone would tell those jerks at the One Piece wiki to summarize all of the information they have into a single page...that would be so much better. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.30.37.126 ( talk) 08:48, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
Does the condensation of the One Piece character pages remind anyone else of this? http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Piece —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.30.37.126 ( talk) 13:01, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
Characters like Smoker I would hardly call antagonists. When I hear that word I think the big bad boss that luffy fights at the end of a story arc. Characters like Smoker, Tashigi, Blackbeard, Bartholomew Kuma, and Aokiji are not antagonists if we follow my definition; at least, they aren't antagonists yet. I would like to move those characters to an others section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.84.108.255 ( talk) 22:56, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
Okay, I understand that for some people it's easier to say, "there's not enough info to have an individual page" because hardly anyone that I know really looks at this, but here's a simple fact: there's a lot more info than is listed.
The Straw Hat (Mugiwara) Pirates article alone should be separate for at least two reasons: One, the pirates have much more to there character than is there and there are few (if any) links to individual pages, and Two, the Crew have a lot of story line together that would be missed by individual pages alone without making the article far too long. This means that anyone trying to look into the series without reading and/or watching it would miss much about it or start reading it for a different reason and end up dropping it through disappointment. I hope this sheds some light, as I was looking for the chapters when we first meet Franky and when he actually joins, only now coming across the new character that I won't get to meet for a while, though I don't even know when. If you actually read this, thanks because hardly anyone has ever actually listened to me through these things before. ^^ Hope this helps! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.93.211.240 ( talk) 01:12, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
It would seem that quite a lot of people are against this merge then. But most of which argue for almost emotional reasons. I don't think it's fair that Goodraise and Kraftlos should bee antagonized because they supported the merger, and the discussion should be an adult one. However, I also feel that there some major flaws in merging all of the One Piece articles into a list, with the exception of Monkey D. Luffy. For example, the argument is that the only character who meets Wikipedia guidelines is Luffy. This would have have been granted if it were in fact true. The fact that some of the One Piece characters which are now merged into a massive list of characters ignores that they have indeed been recognized by the outside world, in terms of Shonen Jump character lists (and I think that does count), merchandise and reviews from anime websites (By that I don't mean message boards). Perhaps it's the neglect of utilizing this information is from all our parts, neglected. Which is a bit of a shame. I also find amazing that List of Naruto antagonists had received a featured article, but that also has do with the reviews and the fandom, even on said antagonists. Finding some for One Piece with the expection of Luffy is admittedly, rare. However, that is not to say they do not exist. Basically, I think that the Merging of the Straw Hats' separate articles was rushed, especially for an ongoing manga series, and there should be a separate list of One Piece antagonists. If I (or anyone else who argues among similar lines) cannot find any outside references to the characters within One Piece, then I'll accept things the way they are. I hope youl agree with this. Uglyguy2006 ( talk) 08:58, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
A lot of the stuff I still see is plot related that needs verification (not notability for the real-world impact). Does that mean we should be slapping {{cite book}} or {{cite video}} on stuff because that's the most appropriate way to show verification showing appropriate page number(s)/timeframe as appropriate (which for some elements it's not) or what? じん ない 15:22, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
One Piece has more recurring characters than Naruto and Bleach combined, and yet both of those series get two or more perfectly valid character lists. There really should be an actual discussion about splitting this that involves more users than Kraftlos and Goodraise. Someone go make a RfC or something so this page can get some fresh opinions. - Norse Am Legend ( talk) 20:58, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
Repetition, Repetition. Needs more speakers from both sides. More intellectual speakers on one side so they don't sound like complainers, and more speakers on the other so they don't sound like a grumpy conservative select few. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.177.201.94 ( talk) 03:10, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
Hello :) I added an external link to this page, but it was very smoothly and quickly edited out again and I don't understand why. The link is to my site and there's nothing inappropriate on it as far as I can tell. It's about the friendship of Sanji and Zoro, but seeing as how they don't have separate pages, I don't know where else to put it. Can someone tell me how I'm supposed to add a link here? There was no External links category btw so I tried adding one and it worked, only I found my efforts quickly negated. It's just like the IMDB, you take the time to improve a page and as a token of gratitude, people just delete what you worked on without a word. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nidieuxnimaitres ( talk • contribs) 21:08, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
1. How is this one masive list any good idea? Do you know how long the page loaded for me and stil was not lodead?
2. How exactely do you need third party sources for the characters so far as the characters go? Is an own volume question and answer column from the author is not enough to verify whatever you need ? And sorry, but when you do an article about an anime/manga/whatever, the series in itself is good enough reference for most things in my book. We are truly trying to make things overly complicated, aren't we?
Also, sub note. I realy love how this page is about as informative as absolutely nothing. Missing major characters and protagonist images aside, aply these same criteria to an america related series article like, I dunno, Superman and see where that gets you .
-- New Babylon 2 ( talk) 22:16, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
I have a friend who would like to suggest a change... "The real name of the ship is Merry Go, not Going Merry." I have changed it for him; seeing as I have no knowlege of this subject, I trust his. Please leave a comment on my talk page if this is incorrect... Comfortably numb55 ( talk) 22:44, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
Basically, in Japanese it's called Going Merry-go, the "-go" is a suffix similar to -san or -kun, but is for ships. Its really translated name is supose to be "The Going Merry" the crew refer to it as "Merry" sometimes as well. In the Viz and 4kids Translations it was translated to Merry Go. 4kids did as a pun on "Merry Go Rounds", and Viz did the translation to be more close to the Anime dub at the time. Zoro's name was change to Zolo for similar reasons. But the current Anime Dub by FUNimation is going with the "Going Merry" Translation. Also many fan subbing and translation groups go with "Going Merry". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.129.85.73 ( talk) 17:54, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
Who is the 4Kids voice actor of Wapol? Is it Matt Hoverman or Sean Schemmel or perhaps even both? The various user-editable websites disagree on who it is. The credits should be in the dub episode #48 "Saving Nami", which first aired August 27, 2005 and was released on the DVD "Volume 11: Tony Tony Chopper" on October 30, 2007. Would be great if anyone could look this up. Thanks, -- Goodraise ( talk) 23:03, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
I dunno if this would help any, but in the commentary for One Piece: Season 1 3rd Voyage Eric Vale had this to say about Sanji;
When thinking about Sanji's voice he thinks about how angry Sanji is from his past. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.129.85.73 ( talk) 00:28, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
The article states that Sanji fights exclusively with his feet, but is it not true that he used kitchen knifes in one fight as a means to defeat a man made of noodles? (He willingly did this as he was "practically fighting food" so it wouldn't be 'misuse' of kitchen applicances.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.213.105.58 ( talk) 23:46, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
Isn't Nero a member of CP9? See chapter 369, page 3. It clearly states that the 3rd car holds CP9 member "Sea Weasel, 'Nero'" (page 17) and it's stated in chapter 373 that he's the new-guy who knows four forms and is invited by 'Corgi'. Ge4ce ( talk) 13:42, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
"...and they finally and officially join the crew, which is marked by Oda through a chapter title paged devoted to that character." Ignoring the typo, not all of the Strawhat Pirates have their first title page in the chapter which they join. Nami's first title page is on Chapter 10, in which she still hasn't made an alliance with Luffy. She doesn't do that until Chapter 14, but it's title page is devoted to Luffy, and she doesn't officially join his crew until chapter 94. Between those chapters, she is still on many title pages. (Sorry if I don't have citations for proof of this.) I think that the latter part of the quote should be removed. Spandumb ( talk) 19:40, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
For the reasons above, I give this article a pass to B-Class. I must disclose that I was involved in major merges last year, however I really haven't been involved much with the content of this page aside from watching it. I think Goodraise and a good number of other contributors have done a good job with this page. This puts the article in the top 2% of Anime articles on Wikipedia. Onward and Upward! -- Kraftlos ( Talk | Contrib) 03:33, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
According to the One Piece wikia, Viz's manga uses the spelling Jimbei. Is that not true, and if it is shouldn't that be the name used in the article? The Splendiferous Gegiford ( talk) 23:38, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
why arent the 11 supernovas on the list? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.74.214.19 ( talk) 19:09, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
I love the unique variety and mythos of the many tattoos found in the One Piece world. I would like to see the character pages include a section for their tattoo(s) and the stories behind them (if known), such as Nami's, or the Fishmen pirates.
