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I don't think the color of Allelujah's pupils change when his alternate personality surfaces. If you watch closely, he shifts his hair from one side of his face to the other. I suspect that his left eye is gray/blue, and his right eye is yellow, and his hair will always cover one side of his face. I won't change it yet, in case there's footage that contradicts my theory, but let me know what you guys think. 68.148.224.47 21:48, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
I've carefully reviewed the footage frame-by-frame. In all instances, Allelujah's left iris is shown as grey and his right iris is golden. I will edit the page to reflect this, but (of course), if anyone finds an instance that contradicts this feel free to change it back. 24.18.141.57 08:46, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
I don't think it's appropriate to link Kurdistan from this until more reliable evidence surfaces in the series... -- Koveras ☭ 12:35, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
On the official website ( http://www.gundam00.net/character/index.html), Setsuna's profile states:
内戦が続く中東のクルジス共和国で生まれ育った運命の少年兵。接近戦型ガンダムエクシアのパイロット。 私設武装組織ソレスタルビーイングのガンダムマイスターとして世界紛争撲滅のための作戦行動に従事していく。他者との馴れ合いを嫌い、自分の感情を表に出さないクールな少年。16歳という実年齢より幼く見える。
クルジス共和国 = Kurdish Republic. (Corrected as Pan Sola suggests.) Fallacies 12:15, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Removed reference to Shinn; this is a new series, folks. In addition, such "resemblance" is up to discussion, and therefore shouldn't be presented as fact. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.200.181.98 ( talk) 00:37, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
Is that inferred from the show or explicitly told somewhere? From my perspective, all that can be confirmed was that at age of 14 10, he was saved by "Gundam 0" (not sure if the organization Celestial Being even existed at that time), and at age of 16 he is a pilot. I don't know when his potential was discovered. I don't know whether Gundam 0 took him in on the day it saved him, or if he chased the Gundam to a local hideout and pleaded Gundam 0's pilot to take him in or a dozen other possible scenarios of how he might've joined. -
Pan Sola
21:40, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
I've already added this in a discussion page of Saji Crossroad, but nobody bothered looking at it, so I'm putting it here.
Is someone gonna add a section of Saji's personality? SilentmanX ( talk) 23:42, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
Is Übermensch a valid translation for Choujin? Fallacies 08:38, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
Setsuna F. Seiei (刹那・F・セイエイ)
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Having been discovered by Celestial Being at the age of 14 for having special potential as a pilot, he is currently a Gundam Meister for their organization. He can be described as taciturn and comes off as a knowledgeable young man. Resides in Japan when not on Celestial Being duties. Episode 7 of the anime reveals that Setsuna's real name may be Sora or Soran, and that he murdered his own mother under Sarshes' influence. |
Lockon Stratos (ロックオン・ストラトス)
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Decided to join Celestial Being after losing his parents to terrorists in Ireland. He is the eldest pilot and team leader of the Gundam Meisters. He owns an orange Haro. [2] |
To compress the vertical length of the article. Thoughts? Or too messy? It wouldn't be applied everywhere, obviously, as certain sections have insufficient content to justify use of the format, and others have pictures (like above Setsuna's actual entry) that make the table have a bad fit.
Fallacies (
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19:52, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
What's the romanization rule on Chinese names appearing in Japanese fiction? Do we look at the kanji and figure out how it would've been romanized in Mandarin pronouncation, or do we just romanize the Japanese pronunciation of the name? "Wang Liu Mei" and "Wan Ryūmin" don't quite sound the same... - Pan Sola 23:51, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
Eh, the original entry was fine. I don't know that such a rule exists, but I modified the language tag to include most of the information you would really need. - Fallacies ( talk) 04:21, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
He is the main engineer of Celestial Being and the former chief engineer of AEU.
Where is this shown or stated?
Fallacies
14:28, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
It appears that Alejandro and Libbons are related to the Trinity siblings and the Gundam Thrones. Although not official, there are hints which supports it. In episode 16, Alejandro seems to be persuading the other CB members to accept the Gundam Thrones, and he smiled when the other observers accepts them. In episode 18, when the crew of Ptolemaios were talking about the possiblity that Veda was hacked, Libbons' image was shown. Does anyone agree that the might be related to the Trinity siblings and Gundam Thrones? ( 142.232.8.5 ( talk) 00:10, 12 February 2008 (UTC))
Given that Veda is an AI, shouldn't it be considered a character and thus listed her rather than merely being given brief mentions in other characters' profiles? 71.203.209.0 ( talk) 06:19, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
I would agree with this when/if they ever show Veda thinking/speaking. Until then Veda is really just a tool that is used by the team. 69.243.158.192 ( talk) 16:50, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
Can it be confirmed that Trinity is actually part of Celestial Being and/or that the Trinity siblings are in fact (as the article claims) a "second team of Gundam Meisters". I have added a fact tag to this claim, as the article provides no source.
Setsuna and the other Meisters actually doubt Trinity's allegiances as well, and the last episode in which they attacked civilians unprovokedly seems to have only furthered this conclusion. At very least, Veda was hacked as this is stated by Johann, Tieria, and a few other characters in Episode 19. If they are part of Celestial Being, why would they need to hack their own computer? Why would Veda not have data on their units if they are part of 'the plan'? What about the sinister UN guy that obviously has some sort of stolen Celestial Being technology? For all we know, Alejandro Corner = Ragna and he is manipulating the Trinity family into doing his dirty work (such as killing Aifman once he learned too much and taking out his political enemies such as Louise's parents).
Until such time that either the series confirms that they are part of Celestial Being or someone can provide a source to it, I believe they should be considered a separate faction. 69.243.158.192 ( talk) 04:39, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Please leave the current names as they are, unless you have obtained any official statement or source that corrects them, as the current names are official (Aker, Tsery, Ribbons, Saachez etc etc). 165.21.154.91 ( talk) 14:31, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
As per the AfD at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Gundam 00 Characters, this article has been renamed to the proper name of List of Mobile Suit Gundam 00 characters. This is in keeping with the anime/manga project and general Wikipedia naming conventions. AnmaFinotera ( talk) 01:25, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
I have marked Setsuna F. Seiei, Lockon Stratos, Allelujah Haptism, and Tieria Erde. These articles fails WP:FICT and WP:NOTE and do not contain any out-of-universe information. They are primarily plot summaries, which fails WP:NOT, and contain no reliable third-party sources. -- Farix ( Talk) 11:59, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
I feel that Allelujah Haptism should remain its own page. The page hasn't had many updates recently due to the lack of development in the series currently. But he remains a main character and there is enough information for him to maintain his own page.-- MissEzri ( talk) 13:06, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Hey everybody, I just started an Anno Domini characters template just like they have for Universal Century and Cosmic Era. Feel free to add more characters to it as soon as they have their own article.
