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Move to a different titleOffspring members. Regarding the parent article (
The Offspring), the in the title can be justified as necessary disambiguation because of conflict with the primary topic
offspring. Capitalisation would disambiguate this. My view is that capitalisation for disambiguation is rarely the best option but is probably workable here. Offspring (band) is also an option. Depending on context, it is perfectly natural to refer to the band either with or without the definite article. Regardless, it begs the question as to whether
The Offspring is the best title. To this article, it is
WP:CONSISTENT with List of X band members but this falls to
WP:OTHERTHINGS. Per
WP:AT,
WP:CONCISE generally has primacy among the considerations for choosing an article title. This pattern is not concise compared with X members and I don't see where it would be necessary to add band to the shorter pattern. If it were, this would be an exception rather than the rule. I also don't see why the is necessary just because it may be used in the parent article title - again, this is a matter of concision. To the nominated target, List of The Offspring band members, it would be perfectly natural and more concise to write List of Offspring band members and the same could be said of most all other articles using this pattern. Again, if the was necessary (eg List of the Band band members - which isn't a WP article), this should be the exception rater than the rule. Similarly, there is no good reason to use band members in the pattern when members is sufficient. To capitalisation of the in the Offspring, I see no good reason per
MOS:CAPS to do so when not even the band does -at least not consistently. See the album cover for
Ignition (The Offspring album).
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move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Move to a different titleOffspring members. Regarding the parent article (
The Offspring), the in the title can be justified as necessary disambiguation because of conflict with the primary topic
offspring. Capitalisation would disambiguate this. My view is that capitalisation for disambiguation is rarely the best option but is probably workable here. Offspring (band) is also an option. Depending on context, it is perfectly natural to refer to the band either with or without the definite article. Regardless, it begs the question as to whether
The Offspring is the best title. To this article, it is
WP:CONSISTENT with List of X band members but this falls to
WP:OTHERTHINGS. Per
WP:AT,
WP:CONCISE generally has primacy among the considerations for choosing an article title. This pattern is not concise compared with X members and I don't see where it would be necessary to add band to the shorter pattern. If it were, this would be an exception rather than the rule. I also don't see why the is necessary just because it may be used in the parent article title - again, this is a matter of concision. To the nominated target, List of The Offspring band members, it would be perfectly natural and more concise to write List of Offspring band members and the same could be said of most all other articles using this pattern. Again, if the was necessary (eg List of the Band band members - which isn't a WP article), this should be the exception rater than the rule. Similarly, there is no good reason to use band members in the pattern when members is sufficient. To capitalisation of the in the Offspring, I see no good reason per
MOS:CAPS to do so when not even the band does -at least not consistently. See the album cover for
Ignition (The Offspring album).
Cinderella157 (
talk)
02:16, 19 August 2023 (UTC)reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.