68.98.200.163 ( talk) 17:24, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
Why isn't Monkey D. Dragon given a spot in the character list? Indigo child 03:00, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
Mr. 3 doesn't have his Japanese name anywhere that he's mentioned in this list? Is there any particular reason why? - Sukecchi ( talk) 12:25, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
Shouldn't all the groups be sub-scetions of "other characters" per standard wikipiedia format? 陣 内 Jinnai 19:00, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
"I also believe the 11 Supernovas should recieve their own article." Not unless they have received significant coverage by third party reliable sources. Active Banana ( talk) 00:19, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
Why both Sadie-chan and Saldeath Chief Guard? Sadie-chan is gokusotsuchou (獄卒長) and gokusotsu means torturer so shouldn't she be Chief Torturer? Saldeath is roubanchou (牢番長), rouban means prison guard so I think Chief Guard is allright. And Domino, she is fukukanshuchou (副看守長). She should be Vice Chief Jailer, not a normal guard. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.59.40.85 ( talk) 15:28, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
It should be added the Portgas D. Ace has died —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.152.174.108 ( talk) 22:59, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
Too answer your question Indigochild, sadly yes, he dies at the end of chapter 574 :'( —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.152.174.108 ( talk) 01:35, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
Okay guys , the fact of the matter is this page is just to damn big . I would propose , just like in the case of Naruto charatcers list , to split this article at least into Characters and Villians/Antagonists . I'm sure you will quote a lot of acronyms instead of an answer , but it's a simple fact this page is both out of date , disorganised and overly long . -- New Babylon 2 ( talk) 21:40, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
Logically speaking, if Eneru can detect electricity, he should be able to predict people's movements through "reading" their brain waves, since those are just miniscule amounts of electricity. Does anyone else agree? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.68.43.102 ( talk) 00:45, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
I was wondering why there was no mention of a similarity to The Rocky Horror Picture Show's Dr. Frank-N-Furter -- 69.232.189.175 ( talk) 07:13, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
I'm of the opinion that Nefertari Vivi is about 16-17, for a couple of reasons. 1, Dr. Kureha is supposed to be 139, coming on 140 in the present, but in the flashback, she's 133, six years younger. 2, in a conversation between Dalton, Kuromarimo, and Chess, Dalton refers to Nefertari Vivi as "a ten year old girl" while talking about how then-king Wapol (and their boss) had treated Nefertari Vivi. I found Dr. Kureha's age-in flashback and Dalton's conversation in OnePiece volume 16, and I think her age at present can be found in one of the two preceding volumes.
Does anyone agree with me? Jds500 ( talk) 18:15, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
The crew allied with him were 43, not 42. See here: http://www. onemanga.com/One_Piece/551/12-13/. AndreaFox2 ( talk) 12:07, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
it's "zolo" not "zoro" right? that's what I find in the english shonen jump manga, if you don't believe me, check it yourself. also, if there's a japanese spelling of "zolo" (not that there necessarily is), then shouldn't that be in the japanese article (if any) not here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jds500 ( talk • contribs) 00:04, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
Here's my opinion. I buy and read the English manga (which is translated by Viz Media), and I buy and watch the English DVDs (which is dubbed by FUNimation). Viz Media translates his name as "Zolo", but FUNimation translates his name as "Zoro". The "List of One Piece characters" article goes by the FUNimation translations. Therefore, his name should remain as "Zoro". I respect Jds500's opinion, but the entire article goes by the English FUNimation translations. Rico70 ( talk) 09:13, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
Okeydokey, I think I'm sold. it looks like "zoro" is used more, but it might be helpful to make sure that it's mentioned that "zoro" is the funimation (and/or anything else that also uses "zoro") translation and is used more worldwide, but to also mention "zolo" is used in english manga, but isn't used as much so it's mentioned, but not used in the article. That way, other people (you're not the only ones using "zoro" and I'm not the only one using "zolo") should be happy: you use the (apparently) more correct name, but you acknowledge that "zolo" is used, instead of having everybody fight over names so virtually everybody(you can never please EVERYBODY) should be happy.
Basically, keep using "zoro", just make sure you mention that it's one of two translations, and apparently more correct than the other so you use it here, as well as mentioning the "zolo" translation as being less used, etc. making sure you mention it's the english manga version of his name, and I'll be good. Jds500 ( talk) 15:45, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
in the archive that goodraise linked to, there was a argument about the relative strengths of luffy, zoro/zolo, and sanji, did that get resolved? i was wondering because i saw the arguement, but nothing about relative strengths in the list of characters Jds500 ( talk) 16:13, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
Hi, I just finished (phew) going through the characters and fixing any grammar and wording errors, and attempting to get rid of redundancy within character bios. Tell me if I screwed anything up... especially if I messed up the information, so we can discuss it... Jds500 ( talk) 22:57, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
nicknamed "Yellow Monkey" (黄色人種, Ōshoku Jinshu).
Such nickname doesn't exist in a Japanese version. The cartoon is stolen from Japan. And, the content is falsified by a malignant translator. 60.39.41.134 ( talk) 23:52, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
ummm, his "diamble jamble" doesn't put his foot on fire, it mkes it red hot. 70.241.16.91 ( talk) 17:47, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
I would like to request that we do a revote for both Don Krieg and Wapol's sections. Only two people put down votes and it was already declared over. I think they need more time to get more votes especially since I think they deserve to be their own sections since they were both main antagonists of arcs. - SuperTiencha ( talk) 15:33, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
shouldn't there be a section for the newfishman pirates (hody/hodi, darumake, vander decken, etc.)? Thornydevil Munchies? 03:04, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
He's had the most panel time of the Vice Admirals and for plot significance he was one of the leaders of the Buster Call on Enies Lobby, transported Luffy to Impel Down, and after the timeskip he sent Sentomaru and the Pacifistas after the Strawhats. I believe that he deserves a seperate section. 174.3.181.136 ( talk) 22:22, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
I'm supposed to discuss it on the Straw poll page? 174.3.181.136 ( talk) 23:13, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
Eiichiro Oda have the great pleasure of releasing databooks that shows names of ships, characters and other stuffs that are not shown in the manga. But what it matters here is the correct characters' names that was showed in those databooks and now, wikipedia needs to have the accurate info about every article, this must be changed:
I tried twice to change to the right way but the user Sjones23 undo the changes that I did by no reason. Can you consider to change them?. Thanks DragonNJMB ( talk) 07:37, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
Fisher Tiger was once a slave to the World Nobles and freed other fishmen/mermen/Boa and her two sisters. With that, the Sun Pirates were created their own insignia to cover the Celestial Dragon slave brand. Fishiesnap ( talk) 04:44, 6 December 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fishiesnap ( talk • contribs) 04:41, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
A lot has happened since they've been merged. Funimation's DVD releases and Viz' accelerated publishing schedule have resulted in a whole new wave of reviews. It shows in the sections of these two characters. Back then, I was a strong proponent of these two merges. Now I'm on the fence and curious what others think. Is it time to unmerge theses two? Good raise 04:57, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
As a note, I have created a sandbox for Nami here. Darth Sjones23 ( talk - contributions) 17:01, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
The last time this was discussed, 4Kids had stopped dubbing, Funimation had only just begun dubbing and subbing, and Viz wasn't too far with their English adaptation of the manga either. That made it difficult to decide which names to use primarily. Since I don't read/watch any of these versions, my native language being German, I don't really care which is used, but I think we should decide on one and stick with it throughout this article at the very least. I assume Funimation's dub and sub don't differ. That leaves the choice between them and Viz' manga. Last time, if I recall correctly, we more or less decided on using Funimation's subs, since they had just started doing new episodes, thus providing us with the only available non-fan-made terminology for a lot of characters. Seeing as Viz will eventually overtake Funimation when it catches up to the Japanese manga, and because the manga is the primary medium (we don't cover filler characters in this list either), I think we should consider switching to Viz' names. Opinions? Good raise 14:25, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
English manga name (if that's what is used primarily)/second version/third version. ? Heck froze over ( talk) 21:49, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
I read parts of the archive for: specific split discussions [2] [3] [4], a thread on organizing characters, and another on splitting, and as far as I can tell many characters were kept (and are still being added) due to personal opinion of who is and is not important. I may be ahead of myself in saying this, but I see that a large majority of the current list lacks notability, and even characters entirely unimportant (no real-world refs, nor plot relation) have recently been included. Can we discuss a definite line on what is really necessary here and carry the article with that? Spindori ( talk) 14:48, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
If most of the character lists weren't merged pointlessly then this wouldn't even be a issue Gune ( talk) 03:20, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
I think you mean none at all since it was fine how it was before. Gune ( talk) 19:58, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
Just as an idea, what about showing the straw hats, and any characters not part of or not shown only as part of any particular group or syndicate, on this page, and making new pages, then linking to seperate pages for other groups, like cp-9 or baroque works, listing them in this page, but also mentioning briefly various characters that were former members (nico robin for example, in baroque works). For example:
straw hat crew monkey d. luffy: blahblahblah roronoa zolo : blahblahblah nami: blahblahblah etc.
characters not in any organization: sir croc: blahblahblah bon clay: blahblahblah crocus: blahblahblah gol d. roger: blahblahblah etc.
labeled link to page for cp-9 labeled link to baroque works etc.