Shaneymike ( talk) 14:45, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I recently changed some of this section around--I removed the three character bios of the Trinity Team from the latter part of this article, and instead just mentioned the names of the three characters in the first line, since all of the character bios are copy and pasted over from the main Team Trinity article. SilentmanX ( talk · contribs) has reverted these changes.
I am now seeking consensus on how to proceed from here. Either we should place Team Trinity up for deletion and keep the character bios in this article, or we should place very limited (or no) bios on this page, and work to improve the Team Trinity page. Hobbeslover talk/ contribs 00:42, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
I know there is talk about merging the articles for the four Gundam meisters. My beef with that is most of the major Universal Century and Cosmic Era characters have their own individual articles. So far, the only Anno Domini characters who have articles are the Gundam Meisters and Team Trinity. I hope to see more articles for individual characters in the near future. I'd do it myself if I had enough information, but right now I'm sadly lacking. Some other characters who I think deserve an article are Ali Al-Saachez, Graham Acre, Alejandro Corner, Patrick Colasour, Marina Ismail. Shaneymike ( talk) 13:56, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
I noticed someone put (deceased) next to the Trinity siblings. I think this is good because it stands out to people reading the article that certain characters are dead. I have added these tags to Ali Al Saachez, Lockon, Christinia, Lichty, and Kinue Crossroad since they are all dead. I also added it to that annoying AEU 'ace pilot' guy. 69.243.158.192 ( talk) 23:00, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
Now that there has been sufficient time to discuss the proposal, I think we should close the discussion and either merge or remove the proposal and tags.-- Finalnight ( talk) 05:02, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
It's not that significant, but i think it won't hurt to mention it.... Is that really how his 'title' should be romanized?? Rasa??
From my point of view, it's should actually be 'Rasul', it's the Arabian word ford 'Prophet'. This is a bit daring though, since fundamentally, moslems based their religions as Muhammad being their last prophet... I just say this because to me, 'Rasa' seems to be meaningless...
If anyone knows anything else, anything official about it, could you please note that here... thanx Lolipedofin ( talk) 00:02, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
Are there any proposed ideas as to how the characters on this page will be sorted come Season 2? With organisations such as the A-Laws and Kataron usurping the previous AEU/HRL/Union military powers, and individuals such as Nena, Wang and Ribbons appearing to have defected from Celestial Being... things could get tricky. Moreover, how would one go about differentiating between the two Lockons (Neil and Lyle)? Season 2 premiered yesterday, so I believe that it'd be best to sort this out soon... Also, one more (slightly silly) question - would it be better to replace the main image of, for example, the Louise Halevy article to her more recent season 2 appearance as opposed to the original? 122.108.52.46 ( talk) 15:01, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
I added a discussion topic last week about this. We refer to them as A-Laws, but in the anime I heard the characters calling them Arrows. What are they really called? Arrows or A-Laws? SilentmanX ( talk) 19:35, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
This is incorrect.
1. It is called the Seravee Gundam, not the Gundam Seravee. Look at the official website if you don't believe me. Don't confuse which part of the name comes first.
2. He was not killed. Of his team of 2 Aheads and 3 GN-XIIIs, one GN-XIII exploded on its own due to heavy damage from the Ptolemy 2's missiles, another was destroyed by Seravee's GN Bazooka fire detonating the spread of GN particles made from the earlier missile fire. Of the 2 Aheads and the one remaining GN-XIII, Zinin's Ahead stayed behind and fought the Seravee while the other Ahead, which has a nameless faceless pilot, went on ahead. Zinin even said "Go ahead and attack the spaceship, I'll stay and deal with the Gundam". The Ahead and GN-XIII that went to attack the Ptolemy were destroyed by 00, the outcome of Zinin and Tieria's battle is not actually shown but Mileina reports that "enemy mobile suit is retreating". If you're going to make such an addition to the article, please be 100% sure it is accurate. It helps to actually pay attention to the episode as well.--
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I have an article of Klaus Grado that will be added soon, but requires more info.
So if possible, can you guys improve the article and add more info of him. I will also add more info of the character and try to improve the article. And if it is good enough then the article will be added on the List of Mobile Suit Gundam 00 characters. SilentmanX ( talk) 17:27, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
This is something I wanna make sure, is Regene Regetta a he or a she? SilentmanX ( talk) 14:52, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
Her official name is Kathy Mannequin. Also do you guys know her bio? SilentmanX ( talk) 00:23, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
Notation: No, her official name is Kati Manneqin. The "trading cards" that have her "name" on them have no official ties to Sunrise and what not, therefore they make up whatever spelling they want. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.205.75.234 ( talk) 01:55, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
I have another article that requires extended info and improvement before it can be added to the character's list. Can someone please help me on this? SilentmanX ( talk) 00:52, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
The official romanization of the organization カタロン is "Katharon".
Source: http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/6788/katharontf9.jpg
Just a sun ( talk) 13:39, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
Should I or Should I not make the Kinue Crossroad article?
SilentmanX ( talk) 21:00, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
I've been to that article few times now and I've notice that there's not much to put in now. If the article were to stay then it should have more info in it, if not then there's no point keeping it.
What's your say? SilentmanX ( talk) 01:56, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
I cleaned up the page by cutting back on the amount of text for characters who already have articles because it was far too long and extremely unnecessary. Please do not revert any more of these clean up edits.
I also propose that we omit any information on characters who already have pages, instead merely listing their names. The verbose length of the character "summaries" is excessive. If someone wishes to know more about the character, all they have to do is visit the article. This will dramatically cut down on the hefty size of the page. 122.108.95.9 ( talk) 20:26, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
It's pretty obvious that she's most probably Revive's twin, but right now we've only seen her with Celestial Being, so she should stay in that section of the article until otherwise confirmed.