Jds500 ( talk) 23:56, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
ahhh well.... why not use the sources from this article? they should work right? Jds500 ( talk) 22:53, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
Discussing how much space should be used for which character is pretty pointless, unless we first get to a consensus on how big this page should be. Based on WP:SIZERULE, I'd say we should aim for a size of 80 to 90 kilobyte. Would that be acceptable? Good raise 00:07, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
Just a reminder. We're supposed to write from the perspective of the reader, not from the perspective of the characters. (See WP:INUNIVERSE.)
These are all examples of what not to write. Cheers, Good raise 22:06, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
Shanks losing his arm. Present or past? In the anime it's a flashback. In the manga it isn't. It's difficult for me as a reader to not think of the Ohara Incident as an event of the past, but that's what we have to do when writing about it. Good raise 22:50, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
would it make sense for flashbacks be denoted as:
in a flashback: blahblah does this and that,
back in the present: blahblah does this and that,
Also, how should the two year time skip be handled?
Heck froze over (
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22:07, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
Each Strawhat Pirate should have its page.-- ToonsFan ( talk) 10:39, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
Support. If primary characters in other series, like Naruto, can have their own pages, I see no reason why the primary characters for this series should be any different. If sources/citations are a problem, couldn't you just use the ones currently used for the current character list, but just including more info? Heck froze over ( talk) 21:51, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
I have made a big mistake and I apologize. I should have known better. By preceding my initial response to the proposal with a bolded summary of my position (see my comment from 12:04, 30 October 2011 (UTC)), I derailed this discussion. I suppose I got into the habit after the straw poll a few sections up turned out to be such a productive tool for reaching consensus regarding all those supporting characters. However, content decisions on Wikipedia are not reached by counting votes. Editors can cast votes on this page as much as they like, but it won't decide the outcome of this discussion, because that's what we are having here, a discussion. (See WP:NOTDEMOCRACY.) I hope I'll be able to fix my mistake by adding section headers and notes. Anyway, what will decide the outcome of this discussion is the quality of arguments brought forward. So, if anyone has valid arguments for creating pages for each Straw Hat, here (right below this comment) is the place. Thus far, I've heard none. Good raise 14:23, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
I think this article would benefit if we decided on a few conventions to follow. Feel free to attach your own proposals to this thread. Good raise 20:03, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
I suggest we provide voice actor information only for characters with a section of their own. If we try to give that information for all characters currently mentioned, we'll end up doubling the page size. We have to draw the line somewhere. Good raise 20:03, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
I suggest we limit providing the names of Devil Fruits a character has eaten to characters who don't necessarily have a section of their own, but are discussed in several sentences. It seems rather silly to me when more words are spent listing all the names of a character and his or her Devil Fruit in the various versions than on the character him- or herself. Good raise 20:03, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
I think he should be referred to as Gold Roger. If there was a whole article about him, it would be located at Gold Roger per WP:COMMONNAME. It's enough to note his "real" name in the first sentence of his section. Good raise 20:03, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
I've noticed a significant amount of reception for the character. If I can bring enough references, would anyone be opposed to the character receiving his own article? Redbird 41 ( talk) 17:45, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
There should be a section of Sabo? Is an important character in the series.-- ToonsFan ( talk) 16:24, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
Both Angel Island and Skypiea have small sections and its not very necessary to have them seperated. The information from both sections should be put together as one since Angel Island alone isn't significant enough to be its own section. - SuperTiencha ( talk) 03:37, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
There should be a Water 7 section on this list mentioning all of the major characters that were in the Water 7 and Enies Lobby arc. Iceburg, Kokoro, the Galley-La workers and the Frankey Brothers were all characters that were present during that whole major story arc of the series which lasted for around 100 episodes. We already have a section for Alabasta and Skypiea residents and those arcs were not as long. - SuperTiencha ( talk) 00:19, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
The One Piece anime is already over 500 episodes long. Mentioning every voice actor of every character in every version is out of the question for reasons of article size alone. We need to decide which of them to name based on considerations of due weight. To that end, I'd like to make the following proposals. Please discuss and add additional or alternate proposals below. Good raise 23:26, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
When an actor voices a character for hundreds of episodes and is substituted for only a handful of episodes by another voice actor, that other voice actor should not be mentioned. As it stands, some voice actors are mentioned who only contributed to a handful of episodes, while those of almost major characters like Rob Lucci and Magellan are not. The way I see it, that's a violation of WP:DUE. Good raise 23:26, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
Same as with short term substitutes, these should not be mentioned. Good raise 23:26, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
There is two English adaptations of the anime (three if we count Odex' dub). Considering that One Piece is primarily a manga, the anime being but an adaptation, I think we're skewing the article by going into so much detail on voice actors. We're not including anime only characters for basically the same reason. Good raise 23:26, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
There's lots of Japanese names and terms with their equivalents in the various English adaptations on this page. It's going too far. In that regard, I'd like to propose the following conventions. Good raise 19:47, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
I propose we provide only the terms and names used in Viz Media's English manga adaptation (plus kanji and romaji) for everything that isn't the name of a character. This list is about characters, not devil fruits, islands, groups, abilities, etc. It's not supposed to be an index of terminology used in the various versions. Good raise 19:47, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
Each character should be given due weight. For some characters that's a whole section. For some it's a few sentences. For some it's mentioning them. For some it's not mentioning them at all. I think it would only be consistent to limit mentioning name variations to characters with sections of their own. Good raise 19:47, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
Tokyo Mew Mew has, just like One Piece, received the 4Kids "americanization" treatment. List of Tokyo Mew Mew characters is, I think, treating the issue sensibly by mentioning name changes along with naming the voice actors. That has several advantages.
Therefore, I think we should imitate that list's wording in regard to voice actor information and use it wherever possible. Specifically, I think we should use the following variations (and only those wherever circumstances don't make it impossible).
Good raise 19:47, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
Recommend for English voice actors whose names are a spelling difference and not something major like Captain Smoker to Captain Chaser.
Also might mention the manga where appropriate as they still use Zolo and some of the 4Kids spellings on their volumes. I haven't gotten to the part where they might have switched over. AngusWOOF ( talk) 17:26, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
Should some of the characters be labeled as antagonists, as can be seen here? What speaks for it, what against it? Good raise 06:47, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
What happened to the Usopp article why was it taken down? The page had a quite a few sources and reception so their shouldn't have been any reason for it to be taken down. I think it should be brought back. - SuperTiencha ( talk) 04:32, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
As the series gets longer, characters previously not prominent enough to merit a section may eventually do so. Likewise, characters who were important enough in the past, may no longer be. I think we should reevaluate the status of the following characters. Feel free to bring up other characters as well. Good raise 20:00, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
He continues to show up. First at Sabaody, then at Marine Ford, and now again as a Warlord in the New World. I think it's time for him to get a section of his own. Good raise 20:00, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
Jango was a major character back in East Blue (when the series was still very short), during the Grand Line part he became somewhat recurring, but now his last significant appearance is a long while back. Devoting a whole section to him seems too much, especially considering that Don Krieg, Wapol, Magellan, and even Rob Lucci (all primary antagonists in their respective story lines) are discussed in less detail. Good raise 20:00, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
Caesar Clown is a recent major antagonist of the Straw Hat Pirates when they arrive at Punk Hazard and was working for Vegapunk. I think a section devoted to him should be added. Lord Sjones23 ( talk - contributions) 22:32, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
I believe that he should be put into a section for all of the Punk Hazard inhabitants. Though his arc is still going right now, he is for now a single arc character and he probably will be like Wapol, Don Krieg, Magellan, Rob Lucci, Kuro, etc. - SuperTiencha ( talk) 00:13, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
In robin's summary it says she needs to be able to see what she is sprouting her limbs from, but you can see several times throughout One Piece that she has been looking away from the surface or has had her eyes closed while sprouting her limbs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.183.86.239 ( talk) 06:38, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
It should create a section of The Eleven Supernovas?-- HeinzDoofenshmirtz ( talk) 17:45, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
Should we use the depiction of the Straw Hats from the 2009 or from the 2012 calendar or both (similar to List of Naruto characters)? Both can currently be seen at File:Main characters of One Piece.png. Good raise 22:19, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
Chuck was the voice of Luffy and Usopp in only season 2. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.147.56.74 ( talk) 18:37, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
Correct me if I am wrong, but a few weeks ago or so, the ToC Limit was removed from the article. There is some concern that the ToC is much easier to navigate with sections. But rather than getting involved in an edit war, I am taking the WP:BRD route and decided to open a discussion here. Should we include the ToC limit template in the article or not? Lord Sjones23 ( talk - contributions) 00:30, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
What are other editors thoughts on the characters that were recently added by HeinzDoofenshmirtz ( talk · contribs), the Bellamy Pirates, Sabo, Caesar Clown and Dressrosa? I still think Bellamy, Sabo, Caesar Clown and some the Dressrosa characters are notable enough on its own as major characters, but some of the other characters are not notable. Lord Sjones23 ( talk - contributions) 20:57, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
I have been thinking about nominating this as an FLC for some time now. The obvious issues that need to be fixed are to find some sources for the creation and conception section. If anyone else has suggestions on this, please let me know. Thanks, Lord Sjones23 ( talk - contributions) 05:52, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
I think we should create a page for Usopp, Sanji, Tony Tony Chopper, Nico Robin, Franky, and Brook since I did see the rest of the Main Characters from Shōnen Jump's Dragon Ball series, Naruto series, and Bleach have theirs pages in Wikipedia, but, I think they should deserves to have their own page in Wikipedia and plus, that they also appeared in alot of large role in One Piece series. DigiPen92 ( talk) 05:25, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
I take it that Viz's names have been used for romanization when in doubt, but Oda actually wrote Ace's name, not in katakana but the Latin script in chapter 590 and it was "Portgas D. Ace", surely how the author spells it trumps how a company trying to localize it does. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FamAD123 ( talk • contribs) 23:18, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
That didn't really answer my question, if the author himself wrote it one way, why is the website using another? FamAD123 ( talk) 15:52, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
Wikipedia uses the English spellings of names even if they are wrong. Though the argument that more people would recognize a Viz spelling is stupid due to the amount of people reading illegally online. Gune ( talk) 20:14, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
Viz wouldn't listen. It isn't just Viz anyway. Funimation does it too. Besides, it still doesn't solve the which version they would know more issue. Gune ( talk) 18:05, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
Another example of why Viz isn't a good company then. Gune ( talk) 00:01, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
In the One Piece series, there are several protagonists (nine in fact), though only one (Luffy) is the primary one. Several articles that have main characters or protagonists have been debated for some time now. The main character link redirects to the protagonist link. In Super Sentai for example, there are protagonist groups and we refer to them as the protagonists of each series. Since the Straw Hats are a group which equally share the role of the protagonist as with Luffy, I think we should refer to them as the protagonists. Thoughts or objections? Lord Sjones23 ( talk - contributions) 03:21, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
The definition of protagonist means a main character. Luffy is the lead character and everybody else in the Straw Hats crew are main characters as well. I said this many times. A protagonist ISN'T a group of characters. It should be reverted back to the way I wrote it. JoesphBarbaro ( talk) 12:07, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
1. It is WATER LAW. You need to be an idiot to not realise that it is supposed to be "Water", since his name is a reference to Waterloo. Watel doesnt make any sense
2. Why delete the section for Bartolomeo? He is a notable character for multiple reasons, and he contributed to the plot. Less relevant characters have sections.-- 109.166.130.162 ( talk) 09:51, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
3. Why doesn't Koala have her own section? She is only mentioned in the section on the revolutionary army but there is more relevant information about her that isn't written there. As I don't know where in the page to post this I am writing it here. Please tell me where this should really be for any future suggestions. Ximoquim ( talk) 01:26, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
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Should we mention the Straw Hat Pirates as main characters or protagonists? Lord Sjones23 ( talk - contributions) 03:42, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
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I think it's time to incude Sabo and Bartolomeo in the article but we still need a consensus to add them. It was originally added without consensus, but I am opening a discusion here to see if we can include the article. Please state whether you would support, oppose or remain neutral on these inclusions.
From the article:
Several characters have been stated to be based on actual people, such as Whitebeard being based on the owner of a bar where Oda used to go.
Looking for a source for this, I found that several websites attribute this or similar claims to One Piece: Yellow, but none ever provide a page number or ISBN, which makes me a bit suspicious. Can anyone confirm that this is actually in the source, and not a case of "all the fansites trusting each other"? Good raise 02:44, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
Obviously fake. It isn't even on the One Piece wiki. Gune ( talk) 20:16, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
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I had said this might be an issue, and now that the merge is complete, the article is 107k, over the maximum size where "the article should almost certainly be split" and thus now the reason to keep it this length needs to be justified, which I don't think it can be. That said, I do believe reorganization should come first, but now we either need to start thinking about removing characters from this list or making another split for at least one of the groups. I have suggested one in the past. Jinnai ( talk) 16:10, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
Size has never really been a major problem; and like it has been said before, that list is just a rule of thumb. If this article had been stable for some time and it didn't show any signs of shrinking, then yes, such a proposal would be in order. However we are not in that situation. -- Kraftlos ( Talk | Contrib) 23:20, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
I have nominated this in as a CfD due to it having only 2 items and better to be moved to the main list of Category:One Piece as because of the merge, it's unlikely to get much, if any, larger anytime soon. じん ない 06:40, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
Question! Luffy alone so far consitutes as a separate character article. The rest are all huddled up for whatever reason. Are there are other series besides One Piece with such an awkward setting? A setting where only one single character out of a hundred gets a page. If there are any in wikipedia, can they be listed. It's weird cause if everyone is stock on one page, why should Luffy get his own page since the citations and refs can easily just be stated on one page along with the rest. If there are other series with this setting like One Piece, then its okay. If not, then its really weird. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.28.215.142 ( talk) 17:08, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
Okay. There seems to be confusion as to when exactly did Robin join. Robin was not asked, she invited herself, and therefore accepted right after Luffy agreed. Therefore, she should be counted as the sixth to join, as she was already on the crew before Franky joined, before Enies Lobby (although Enies Lobby did help to improve her relations with the crew), since she was there to...err...persuade Franky to join. -- ruby. red. roses 20:55, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
I could tolerate everything up to now, but merging the Straw Hat members' articles in as well? I can understand maybe Brook or the ships being merged, but this is just nonsense. This whole thing has become plain ridiculous. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.66.217.78 ( talk • contribs) 23:53, 27 November 2008
I sort of agree. How does Naruto characters satisfy guidelines, being a much less popular anime than One Piece. All the One Piece characters are so well developed that its hard to justify them by giving them only a crappy section that happened in the so called "merge". And since the articles were created before already, why is it that we have to discuss it over and over again about merging? Why not improve on whats there? I am most likely to be ignored, and frankly, I know enough about the characters to not care what people who spend time even trying to discuss about these things think. I just think this whole thing is a little stupid and probably done by stupid Naruto fans. Illusion13 ( talk) 09:20, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
After reading your contributor page a bit closely, it seems like you're not a Narutard with the sole intention of putting down One Piece. Thus my question goes to you: How does merging really improve anything? If you know anything about the manga, you would know and understand that each main character is very well developed, and even alot of the villains are very heavily developed. Having them in one convoluted list simply does not justify, when each Kamen Rider gets his own page, and many other anime/manga characters get their own page. A merge does not improve the quality, and for sure does not up the "notability" of such character. I really cant associate this work with good intentions. And no, I will never do anything about this because it will just get deleted anyways. Illusion13 ( talk) 06:18, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
Heh so after glanced at a few Naruto character pages, it seems like the manga itself is used as a source 80% of the time. Now I heard that the manga itself is not a valid source and not an evidence of "notability". I wonder if anyone even bothered looking for sources for One Piece, because I refuse to believe that One Piece has less sources than Naruto. I am certainly not going to attempt to do so myself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Illusion13 ( talk • contribs) 06:34, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
What the fuck happened? It seems like 80% of the characters were eliminated. And I may be extremely lat on this but the merger is bullshit. They characters are now thrown in that jumbled mess of a list in such a bizzare order that I can't make sense of it. It's just so fucked up. What they hell is so wrong with the Main characters each having their own page? So many other fictional characters have their own pages. And at least a seperate section for the Shickibukai. And some more stuff I can't really think of, it's just so messed up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.163.0.130 ( talk • contribs) 16:23, 6 December 2008
It doesn't really matter. Even if people are against the merges they will merge anyway. Thats what scum do. Gune ( talk) 03:37, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
It was just you and Goodraise against at least 3 people. Your so called consensus fails because even when there were more people against it you did it anyway.