Also, I put Linda Vashti back into the Krung Thep section (for those who don't know, Krung Thep is the name of Celestial Being's base at Lagrange 3) as she's yet to even be seen on the Ptolemaios. 114.76.119.166 ( talk) 06:16, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
It looks like you people don't even bother to use the discussion page or look at revision history. Also, it has NOT been confirmed that Divine is the remaining unidentified Innovator; until it's outright said in the show or in character profiles, it's still mere speculation. And again: as of the latest episode, Anew and Linda haven't even stepped foot on the Ptolemaios, so I have no idea where people are getting that info from. They work in Krung Thep, which is the name of CB's Lagrange 3 base (see the Krung Thep article for more info).
I really don't want to go around constantly nitpicking and editing every single tiny thing anymore, so this article can be filled with as many factual inconsistencies as you like. Not my loss. /ragequit, etc. 114.76.119.166 ( talk) 12:50, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
The article has Anew Returner as being a spy for the Innovators when she's mentioned in Revive's section, but I don't think that has been confirmed or hinted at in the series, so I'm going to remove it 66.76.155.2 ( talk) 21:15, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
Having the same character crop up twice causes a lot of confusion. We need to reorganize this page entirely, I propose we do it like the Code Geass character page, leaving the person affliation with their initial appearence - plau ( talk) 17:52, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
Will it be possible to do articles about the crew of the Krung Thep and the Fereshte, from the manga?
The nature of Innovators' genders is always a hot topic of debate, but right now it's best to judge them through pronoun usage. For reference, this is what is used for each Innovator so far revealed:
Ribbons: Masculine
Regene: Masculine
Revive: Masculine
Hilling: Feminine
Please refer to the discussion page more often. As for Hilling's name, I'm leaving it at Hilling because Healing is written differently in Japanese (hiiringu instead of hiringu), and it's entirely possible that her name is an intentional corruption of a preexisting word.
Officially, the only romanizations thus far released are Ribbons Almark and Regene Regetta.
122.104.93.58 ( talk) 10:34, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
I would say it's better to judge them without a gender, which in this case being the Innovators so far have been referred to as he. It is too much of an assumption to state there's she and he's.-- Refuteku ( talk) 19:44, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
I don't like the new layout of the character article, cause it looks like the one from that gundam wiki page, and it didn't look fully detailed.
What you think? - SilentmanX ( talk) 00:26, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
Please stick to the official names, not assumed, fan-made or fan-preferred names.
For example, it's Ribbons Almark and not Livonze Almack/ Livonse Almack. ( http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/3797/samplef37df739b97be76faue8.jpg)
Ralph Eifman and not Leif Eifman. ( http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/13/sample3d4c75c0c371e2961tc8.jpg)
Kati Mannequin and not Kathy Manekin. ( http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/13/sample3d4c75c0c371e2961tc8.jpg)
Please keep to these official names when editing. The Slimy One 04:07, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
Notation: Those names that you provided for Leif and Kati are not "official". The DVD Liner Notes (as well as the World Report book) have the correct spellings. Those cards have been known to have whacky spellings since their inception. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.39.145.132 ( talk) 21:44, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
Since it appears that Bring Stabity is dead and he didn't have that big of a role, I'm wondering if maybe we should merge some of the Innovator articles - Bring, Healing Care, Revive Revival - like they did with Orga Sabnak, Clotho Buer, and Shani Andras from Gundam Seed. See Template:Cosmic Era characters 2. Shaneymike ( talk) 15:16, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
For now, I've just placed a merge proposal template on Bring's page because he's dead (I'll merge it later), but if someone wants to add one for Healing then that'd be fine, too. Just a sun ( talk) 04:30, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
Is nobody here going to add any more info's or improve the articles?
There have been more info about some of these characters and there are some that need improvements. Is nobody sorting it out? because I have been looking at these articles and I tryed to add much info bcause there were some bits that have not been mentioned and I tried to improve some parts.
Where are you now? - SilentmanX ( Talk) 23:33, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
"President Brian works and lives in the White House."
Does he really work and live in the white house? Look in Episode 2 at 0:06:05, when the president is looking out of the window. He is standing clearly at an elevated position, from where he can see far and look down on the trees. Also compare the view on the surrounding skyscrapers. The white house on the other hand is a smaller building, with only two floor above ground. Seems to me like President Brian is not in the white house, but in the larger building behind it that you can see at 0:05:51. From that position, he could overlook the White House and it's park. Thoughts? -Andromedos —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.232.61.200 ( talk) 18:41, February 10, 2008 (UTC)
I noticed that somebody changed the English voice actor for Michael Trinity from Ted Cole to Andrew Toth, which is probably true. But still, I have to ask if anybody can confirm that seeing as how it still says on ANN that Ted Cole plays him. Now I know ANN has been wrong before. They initially said that Michael Kopsa played Johann Trinity but then retracted that and credited him as Aeolia. The person who did the same here on Wiki said that he PM'd the man himself (Kopsa) and he confirmed as much that he played Aeolia and not Johann.
I also just noticed that ANN still has both Andrew Toth and Ted Cole credited as Clotho Buer in Gundam Seed, even though the end credits of those shows clearly indicate that Clotho was played by Toth. They also still have both Toth and Matt Smith credited as Orga Sabnak in Seed, even though the end credits of episode 20 of Gundam Seed Destiny clearly indicated that Orga was played by Matt Smith.
Now when I first heard Michael Trinity speaking in English, I thought for sure it was Andrew Toth, and again I know that ANN aren't always 100 percent on getting their facts straight. There's no doubt in my mind that it's Toth, but still I have to ask if anybody can confirm as much. Shaneymike ( talk) 22:01, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
The main issue with this page is that, in addition to Gundam 00's large cast, it is nigh impossible to separate the page according to a character's corresponding group. My suggestion, if anything, would be to have two character pages - one for Season 1, and one for Season 2... but that's not taking all the characters from side materials into consideration. So, for now, it'd be best if we keep it to the one page.
I'm still trying to make the page look shorter and more organized, however. Perhaps a more condensed look would make things easier to read? The following is a preview of something I'm trying, but I'm not entirely comfortable with the way it looks just yet, as it makes the detailed character profiles look a little odd and out of place.
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Gundam MeistersWithin the organization, members designated to pilot mobile suits of the Gundam production line are referred to as Meisters (マイスター, Maisuta), German for Master, and are typically addressed by an alias. As such, the names in the entries below are codenames.