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22:39, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
They made BS lies up that the merges were supported by consensus. Only they actually supported it. So when I undid the edits they redid them again and decided to lie again about the consensus. It just shows how deletionists work. They just want to delete everything and make up lies. Gune ( talk) 06:34, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
I was surprised to come here and see the articles of the main crew merged into this giant list. I'm generally not a fan of deletionism, and the merge does just that--deletes information. Someone for the merge mentioned signal-to-noise ratio. Pinning down what a good SNR is is difficult. Signal for some is noise for others--it really depends on what a person is looking for. Separate articles help people find what they're looking for. If they're looking for general information about the character, then they can just read the portion above the article's table of contents. If they're looking for more specific information, they can look at the ToC and see what the article has to offer. With the merge, we do not have the benefits of separated articles. Now we simply have huge blocks of text for each character, with no headings. For comparison, look at
List_of_Naruto_characters. The main characters have short, to-the-point descriptions, not large blobs of text. If a person wants more information, they can go to that character's article. --
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Well its true Kraflos. Both you and Goodraise made up the BS that you had a consensus. Only you and him agreed to it. Gune ( talk) 05:35, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
All the minute details of the discussion on merging seems to have been lost in transition amongst everyone due to it being too large for everything to be taken. Not everyone it seems is able see the decision and consesous made by it. Everyone is going left and right in this discussion because not everyone can see a unified point. How ironic as this jumbled mess of confusion and misunderstanding is a reflection of the large article.
Maybe it should have been decided at a slower pace with more varied group of people, if not in a different direction. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.127.52.20 ( talk) 18:05, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
notability for the momment seems to be the major and repeated roadblock for the justification for any Op article in wikipedia, even ones that would help lighten the load like a list for Straw Hats. constant repetition of the use of the ruling to justify things maybe okay in the begining but in the long run it seems like it creates conflicts than progression. Evidence of this, is the number of times people have expressed their hate for this page without contributing anything but argument. If progression for any coverage of OP characters is to happen beyond a cramped up page, leniency in following the rule to the letter might have to be done, if not the rule needing to be ignored completely —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.9.65.2 ( talk) 08:01, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
So Straw Hats get no article cause if they are moved, this page no longer counts as notable??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.28.215.142 ( talk) 17:13, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
Guys, you should just give up. Goodraise has an answer for everything, which makes him correct. Important information is something we just don't need; he's doing us a service by cramming all the characters on to one page. If only someone would tell those jerks at the One Piece wiki to summarize all of the information they have into a single page...that would be so much better. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.30.37.126 ( talk) 08:48, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
Does the condensation of the One Piece character pages remind anyone else of this? http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Piece —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.30.37.126 ( talk) 13:01, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
Characters like Smoker I would hardly call antagonists. When I hear that word I think the big bad boss that luffy fights at the end of a story arc. Characters like Smoker, Tashigi, Blackbeard, Bartholomew Kuma, and Aokiji are not antagonists if we follow my definition; at least, they aren't antagonists yet. I would like to move those characters to an others section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.84.108.255 ( talk) 22:56, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
Okay, I understand that for some people it's easier to say, "there's not enough info to have an individual page" because hardly anyone that I know really looks at this, but here's a simple fact: there's a lot more info than is listed.
The Straw Hat (Mugiwara) Pirates article alone should be separate for at least two reasons: One, the pirates have much more to there character than is there and there are few (if any) links to individual pages, and Two, the Crew have a lot of story line together that would be missed by individual pages alone without making the article far too long. This means that anyone trying to look into the series without reading and/or watching it would miss much about it or start reading it for a different reason and end up dropping it through disappointment. I hope this sheds some light, as I was looking for the chapters when we first meet Franky and when he actually joins, only now coming across the new character that I won't get to meet for a while, though I don't even know when. If you actually read this, thanks because hardly anyone has ever actually listened to me through these things before. ^^ Hope this helps! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.93.211.240 ( talk) 01:12, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
It would seem that quite a lot of people are against this merge then. But most of which argue for almost emotional reasons. I don't think it's fair that Goodraise and Kraftlos should bee antagonized because they supported the merger, and the discussion should be an adult one. However, I also feel that there some major flaws in merging all of the One Piece articles into a list, with the exception of Monkey D. Luffy. For example, the argument is that the only character who meets Wikipedia guidelines is Luffy. This would have have been granted if it were in fact true. The fact that some of the One Piece characters which are now merged into a massive list of characters ignores that they have indeed been recognized by the outside world, in terms of Shonen Jump character lists (and I think that does count), merchandise and reviews from anime websites (By that I don't mean message boards). Perhaps it's the neglect of utilizing this information is from all our parts, neglected. Which is a bit of a shame. I also find amazing that List of Naruto antagonists had received a featured article, but that also has do with the reviews and the fandom, even on said antagonists. Finding some for One Piece with the expection of Luffy is admittedly, rare. However, that is not to say they do not exist. Basically, I think that the Merging of the Straw Hats' separate articles was rushed, especially for an ongoing manga series, and there should be a separate list of One Piece antagonists. If I (or anyone else who argues among similar lines) cannot find any outside references to the characters within One Piece, then I'll accept things the way they are. I hope youl agree with this. Uglyguy2006 ( talk) 08:58, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
A lot of the stuff I still see is plot related that needs verification (not notability for the real-world impact). Does that mean we should be slapping {{cite book}} or {{cite video}} on stuff because that's the most appropriate way to show verification showing appropriate page number(s)/timeframe as appropriate (which for some elements it's not) or what? じん ない 15:22, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
One Piece has more recurring characters than Naruto and Bleach combined, and yet both of those series get two or more perfectly valid character lists. There really should be an actual discussion about splitting this that involves more users than Kraftlos and Goodraise. Someone go make a RfC or something so this page can get some fresh opinions. - Norse Am Legend ( talk) 20:58, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
Repetition, Repetition. Needs more speakers from both sides. More intellectual speakers on one side so they don't sound like complainers, and more speakers on the other so they don't sound like a grumpy conservative select few. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.177.201.94 ( talk) 03:10, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
Hello :) I added an external link to this page, but it was very smoothly and quickly edited out again and I don't understand why. The link is to my site and there's nothing inappropriate on it as far as I can tell. It's about the friendship of Sanji and Zoro, but seeing as how they don't have separate pages, I don't know where else to put it. Can someone tell me how I'm supposed to add a link here? There was no External links category btw so I tried adding one and it worked, only I found my efforts quickly negated. It's just like the IMDB, you take the time to improve a page and as a token of gratitude, people just delete what you worked on without a word. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nidieuxnimaitres ( talk • contribs) 21:08, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
1. How is this one masive list any good idea? Do you know how long the page loaded for me and stil was not lodead?
2. How exactely do you need third party sources for the characters so far as the characters go? Is an own volume question and answer column from the author is not enough to verify whatever you need ? And sorry, but when you do an article about an anime/manga/whatever, the series in itself is good enough reference for most things in my book. We are truly trying to make things overly complicated, aren't we?
Also, sub note. I realy love how this page is about as informative as absolutely nothing. Missing major characters and protagonist images aside, aply these same criteria to an america related series article like, I dunno, Superman and see where that gets you .