Setsuna F Seiei (刹那・F・セイエイ) [00: S1/00: S2] Johann Trinity (ヨハン・トリニティ, Yohan Toriniti) [00: S1] [[:Image:Gundam 00 - Crew of the Ptolemaios.jpg|right|thumb|250px|The Original members of Celestial Being, clockwise from top-left: Lasse Aeon, Lockon Stratos (Neil), Setsuna F Seiei, Orange Haro, Tieria Erde, Allelujah Haptism, Joyce Moreno, Lichtendahl Tsery, Christina Sierra, Feldt Grace, Sumeragi Lee Noriega, Ian Vashti.]]
Sumeragi Lee Noriega (スメラギ・李・ノリエガ) [00: S1/00: S2]
Ptolemaios tactical operator. She was a highly-skilled programmer who ran away from her adopted mother before being discovered by Celestial Being. She has a good-natured and playful personality and is honest to the extent that she bluntly tells her feelings to others. Christina enjoys exploration, programming, and shopping, and often tries to get friends involved with her activities, particularly by having Feldt Grace try on new outfits that are suitable by Christina's own judgement. Due to bad experiences, she doesn't like to recall her past to people. Christina is an idealist about changing the world and has a deep trust in her comrades. She seems to be green in combat situations, and broke down mid-combat in the Ptolemaios when the ship was struck by enemy fire. On the other hand, she does seem to value her relationship with the rest of the Celestial Being members of Ptolemaios, and sometimes even covers up for the Gundam Meisters, such as not reporting to her superiors that Setsuna F Seiei had taken an unauthorized detour in the Kingdom of Azadistan. Although surviving the initial explosion on the bridge of Ptolemaios from an attack by a GN-X due to Lichtendahl Tsery's attempts to shield her, she is fatally wounded by the debris, with a large piece lodged in her back. It is at this point that Lichtendahl reveals to her his cyborg body; before he dies she tells him she is amazed that a person as Licht was right there in front of her all this time, and that she might be developing feelings for him. She manages to contact the survivors of the crew briefly and tells Feldt to live on for the sake of Lockon's memory, before dying in the subsequent explosion. |
If anyone has any suggestions, please put them forth. 114.76.119.166 ( talk) 00:11, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
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This is still a work in process, some characters I'm not sure how they should be listed, if they are listed at all. Since I haven't watched the second series yet, I don't know which characters are significant and which are simply background characters that can be ignored. There is still the idea of splitting the first and second series off into separate lists. Given the size of the cast, that would be a good idea. -- Farix ( Talk) 12:50, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
A less hectic version:
There has been a couple of attempts by IPs in the past few days to move Anew Returner down into the antagonists with the rest of the Innovators. They are also chancing her description to say that she is hiding the fact that she is being used to locate the Ptolemaios. However, there is no evidence that she is opposing the other protagonists of the series and nor that she is aware that she is being used to track the location of the Ptolemaios. While she may be a sleeper agent (and even saying that is OR), it is unclear how things will turn out in the next couple of episodes. -- Farix ( Talk) 12:33, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
But she is a innovator and has been proven on the newest episode, she may not be a complete antagonist but she is still an innovator. I believe she should be moved to the Innovator section. >:O Katsuuu!! ( talk) 03:33, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
Dude is dead & his article is not much...merge anyone? SilentmanX ( talk) 17:17, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
I have an idea why don't we create keep Bring's article and add Divine in it like the Lockon Stratos article. User:Tylerwade123 —Preceding undated comment was added at 02:30, 21 January 2009 (UTC).
You try saying murder is a point of view in a court of law and they will laugh at you. Seriously I know it is a heated word to use when applying it a show where killing is such a common thing. But if you think about it there are actually some ground rules that dictates what classifies as murder and what classifies as manslaughter. Am I really expected to seek out actual legal documents on the Internet and link them for something like this? I am really busy right now and I wouldn't be happy if I was forced to do so, but don't expect I wont if I am forced too. IN an attempt to spare me that trouble however let me give you some quick examples of cases that could be classified as manslaughter (in the show that made me write this topic) and others that can't.
"Prince Ali" (Ali Al Saarchez) takes Saji's sister for a ride, reveals his intentions and other personal dangerous matters, then shoot/stabs her to death. Now Saji's sister as a non combatant that was just talking with Ali was in no way attacking him and putting his life in danger, so he didn't kill her in combat. As such he intentionally killed her without just cause. This is murder.
Gundam fights example 1: The Gundams make an intervention and attack a cause of conflict. The soldiers shoot back and pose a danger. Now this example can go both ways in my opinion. The Gundams attacked with the intent to kill people that posed no immediate threat to them so they went out to murder these people. Entering the battle however as the soldiers fired back and the Gundams later killed them it can be argued that since they had already entered into the conflict it was no longer murder. Sionce this case could go eother way I would use "kill" instead of murder.
Gundam fights example 2; The Gundams are suddenly engaged by an enemy force that suddenly attack them. the Gundams fire back and shots down the enemy MS. This however is a clear case of killing in combat so here the word kill should be used.
Louise Halevy has already defeated the enemy and holds their life in her hands. The combat is over and Nena is her Prisoner of War. The code of conduct and the rules of war state that enemies if taken prisoner as Nena was, have the right to a fair hearing and a trial in a court. In the scene described however this is ignored by Louise Halevy as she kills a defenseless person. I.E it was outside of combat and was done intentionally. That is murder. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thronedrei ( talk • contribs) 19:14, March 2, 2009
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/murder
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Murder
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/murder
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=52547&dict=CALD
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/murder
Oh and even Wikipedia itself that links to even more sources:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder
Just give it up man. I am right and you are wrong this time. Thronedrei ( talk) 01:36, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
Does anybody else think that Team Trinity should be placed under First Season Antagonists rather than Other? Shaneymike ( talk) 16:33, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
Is there a reason why these characters article want to get merged?:
Feldt Grace, Lasse Aeon, Ian Vashti, Andrei Smirnov, Ribbons Almark, Regene Regetta, Revive Revival and Healing Care.
There are articles that should be merged & ones that shouldn't. The Aeolia Schenberg article was merged & I don't know why, but anyway there are articles that should & should not be merged.
Here's list:
Merged:
Not Merged:
Have your say —Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.76.195.201 ( talk) 14:03, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
There is know need to merge the articles because they all help the story insome way besides lets not turn this page into another gundam wing article okay.-- Tylerwade123 ( talk) 18:47, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
I think all the characters pages just need remodeling which I think we should do after the 2 season is over, I think the only page that needs to be merged is Healing Care, as Regene may be the key to something later in the series as Revive Revival he may be Lyle Dylandy's rival later on so we should keep him to.-- Tylerwade123 ( talk) 13:49, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
Why are these articles listed for merger?
(deindent) You're the one claiming that they are notable, so you should be the one providing reliable third-party sources. The articles have been tagged for lacking notability and third party sources for over two months now. Given the high visibility of these articles by fans, that should have been more then enough time to search for reliable third-party sources. But not a single editor has don't that, instead adding paragraph, after paragraph, after paragraph of plot details, throwing in lots of their own unsubstantiated original research in the process. -- Farix ( Talk) 00:50, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
These three should definitely get merged. Two of them are "bridge bunnies" and they are all background characters that aren't notable enough to warrant articles of their own. Speaking of which, I know we propose articles here that we think should be merged and other people can voice their opinion on the idea. But who does the merging in the end and how much/little do we need for an article to get merged? Thronedrei ( talk) 09:35, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
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I don't think the color of Allelujah's pupils change when his alternate personality surfaces. If you watch closely, he shifts his hair from one side of his face to the other. I suspect that his left eye is gray/blue, and his right eye is yellow, and his hair will always cover one side of his face. I won't change it yet, in case there's footage that contradicts my theory, but let me know what you guys think. 68.148.224.47 21:48, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
I've carefully reviewed the footage frame-by-frame. In all instances, Allelujah's left iris is shown as grey and his right iris is golden. I will edit the page to reflect this, but (of course), if anyone finds an instance that contradicts this feel free to change it back. 24.18.141.57 08:46, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
I don't think it's appropriate to link Kurdistan from this until more reliable evidence surfaces in the series... -- Koveras ☭ 12:35, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
On the official website ( http://www.gundam00.net/character/index.html), Setsuna's profile states:
内戦が続く中東のクルジス共和国で生まれ育った運命の少年兵。接近戦型ガンダムエクシアのパイロット。 私設武装組織ソレスタルビーイングのガンダムマイスターとして世界紛争撲滅のための作戦行動に従事していく。他者との馴れ合いを嫌い、自分の感情を表に出さないクールな少年。16歳という実年齢より幼く見える。
クルジス共和国 = Kurdish Republic. (Corrected as Pan Sola suggests.) Fallacies 12:15, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Removed reference to Shinn; this is a new series, folks. In addition, such "resemblance" is up to discussion, and therefore shouldn't be presented as fact. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.200.181.98 ( talk) 00:37, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
Is that inferred from the show or explicitly told somewhere? From my perspective, all that can be confirmed was that at age of 14 10, he was saved by "Gundam 0" (not sure if the organization Celestial Being even existed at that time), and at age of 16 he is a pilot. I don't know when his potential was discovered. I don't know whether Gundam 0 took him in on the day it saved him, or if he chased the Gundam to a local hideout and pleaded Gundam 0's pilot to take him in or a dozen other possible scenarios of how he might've joined. -
Pan Sola
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I've already added this in a discussion page of Saji Crossroad, but nobody bothered looking at it, so I'm putting it here.
Is someone gonna add a section of Saji's personality? SilentmanX ( talk) 23:42, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
Is Übermensch a valid translation for Choujin? Fallacies 08:38, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
Setsuna F. Seiei (刹那・F・セイエイ)
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Having been discovered by Celestial Being at the age of 14 for having special potential as a pilot, he is currently a Gundam Meister for their organization. He can be described as taciturn and comes off as a knowledgeable young man. Resides in Japan when not on Celestial Being duties. Episode 7 of the anime reveals that Setsuna's real name may be Sora or Soran, and that he murdered his own mother under Sarshes' influence. |
Lockon Stratos (ロックオン・ストラトス)
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Decided to join Celestial Being after losing his parents to terrorists in Ireland. He is the eldest pilot and team leader of the Gundam Meisters. He owns an orange Haro. [2] |
To compress the vertical length of the article. Thoughts? Or too messy? It wouldn't be applied everywhere, obviously, as certain sections have insufficient content to justify use of the format, and others have pictures (like above Setsuna's actual entry) that make the table have a bad fit.
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What's the romanization rule on Chinese names appearing in Japanese fiction? Do we look at the kanji and figure out how it would've been romanized in Mandarin pronouncation, or do we just romanize the Japanese pronunciation of the name? "Wang Liu Mei" and "Wan Ryūmin" don't quite sound the same... - Pan Sola 23:51, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
Eh, the original entry was fine. I don't know that such a rule exists, but I modified the language tag to include most of the information you would really need. - Fallacies ( talk) 04:21, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
He is the main engineer of Celestial Being and the former chief engineer of AEU.
Where is this shown or stated?
Fallacies
14:28, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
It appears that Alejandro and Libbons are related to the Trinity siblings and the Gundam Thrones. Although not official, there are hints which supports it. In episode 16, Alejandro seems to be persuading the other CB members to accept the Gundam Thrones, and he smiled when the other observers accepts them. In episode 18, when the crew of Ptolemaios were talking about the possiblity that Veda was hacked, Libbons' image was shown. Does anyone agree that the might be related to the Trinity siblings and Gundam Thrones? ( 142.232.8.5 ( talk) 00:10, 12 February 2008 (UTC))
Given that Veda is an AI, shouldn't it be considered a character and thus listed her rather than merely being given brief mentions in other characters' profiles? 71.203.209.0 ( talk) 06:19, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
I would agree with this when/if they ever show Veda thinking/speaking. Until then Veda is really just a tool that is used by the team. 69.243.158.192 ( talk) 16:50, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
Can it be confirmed that Trinity is actually part of Celestial Being and/or that the Trinity siblings are in fact (as the article claims) a "second team of Gundam Meisters". I have added a fact tag to this claim, as the article provides no source.
Setsuna and the other Meisters actually doubt Trinity's allegiances as well, and the last episode in which they attacked civilians unprovokedly seems to have only furthered this conclusion. At very least, Veda was hacked as this is stated by Johann, Tieria, and a few other characters in Episode 19. If they are part of Celestial Being, why would they need to hack their own computer? Why would Veda not have data on their units if they are part of 'the plan'? What about the sinister UN guy that obviously has some sort of stolen Celestial Being technology? For all we know, Alejandro Corner = Ragna and he is manipulating the Trinity family into doing his dirty work (such as killing Aifman once he learned too much and taking out his political enemies such as Louise's parents).