-- New Babylon 2 ( talk) 22:16, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
I have a friend who would like to suggest a change... "The real name of the ship is Merry Go, not Going Merry." I have changed it for him; seeing as I have no knowlege of this subject, I trust his. Please leave a comment on my talk page if this is incorrect... Comfortably numb55 ( talk) 22:44, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
Basically, in Japanese it's called Going Merry-go, the "-go" is a suffix similar to -san or -kun, but is for ships. Its really translated name is supose to be "The Going Merry" the crew refer to it as "Merry" sometimes as well. In the Viz and 4kids Translations it was translated to Merry Go. 4kids did as a pun on "Merry Go Rounds", and Viz did the translation to be more close to the Anime dub at the time. Zoro's name was change to Zolo for similar reasons. But the current Anime Dub by FUNimation is going with the "Going Merry" Translation. Also many fan subbing and translation groups go with "Going Merry". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.129.85.73 ( talk) 17:54, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
Who is the 4Kids voice actor of Wapol? Is it Matt Hoverman or Sean Schemmel or perhaps even both? The various user-editable websites disagree on who it is. The credits should be in the dub episode #48 "Saving Nami", which first aired August 27, 2005 and was released on the DVD "Volume 11: Tony Tony Chopper" on October 30, 2007. Would be great if anyone could look this up. Thanks, -- Goodraise ( talk) 23:03, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
I dunno if this would help any, but in the commentary for One Piece: Season 1 3rd Voyage Eric Vale had this to say about Sanji;
When thinking about Sanji's voice he thinks about how angry Sanji is from his past. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.129.85.73 ( talk) 00:28, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
The article states that Sanji fights exclusively with his feet, but is it not true that he used kitchen knifes in one fight as a means to defeat a man made of noodles? (He willingly did this as he was "practically fighting food" so it wouldn't be 'misuse' of kitchen applicances.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.213.105.58 ( talk) 23:46, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
Isn't Nero a member of CP9? See chapter 369, page 3. It clearly states that the 3rd car holds CP9 member "Sea Weasel, 'Nero'" (page 17) and it's stated in chapter 373 that he's the new-guy who knows four forms and is invited by 'Corgi'. Ge4ce ( talk) 13:42, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
"...and they finally and officially join the crew, which is marked by Oda through a chapter title paged devoted to that character." Ignoring the typo, not all of the Strawhat Pirates have their first title page in the chapter which they join. Nami's first title page is on Chapter 10, in which she still hasn't made an alliance with Luffy. She doesn't do that until Chapter 14, but it's title page is devoted to Luffy, and she doesn't officially join his crew until chapter 94. Between those chapters, she is still on many title pages. (Sorry if I don't have citations for proof of this.) I think that the latter part of the quote should be removed. Spandumb ( talk) 19:40, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
For the reasons above, I give this article a pass to B-Class. I must disclose that I was involved in major merges last year, however I really haven't been involved much with the content of this page aside from watching it. I think Goodraise and a good number of other contributors have done a good job with this page. This puts the article in the top 2% of Anime articles on Wikipedia. Onward and Upward! -- Kraftlos ( Talk | Contrib) 03:33, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
According to the One Piece wikia, Viz's manga uses the spelling Jimbei. Is that not true, and if it is shouldn't that be the name used in the article? The Splendiferous Gegiford ( talk) 23:38, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
why arent the 11 supernovas on the list? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.74.214.19 ( talk) 19:09, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
I love the unique variety and mythos of the many tattoos found in the One Piece world. I would like to see the character pages include a section for their tattoo(s) and the stories behind them (if known), such as Nami's, or the Fishmen pirates.
68.98.200.163 ( talk) 17:24, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
Why isn't Monkey D. Dragon given a spot in the character list? Indigo child 03:00, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
Mr. 3 doesn't have his Japanese name anywhere that he's mentioned in this list? Is there any particular reason why? - Sukecchi ( talk) 12:25, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
Shouldn't all the groups be sub-scetions of "other characters" per standard wikipiedia format? 陣 内 Jinnai 19:00, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
"I also believe the 11 Supernovas should recieve their own article." Not unless they have received significant coverage by third party reliable sources. Active Banana ( talk) 00:19, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
Why both Sadie-chan and Saldeath Chief Guard? Sadie-chan is gokusotsuchou (獄卒長) and gokusotsu means torturer so shouldn't she be Chief Torturer? Saldeath is roubanchou (牢番長), rouban means prison guard so I think Chief Guard is allright. And Domino, she is fukukanshuchou (副看守長). She should be Vice Chief Jailer, not a normal guard. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.59.40.85 ( talk) 15:28, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
It should be added the Portgas D. Ace has died —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.152.174.108 ( talk) 22:59, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
Too answer your question Indigochild, sadly yes, he dies at the end of chapter 574 :'( —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.152.174.108 ( talk) 01:35, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
Okay guys , the fact of the matter is this page is just to damn big . I would propose , just like in the case of Naruto charatcers list , to split this article at least into Characters and Villians/Antagonists . I'm sure you will quote a lot of acronyms instead of an answer , but it's a simple fact this page is both out of date , disorganised and overly long . -- New Babylon 2 ( talk) 21:40, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
Logically speaking, if Eneru can detect electricity, he should be able to predict people's movements through "reading" their brain waves, since those are just miniscule amounts of electricity. Does anyone else agree? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.68.43.102 ( talk) 00:45, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
I was wondering why there was no mention of a similarity to The Rocky Horror Picture Show's Dr. Frank-N-Furter -- 69.232.189.175 ( talk) 07:13, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
I'm of the opinion that Nefertari Vivi is about 16-17, for a couple of reasons. 1, Dr. Kureha is supposed to be 139, coming on 140 in the present, but in the flashback, she's 133, six years younger. 2, in a conversation between Dalton, Kuromarimo, and Chess, Dalton refers to Nefertari Vivi as "a ten year old girl" while talking about how then-king Wapol (and their boss) had treated Nefertari Vivi. I found Dr. Kureha's age-in flashback and Dalton's conversation in OnePiece volume 16, and I think her age at present can be found in one of the two preceding volumes.
Does anyone agree with me? Jds500 ( talk) 18:15, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
The crew allied with him were 43, not 42. See here: http://www. onemanga.com/One_Piece/551/12-13/. AndreaFox2 ( talk) 12:07, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
it's "zolo" not "zoro" right? that's what I find in the english shonen jump manga, if you don't believe me, check it yourself. also, if there's a japanese spelling of "zolo" (not that there necessarily is), then shouldn't that be in the japanese article (if any) not here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jds500 ( talk • contribs) 00:04, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
Here's my opinion. I buy and read the English manga (which is translated by Viz Media), and I buy and watch the English DVDs (which is dubbed by FUNimation). Viz Media translates his name as "Zolo", but FUNimation translates his name as "Zoro". The "List of One Piece characters" article goes by the FUNimation translations. Therefore, his name should remain as "Zoro". I respect Jds500's opinion, but the entire article goes by the English FUNimation translations. Rico70 ( talk) 09:13, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
Okeydokey, I think I'm sold. it looks like "zoro" is used more, but it might be helpful to make sure that it's mentioned that "zoro" is the funimation (and/or anything else that also uses "zoro") translation and is used more worldwide, but to also mention "zolo" is used in english manga, but isn't used as much so it's mentioned, but not used in the article. That way, other people (you're not the only ones using "zoro" and I'm not the only one using "zolo") should be happy: you use the (apparently) more correct name, but you acknowledge that "zolo" is used, instead of having everybody fight over names so virtually everybody(you can never please EVERYBODY) should be happy.
Basically, keep using "zoro", just make sure you mention that it's one of two translations, and apparently more correct than the other so you use it here, as well as mentioning the "zolo" translation as being less used, etc. making sure you mention it's the english manga version of his name, and I'll be good. Jds500 ( talk) 15:45, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
in the archive that goodraise linked to, there was a argument about the relative strengths of luffy, zoro/zolo, and sanji, did that get resolved? i was wondering because i saw the arguement, but nothing about relative strengths in the list of characters Jds500 ( talk) 16:13, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
Hi, I just finished (phew) going through the characters and fixing any grammar and wording errors, and attempting to get rid of redundancy within character bios. Tell me if I screwed anything up... especially if I messed up the information, so we can discuss it... Jds500 ( talk) 22:57, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
nicknamed "Yellow Monkey" (黄色人種, Ōshoku Jinshu).