Until such time that either the series confirms that they are part of Celestial Being or someone can provide a source to it, I believe they should be considered a separate faction. 69.243.158.192 ( talk) 04:39, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Please leave the current names as they are, unless you have obtained any official statement or source that corrects them, as the current names are official (Aker, Tsery, Ribbons, Saachez etc etc). 165.21.154.91 ( talk) 14:31, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
As per the AfD at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Gundam 00 Characters, this article has been renamed to the proper name of List of Mobile Suit Gundam 00 characters. This is in keeping with the anime/manga project and general Wikipedia naming conventions. AnmaFinotera ( talk) 01:25, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
I have marked Setsuna F. Seiei, Lockon Stratos, Allelujah Haptism, and Tieria Erde. These articles fails WP:FICT and WP:NOTE and do not contain any out-of-universe information. They are primarily plot summaries, which fails WP:NOT, and contain no reliable third-party sources. -- Farix ( Talk) 11:59, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
I feel that Allelujah Haptism should remain its own page. The page hasn't had many updates recently due to the lack of development in the series currently. But he remains a main character and there is enough information for him to maintain his own page.-- MissEzri ( talk) 13:06, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Hey everybody, I just started an Anno Domini characters template just like they have for Universal Century and Cosmic Era. Feel free to add more characters to it as soon as they have their own article.
Shaneymike ( talk) 14:45, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I recently changed some of this section around--I removed the three character bios of the Trinity Team from the latter part of this article, and instead just mentioned the names of the three characters in the first line, since all of the character bios are copy and pasted over from the main Team Trinity article. SilentmanX ( talk · contribs) has reverted these changes.
I am now seeking consensus on how to proceed from here. Either we should place Team Trinity up for deletion and keep the character bios in this article, or we should place very limited (or no) bios on this page, and work to improve the Team Trinity page. Hobbeslover talk/ contribs 00:42, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
I know there is talk about merging the articles for the four Gundam meisters. My beef with that is most of the major Universal Century and Cosmic Era characters have their own individual articles. So far, the only Anno Domini characters who have articles are the Gundam Meisters and Team Trinity. I hope to see more articles for individual characters in the near future. I'd do it myself if I had enough information, but right now I'm sadly lacking. Some other characters who I think deserve an article are Ali Al-Saachez, Graham Acre, Alejandro Corner, Patrick Colasour, Marina Ismail. Shaneymike ( talk) 13:56, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
I noticed someone put (deceased) next to the Trinity siblings. I think this is good because it stands out to people reading the article that certain characters are dead. I have added these tags to Ali Al Saachez, Lockon, Christinia, Lichty, and Kinue Crossroad since they are all dead. I also added it to that annoying AEU 'ace pilot' guy. 69.243.158.192 ( talk) 23:00, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
Now that there has been sufficient time to discuss the proposal, I think we should close the discussion and either merge or remove the proposal and tags.-- Finalnight ( talk) 05:02, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
It's not that significant, but i think it won't hurt to mention it.... Is that really how his 'title' should be romanized?? Rasa??
From my point of view, it's should actually be 'Rasul', it's the Arabian word ford 'Prophet'. This is a bit daring though, since fundamentally, moslems based their religions as Muhammad being their last prophet... I just say this because to me, 'Rasa' seems to be meaningless...
If anyone knows anything else, anything official about it, could you please note that here... thanx Lolipedofin ( talk) 00:02, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
Are there any proposed ideas as to how the characters on this page will be sorted come Season 2? With organisations such as the A-Laws and Kataron usurping the previous AEU/HRL/Union military powers, and individuals such as Nena, Wang and Ribbons appearing to have defected from Celestial Being... things could get tricky. Moreover, how would one go about differentiating between the two Lockons (Neil and Lyle)? Season 2 premiered yesterday, so I believe that it'd be best to sort this out soon... Also, one more (slightly silly) question - would it be better to replace the main image of, for example, the Louise Halevy article to her more recent season 2 appearance as opposed to the original? 122.108.52.46 ( talk) 15:01, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
I added a discussion topic last week about this. We refer to them as A-Laws, but in the anime I heard the characters calling them Arrows. What are they really called? Arrows or A-Laws? SilentmanX ( talk) 19:35, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
This is incorrect.
1. It is called the Seravee Gundam, not the Gundam Seravee. Look at the official website if you don't believe me. Don't confuse which part of the name comes first.
2. He was not killed. Of his team of 2 Aheads and 3 GN-XIIIs, one GN-XIII exploded on its own due to heavy damage from the Ptolemy 2's missiles, another was destroyed by Seravee's GN Bazooka fire detonating the spread of GN particles made from the earlier missile fire. Of the 2 Aheads and the one remaining GN-XIII, Zinin's Ahead stayed behind and fought the Seravee while the other Ahead, which has a nameless faceless pilot, went on ahead. Zinin even said "Go ahead and attack the spaceship, I'll stay and deal with the Gundam". The Ahead and GN-XIII that went to attack the Ptolemy were destroyed by 00, the outcome of Zinin and Tieria's battle is not actually shown but Mileina reports that "enemy mobile suit is retreating". If you're going to make such an addition to the article, please be 100% sure it is accurate. It helps to actually pay attention to the episode as well.--
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I have an article of Klaus Grado that will be added soon, but requires more info.
So if possible, can you guys improve the article and add more info of him. I will also add more info of the character and try to improve the article. And if it is good enough then the article will be added on the List of Mobile Suit Gundam 00 characters. SilentmanX ( talk) 17:27, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
This is something I wanna make sure, is Regene Regetta a he or a she? SilentmanX ( talk) 14:52, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
Her official name is Kathy Mannequin. Also do you guys know her bio? SilentmanX ( talk) 00:23, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
Notation: No, her official name is Kati Manneqin. The "trading cards" that have her "name" on them have no official ties to Sunrise and what not, therefore they make up whatever spelling they want. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.205.75.234 ( talk) 01:55, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
I have another article that requires extended info and improvement before it can be added to the character's list. Can someone please help me on this? SilentmanX ( talk) 00:52, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
The official romanization of the organization カタロン is "Katharon".
Source: http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/6788/katharontf9.jpg
Just a sun ( talk) 13:39, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
Should I or Should I not make the Kinue Crossroad article?
SilentmanX ( talk) 21:00, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
I've been to that article few times now and I've notice that there's not much to put in now. If the article were to stay then it should have more info in it, if not then there's no point keeping it.
What's your say? SilentmanX ( talk) 01:56, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
I cleaned up the page by cutting back on the amount of text for characters who already have articles because it was far too long and extremely unnecessary. Please do not revert any more of these clean up edits.
I also propose that we omit any information on characters who already have pages, instead merely listing their names. The verbose length of the character "summaries" is excessive. If someone wishes to know more about the character, all they have to do is visit the article. This will dramatically cut down on the hefty size of the page. 122.108.95.9 ( talk) 20:26, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
It's pretty obvious that she's most probably Revive's twin, but right now we've only seen her with Celestial Being, so she should stay in that section of the article until otherwise confirmed.
Also, I put Linda Vashti back into the Krung Thep section (for those who don't know, Krung Thep is the name of Celestial Being's base at Lagrange 3) as she's yet to even be seen on the Ptolemaios. 114.76.119.166 ( talk) 06:16, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
It looks like you people don't even bother to use the discussion page or look at revision history. Also, it has NOT been confirmed that Divine is the remaining unidentified Innovator; until it's outright said in the show or in character profiles, it's still mere speculation. And again: as of the latest episode, Anew and Linda haven't even stepped foot on the Ptolemaios, so I have no idea where people are getting that info from. They work in Krung Thep, which is the name of CB's Lagrange 3 base (see the Krung Thep article for more info).
I really don't want to go around constantly nitpicking and editing every single tiny thing anymore, so this article can be filled with as many factual inconsistencies as you like. Not my loss. /ragequit, etc. 114.76.119.166 ( talk) 12:50, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
The article has Anew Returner as being a spy for the Innovators when she's mentioned in Revive's section, but I don't think that has been confirmed or hinted at in the series, so I'm going to remove it 66.76.155.2 ( talk) 21:15, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
Having the same character crop up twice causes a lot of confusion. We need to reorganize this page entirely, I propose we do it like the Code Geass character page, leaving the person affliation with their initial appearence - plau ( talk) 17:52, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
Will it be possible to do articles about the crew of the Krung Thep and the Fereshte, from the manga?
The nature of Innovators' genders is always a hot topic of debate, but right now it's best to judge them through pronoun usage. For reference, this is what is used for each Innovator so far revealed:
Ribbons: Masculine
Regene: Masculine
Revive: Masculine
Hilling: Feminine
Please refer to the discussion page more often. As for Hilling's name, I'm leaving it at Hilling because Healing is written differently in Japanese (hiiringu instead of hiringu), and it's entirely possible that her name is an intentional corruption of a preexisting word.
Officially, the only romanizations thus far released are Ribbons Almark and Regene Regetta.
122.104.93.58 ( talk) 10:34, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
I would say it's better to judge them without a gender, which in this case being the Innovators so far have been referred to as he. It is too much of an assumption to state there's she and he's.-- Refuteku ( talk) 19:44, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
I don't like the new layout of the character article, cause it looks like the one from that gundam wiki page, and it didn't look fully detailed.
What you think? - SilentmanX ( talk) 00:26, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
Please stick to the official names, not assumed, fan-made or fan-preferred names.
For example, it's Ribbons Almark and not Livonze Almack/ Livonse Almack. ( http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/3797/samplef37df739b97be76faue8.jpg)
Ralph Eifman and not Leif Eifman. ( http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/13/sample3d4c75c0c371e2961tc8.jpg)
Kati Mannequin and not Kathy Manekin. ( http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/13/sample3d4c75c0c371e2961tc8.jpg)
Please keep to these official names when editing. The Slimy One 04:07, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
Notation: Those names that you provided for Leif and Kati are not "official". The DVD Liner Notes (as well as the World Report book) have the correct spellings. Those cards have been known to have whacky spellings since their inception. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.39.145.132 ( talk) 21:44, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
Since it appears that Bring Stabity is dead and he didn't have that big of a role, I'm wondering if maybe we should merge some of the Innovator articles - Bring, Healing Care, Revive Revival - like they did with Orga Sabnak, Clotho Buer, and Shani Andras from Gundam Seed. See Template:Cosmic Era characters 2. Shaneymike ( talk) 15:16, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
For now, I've just placed a merge proposal template on Bring's page because he's dead (I'll merge it later), but if someone wants to add one for Healing then that'd be fine, too. Just a sun ( talk) 04:30, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
Is nobody here going to add any more info's or improve the articles?
There have been more info about some of these characters and there are some that need improvements. Is nobody sorting it out? because I have been looking at these articles and I tryed to add much info bcause there were some bits that have not been mentioned and I tried to improve some parts.
Where are you now? - SilentmanX ( Talk) 23:33, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
"President Brian works and lives in the White House."
Does he really work and live in the white house? Look in Episode 2 at 0:06:05, when the president is looking out of the window. He is standing clearly at an elevated position, from where he can see far and look down on the trees. Also compare the view on the surrounding skyscrapers. The white house on the other hand is a smaller building, with only two floor above ground. Seems to me like President Brian is not in the white house, but in the larger building behind it that you can see at 0:05:51. From that position, he could overlook the White House and it's park. Thoughts? -Andromedos —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.232.61.200 ( talk) 18:41, February 10, 2008 (UTC)
I noticed that somebody changed the English voice actor for Michael Trinity from Ted Cole to Andrew Toth, which is probably true. But still, I have to ask if anybody can confirm that seeing as how it still says on ANN that Ted Cole plays him. Now I know ANN has been wrong before. They initially said that Michael Kopsa played Johann Trinity but then retracted that and credited him as Aeolia. The person who did the same here on Wiki said that he PM'd the man himself (Kopsa) and he confirmed as much that he played Aeolia and not Johann.
I also just noticed that ANN still has both Andrew Toth and Ted Cole credited as Clotho Buer in Gundam Seed, even though the end credits of those shows clearly indicate that Clotho was played by Toth. They also still have both Toth and Matt Smith credited as Orga Sabnak in Seed, even though the end credits of episode 20 of Gundam Seed Destiny clearly indicated that Orga was played by Matt Smith.