Such nickname doesn't exist in a Japanese version. The cartoon is stolen from Japan. And, the content is falsified by a malignant translator. 60.39.41.134 ( talk) 23:52, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
ummm, his "diamble jamble" doesn't put his foot on fire, it mkes it red hot. 70.241.16.91 ( talk) 17:47, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
I would like to request that we do a revote for both Don Krieg and Wapol's sections. Only two people put down votes and it was already declared over. I think they need more time to get more votes especially since I think they deserve to be their own sections since they were both main antagonists of arcs. - SuperTiencha ( talk) 15:33, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
shouldn't there be a section for the newfishman pirates (hody/hodi, darumake, vander decken, etc.)? Thornydevil Munchies? 03:04, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
He's had the most panel time of the Vice Admirals and for plot significance he was one of the leaders of the Buster Call on Enies Lobby, transported Luffy to Impel Down, and after the timeskip he sent Sentomaru and the Pacifistas after the Strawhats. I believe that he deserves a seperate section. 174.3.181.136 ( talk) 22:22, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
I'm supposed to discuss it on the Straw poll page? 174.3.181.136 ( talk) 23:13, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
Eiichiro Oda have the great pleasure of releasing databooks that shows names of ships, characters and other stuffs that are not shown in the manga. But what it matters here is the correct characters' names that was showed in those databooks and now, wikipedia needs to have the accurate info about every article, this must be changed:
I tried twice to change to the right way but the user Sjones23 undo the changes that I did by no reason. Can you consider to change them?. Thanks DragonNJMB ( talk) 07:37, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
Fisher Tiger was once a slave to the World Nobles and freed other fishmen/mermen/Boa and her two sisters. With that, the Sun Pirates were created their own insignia to cover the Celestial Dragon slave brand. Fishiesnap ( talk) 04:44, 6 December 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fishiesnap ( talk • contribs) 04:41, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
A lot has happened since they've been merged. Funimation's DVD releases and Viz' accelerated publishing schedule have resulted in a whole new wave of reviews. It shows in the sections of these two characters. Back then, I was a strong proponent of these two merges. Now I'm on the fence and curious what others think. Is it time to unmerge theses two? Good raise 04:57, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
As a note, I have created a sandbox for Nami here. Darth Sjones23 ( talk - contributions) 17:01, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
The last time this was discussed, 4Kids had stopped dubbing, Funimation had only just begun dubbing and subbing, and Viz wasn't too far with their English adaptation of the manga either. That made it difficult to decide which names to use primarily. Since I don't read/watch any of these versions, my native language being German, I don't really care which is used, but I think we should decide on one and stick with it throughout this article at the very least. I assume Funimation's dub and sub don't differ. That leaves the choice between them and Viz' manga. Last time, if I recall correctly, we more or less decided on using Funimation's subs, since they had just started doing new episodes, thus providing us with the only available non-fan-made terminology for a lot of characters. Seeing as Viz will eventually overtake Funimation when it catches up to the Japanese manga, and because the manga is the primary medium (we don't cover filler characters in this list either), I think we should consider switching to Viz' names. Opinions? Good raise 14:25, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
English manga name (if that's what is used primarily)/second version/third version. ? Heck froze over ( talk) 21:49, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
I read parts of the archive for: specific split discussions [2] [3] [4], a thread on organizing characters, and another on splitting, and as far as I can tell many characters were kept (and are still being added) due to personal opinion of who is and is not important. I may be ahead of myself in saying this, but I see that a large majority of the current list lacks notability, and even characters entirely unimportant (no real-world refs, nor plot relation) have recently been included. Can we discuss a definite line on what is really necessary here and carry the article with that? Spindori ( talk) 14:48, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
If most of the character lists weren't merged pointlessly then this wouldn't even be a issue Gune ( talk) 03:20, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
I think you mean none at all since it was fine how it was before. Gune ( talk) 19:58, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
Just as an idea, what about showing the straw hats, and any characters not part of or not shown only as part of any particular group or syndicate, on this page, and making new pages, then linking to seperate pages for other groups, like cp-9 or baroque works, listing them in this page, but also mentioning briefly various characters that were former members (nico robin for example, in baroque works). For example:
straw hat crew monkey d. luffy: blahblahblah roronoa zolo : blahblahblah nami: blahblahblah etc.
characters not in any organization: sir croc: blahblahblah bon clay: blahblahblah crocus: blahblahblah gol d. roger: blahblahblah etc.
labeled link to page for cp-9 labeled link to baroque works etc.
Jds500 ( talk) 23:56, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
ahhh well.... why not use the sources from this article? they should work right? Jds500 ( talk) 22:53, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
Discussing how much space should be used for which character is pretty pointless, unless we first get to a consensus on how big this page should be. Based on WP:SIZERULE, I'd say we should aim for a size of 80 to 90 kilobyte. Would that be acceptable? Good raise 00:07, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
Just a reminder. We're supposed to write from the perspective of the reader, not from the perspective of the characters. (See WP:INUNIVERSE.)
These are all examples of what not to write. Cheers, Good raise 22:06, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
Shanks losing his arm. Present or past? In the anime it's a flashback. In the manga it isn't. It's difficult for me as a reader to not think of the Ohara Incident as an event of the past, but that's what we have to do when writing about it. Good raise 22:50, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
would it make sense for flashbacks be denoted as:
in a flashback: blahblah does this and that,
back in the present: blahblah does this and that,
Also, how should the two year time skip be handled?
Heck froze over (
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22:07, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
Each Strawhat Pirate should have its page.-- ToonsFan ( talk) 10:39, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
Support. If primary characters in other series, like Naruto, can have their own pages, I see no reason why the primary characters for this series should be any different. If sources/citations are a problem, couldn't you just use the ones currently used for the current character list, but just including more info? Heck froze over ( talk) 21:51, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
I have made a big mistake and I apologize. I should have known better. By preceding my initial response to the proposal with a bolded summary of my position (see my comment from 12:04, 30 October 2011 (UTC)), I derailed this discussion. I suppose I got into the habit after the straw poll a few sections up turned out to be such a productive tool for reaching consensus regarding all those supporting characters. However, content decisions on Wikipedia are not reached by counting votes. Editors can cast votes on this page as much as they like, but it won't decide the outcome of this discussion, because that's what we are having here, a discussion. (See WP:NOTDEMOCRACY.) I hope I'll be able to fix my mistake by adding section headers and notes. Anyway, what will decide the outcome of this discussion is the quality of arguments brought forward. So, if anyone has valid arguments for creating pages for each Straw Hat, here (right below this comment) is the place. Thus far, I've heard none. Good raise 14:23, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
I think this article would benefit if we decided on a few conventions to follow. Feel free to attach your own proposals to this thread. Good raise 20:03, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
I suggest we provide voice actor information only for characters with a section of their own. If we try to give that information for all characters currently mentioned, we'll end up doubling the page size. We have to draw the line somewhere. Good raise 20:03, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
I suggest we limit providing the names of Devil Fruits a character has eaten to characters who don't necessarily have a section of their own, but are discussed in several sentences. It seems rather silly to me when more words are spent listing all the names of a character and his or her Devil Fruit in the various versions than on the character him- or herself. Good raise 20:03, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
I think he should be referred to as Gold Roger. If there was a whole article about him, it would be located at Gold Roger per WP:COMMONNAME. It's enough to note his "real" name in the first sentence of his section. Good raise 20:03, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
I've noticed a significant amount of reception for the character. If I can bring enough references, would anyone be opposed to the character receiving his own article? Redbird 41 ( talk) 17:45, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
There should be a section of Sabo? Is an important character in the series.-- ToonsFan ( talk) 16:24, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
Both Angel Island and Skypiea have small sections and its not very necessary to have them seperated. The information from both sections should be put together as one since Angel Island alone isn't significant enough to be its own section. - SuperTiencha ( talk) 03:37, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
There should be a Water 7 section on this list mentioning all of the major characters that were in the Water 7 and Enies Lobby arc. Iceburg, Kokoro, the Galley-La workers and the Frankey Brothers were all characters that were present during that whole major story arc of the series which lasted for around 100 episodes. We already have a section for Alabasta and Skypiea residents and those arcs were not as long. - SuperTiencha ( talk) 00:19, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
The One Piece anime is already over 500 episodes long. Mentioning every voice actor of every character in every version is out of the question for reasons of article size alone. We need to decide which of them to name based on considerations of due weight. To that end, I'd like to make the following proposals. Please discuss and add additional or alternate proposals below. Good raise 23:26, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
When an actor voices a character for hundreds of episodes and is substituted for only a handful of episodes by another voice actor, that other voice actor should not be mentioned. As it stands, some voice actors are mentioned who only contributed to a handful of episodes, while those of almost major characters like Rob Lucci and Magellan are not. The way I see it, that's a violation of WP:DUE. Good raise 23:26, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
Same as with short term substitutes, these should not be mentioned. Good raise 23:26, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
There is two English adaptations of the anime (three if we count Odex' dub). Considering that One Piece is primarily a manga, the anime being but an adaptation, I think we're skewing the article by going into so much detail on voice actors. We're not including anime only characters for basically the same reason. Good raise 23:26, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
There's lots of Japanese names and terms with their equivalents in the various English adaptations on this page. It's going too far. In that regard, I'd like to propose the following conventions. Good raise 19:47, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
I propose we provide only the terms and names used in Viz Media's English manga adaptation (plus kanji and romaji) for everything that isn't the name of a character. This list is about characters, not devil fruits, islands, groups, abilities, etc. It's not supposed to be an index of terminology used in the various versions. Good raise 19:47, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
Each character should be given due weight. For some characters that's a whole section. For some it's a few sentences. For some it's mentioning them. For some it's not mentioning them at all. I think it would only be consistent to limit mentioning name variations to characters with sections of their own. Good raise 19:47, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
Tokyo Mew Mew has, just like One Piece, received the 4Kids "americanization" treatment. List of Tokyo Mew Mew characters is, I think, treating the issue sensibly by mentioning name changes along with naming the voice actors. That has several advantages.
Therefore, I think we should imitate that list's wording in regard to voice actor information and use it wherever possible. Specifically, I think we should use the following variations (and only those wherever circumstances don't make it impossible).
Good raise 19:47, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
Recommend for English voice actors whose names are a spelling difference and not something major like Captain Smoker to Captain Chaser.
Also might mention the manga where appropriate as they still use Zolo and some of the 4Kids spellings on their volumes. I haven't gotten to the part where they might have switched over. AngusWOOF ( talk) 17:26, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
Should some of the characters be labeled as antagonists, as can be seen here? What speaks for it, what against it? Good raise 06:47, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
What happened to the Usopp article why was it taken down? The page had a quite a few sources and reception so their shouldn't have been any reason for it to be taken down. I think it should be brought back. - SuperTiencha ( talk) 04:32, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
As the series gets longer, characters previously not prominent enough to merit a section may eventually do so. Likewise, characters who were important enough in the past, may no longer be. I think we should reevaluate the status of the following characters. Feel free to bring up other characters as well. Good raise 20:00, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
He continues to show up. First at Sabaody, then at Marine Ford, and now again as a Warlord in the New World. I think it's time for him to get a section of his own. Good raise 20:00, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
Jango was a major character back in East Blue (when the series was still very short), during the Grand Line part he became somewhat recurring, but now his last significant appearance is a long while back. Devoting a whole section to him seems too much, especially considering that Don Krieg, Wapol, Magellan, and even Rob Lucci (all primary antagonists in their respective story lines) are discussed in less detail. Good raise 20:00, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
Caesar Clown is a recent major antagonist of the Straw Hat Pirates when they arrive at Punk Hazard and was working for Vegapunk. I think a section devoted to him should be added. Lord Sjones23 ( talk - contributions) 22:32, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
I believe that he should be put into a section for all of the Punk Hazard inhabitants. Though his arc is still going right now, he is for now a single arc character and he probably will be like Wapol, Don Krieg, Magellan, Rob Lucci, Kuro, etc. - SuperTiencha ( talk) 00:13, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
In robin's summary it says she needs to be able to see what she is sprouting her limbs from, but you can see several times throughout One Piece that she has been looking away from the surface or has had her eyes closed while sprouting her limbs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.183.86.239 ( talk) 06:38, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
It should create a section of The Eleven Supernovas?-- HeinzDoofenshmirtz ( talk) 17:45, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
Should we use the depiction of the Straw Hats from the 2009 or from the 2012 calendar or both (similar to List of Naruto characters)? Both can currently be seen at File:Main characters of One Piece.png. Good raise 22:19, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
Chuck was the voice of Luffy and Usopp in only season 2. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.147.56.74 ( talk) 18:37, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
Correct me if I am wrong, but a few weeks ago or so, the ToC Limit was removed from the article. There is some concern that the ToC is much easier to navigate with sections. But rather than getting involved in an edit war, I am taking the WP:BRD route and decided to open a discussion here. Should we include the ToC limit template in the article or not? Lord Sjones23 ( talk - contributions) 00:30, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
What are other editors thoughts on the characters that were recently added by HeinzDoofenshmirtz ( talk · contribs), the Bellamy Pirates, Sabo, Caesar Clown and Dressrosa? I still think Bellamy, Sabo, Caesar Clown and some the Dressrosa characters are notable enough on its own as major characters, but some of the other characters are not notable. Lord Sjones23 ( talk - contributions) 20:57, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
I have been thinking about nominating this as an FLC for some time now. The obvious issues that need to be fixed are to find some sources for the creation and conception section. If anyone else has suggestions on this, please let me know. Thanks, Lord Sjones23 ( talk - contributions) 05:52, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
I think we should create a page for Usopp, Sanji, Tony Tony Chopper, Nico Robin, Franky, and Brook since I did see the rest of the Main Characters from Shōnen Jump's Dragon Ball series, Naruto series, and Bleach have theirs pages in Wikipedia, but, I think they should deserves to have their own page in Wikipedia and plus, that they also appeared in alot of large role in One Piece series. DigiPen92 ( talk) 05:25, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
I take it that Viz's names have been used for romanization when in doubt, but Oda actually wrote Ace's name, not in katakana but the Latin script in chapter 590 and it was "Portgas D. Ace", surely how the author spells it trumps how a company trying to localize it does. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FamAD123 ( talk • contribs) 23:18, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
That didn't really answer my question, if the author himself wrote it one way, why is the website using another? FamAD123 ( talk) 15:52, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
Wikipedia uses the English spellings of names even if they are wrong. Though the argument that more people would recognize a Viz spelling is stupid due to the amount of people reading illegally online. Gune ( talk) 20:14, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
Viz wouldn't listen. It isn't just Viz anyway. Funimation does it too. Besides, it still doesn't solve the which version they would know more issue. Gune ( talk) 18:05, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
Another example of why Viz isn't a good company then. Gune ( talk) 00:01, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
In the One Piece series, there are several protagonists (nine in fact), though only one (Luffy) is the primary one. Several articles that have main characters or protagonists have been debated for some time now. The main character link redirects to the protagonist link. In Super Sentai for example, there are protagonist groups and we refer to them as the protagonists of each series. Since the Straw Hats are a group which equally share the role of the protagonist as with Luffy, I think we should refer to them as the protagonists. Thoughts or objections? Lord Sjones23 ( talk - contributions) 03:21, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
The definition of protagonist means a main character. Luffy is the lead character and everybody else in the Straw Hats crew are main characters as well. I said this many times. A protagonist ISN'T a group of characters. It should be reverted back to the way I wrote it. JoesphBarbaro ( talk) 12:07, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
1. It is WATER LAW. You need to be an idiot to not realise that it is supposed to be "Water", since his name is a reference to Waterloo. Watel doesnt make any sense
2. Why delete the section for Bartolomeo? He is a notable character for multiple reasons, and he contributed to the plot. Less relevant characters have sections.-- 109.166.130.162 ( talk) 09:51, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
3. Why doesn't Koala have her own section? She is only mentioned in the section on the revolutionary army but there is more relevant information about her that isn't written there. As I don't know where in the page to post this I am writing it here. Please tell me where this should really be for any future suggestions. Ximoquim ( talk) 01:26, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Should we mention the Straw Hat Pirates as main characters or protagonists? Lord Sjones23 ( talk - contributions) 03:42, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
I think it's time to incude Sabo and Bartolomeo in the article but we still need a consensus to add them. It was originally added without consensus, but I am opening a discusion here to see if we can include the article. Please state whether you would support, oppose or remain neutral on these inclusions.
From the article:
Several characters have been stated to be based on actual people, such as Whitebeard being based on the owner of a bar where Oda used to go.
Looking for a source for this, I found that several websites attribute this or similar claims to One Piece: Yellow, but none ever provide a page number or ISBN, which makes me a bit suspicious. Can anyone confirm that this is actually in the source, and not a case of "all the fansites trusting each other"? Good raise 02:44, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
Obviously fake. It isn't even on the One Piece wiki. Gune ( talk) 20:16, 11 April 2015 (UTC)