Now when I first heard Michael Trinity speaking in English, I thought for sure it was Andrew Toth, and again I know that ANN aren't always 100 percent on getting their facts straight. There's no doubt in my mind that it's Toth, but still I have to ask if anybody can confirm as much. Shaneymike ( talk) 22:01, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
The main issue with this page is that, in addition to Gundam 00's large cast, it is nigh impossible to separate the page according to a character's corresponding group. My suggestion, if anything, would be to have two character pages - one for Season 1, and one for Season 2... but that's not taking all the characters from side materials into consideration. So, for now, it'd be best if we keep it to the one page.
I'm still trying to make the page look shorter and more organized, however. Perhaps a more condensed look would make things easier to read? The following is a preview of something I'm trying, but I'm not entirely comfortable with the way it looks just yet, as it makes the detailed character profiles look a little odd and out of place.
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Gundam MeistersWithin the organization, members designated to pilot mobile suits of the Gundam production line are referred to as Meisters (マイスター, Maisuta), German for Master, and are typically addressed by an alias. As such, the names in the entries below are codenames.
Setsuna F Seiei (刹那・F・セイエイ) [00: S1/00: S2] Johann Trinity (ヨハン・トリニティ, Yohan Toriniti) [00: S1] [[:Image:Gundam 00 - Crew of the Ptolemaios.jpg|right|thumb|250px|The Original members of Celestial Being, clockwise from top-left: Lasse Aeon, Lockon Stratos (Neil), Setsuna F Seiei, Orange Haro, Tieria Erde, Allelujah Haptism, Joyce Moreno, Lichtendahl Tsery, Christina Sierra, Feldt Grace, Sumeragi Lee Noriega, Ian Vashti.]]
Sumeragi Lee Noriega (スメラギ・李・ノリエガ) [00: S1/00: S2]
Ptolemaios tactical operator. She was a highly-skilled programmer who ran away from her adopted mother before being discovered by Celestial Being. She has a good-natured and playful personality and is honest to the extent that she bluntly tells her feelings to others. Christina enjoys exploration, programming, and shopping, and often tries to get friends involved with her activities, particularly by having Feldt Grace try on new outfits that are suitable by Christina's own judgement. Due to bad experiences, she doesn't like to recall her past to people. Christina is an idealist about changing the world and has a deep trust in her comrades. She seems to be green in combat situations, and broke down mid-combat in the Ptolemaios when the ship was struck by enemy fire. On the other hand, she does seem to value her relationship with the rest of the Celestial Being members of Ptolemaios, and sometimes even covers up for the Gundam Meisters, such as not reporting to her superiors that Setsuna F Seiei had taken an unauthorized detour in the Kingdom of Azadistan. Although surviving the initial explosion on the bridge of Ptolemaios from an attack by a GN-X due to Lichtendahl Tsery's attempts to shield her, she is fatally wounded by the debris, with a large piece lodged in her back. It is at this point that Lichtendahl reveals to her his cyborg body; before he dies she tells him she is amazed that a person as Licht was right there in front of her all this time, and that she might be developing feelings for him. She manages to contact the survivors of the crew briefly and tells Feldt to live on for the sake of Lockon's memory, before dying in the subsequent explosion. |
If anyone has any suggestions, please put them forth. 114.76.119.166 ( talk) 00:11, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
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This is still a work in process, some characters I'm not sure how they should be listed, if they are listed at all. Since I haven't watched the second series yet, I don't know which characters are significant and which are simply background characters that can be ignored. There is still the idea of splitting the first and second series off into separate lists. Given the size of the cast, that would be a good idea. -- Farix ( Talk) 12:50, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
A less hectic version:
There has been a couple of attempts by IPs in the past few days to move Anew Returner down into the antagonists with the rest of the Innovators. They are also chancing her description to say that she is hiding the fact that she is being used to locate the Ptolemaios. However, there is no evidence that she is opposing the other protagonists of the series and nor that she is aware that she is being used to track the location of the Ptolemaios. While she may be a sleeper agent (and even saying that is OR), it is unclear how things will turn out in the next couple of episodes. -- Farix ( Talk) 12:33, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
But she is a innovator and has been proven on the newest episode, she may not be a complete antagonist but she is still an innovator. I believe she should be moved to the Innovator section. >:O Katsuuu!! ( talk) 03:33, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
Dude is dead & his article is not much...merge anyone? SilentmanX ( talk) 17:17, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
I have an idea why don't we create keep Bring's article and add Divine in it like the Lockon Stratos article. User:Tylerwade123 —Preceding undated comment was added at 02:30, 21 January 2009 (UTC).
You try saying murder is a point of view in a court of law and they will laugh at you. Seriously I know it is a heated word to use when applying it a show where killing is such a common thing. But if you think about it there are actually some ground rules that dictates what classifies as murder and what classifies as manslaughter. Am I really expected to seek out actual legal documents on the Internet and link them for something like this? I am really busy right now and I wouldn't be happy if I was forced to do so, but don't expect I wont if I am forced too. IN an attempt to spare me that trouble however let me give you some quick examples of cases that could be classified as manslaughter (in the show that made me write this topic) and others that can't.
"Prince Ali" (Ali Al Saarchez) takes Saji's sister for a ride, reveals his intentions and other personal dangerous matters, then shoot/stabs her to death. Now Saji's sister as a non combatant that was just talking with Ali was in no way attacking him and putting his life in danger, so he didn't kill her in combat. As such he intentionally killed her without just cause. This is murder.
Gundam fights example 1: The Gundams make an intervention and attack a cause of conflict. The soldiers shoot back and pose a danger. Now this example can go both ways in my opinion. The Gundams attacked with the intent to kill people that posed no immediate threat to them so they went out to murder these people. Entering the battle however as the soldiers fired back and the Gundams later killed them it can be argued that since they had already entered into the conflict it was no longer murder. Sionce this case could go eother way I would use "kill" instead of murder.
Gundam fights example 2; The Gundams are suddenly engaged by an enemy force that suddenly attack them. the Gundams fire back and shots down the enemy MS. This however is a clear case of killing in combat so here the word kill should be used.
Louise Halevy has already defeated the enemy and holds their life in her hands. The combat is over and Nena is her Prisoner of War. The code of conduct and the rules of war state that enemies if taken prisoner as Nena was, have the right to a fair hearing and a trial in a court. In the scene described however this is ignored by Louise Halevy as she kills a defenseless person. I.E it was outside of combat and was done intentionally. That is murder. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thronedrei ( talk • contribs) 19:14, March 2, 2009
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/murder
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Murder
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/murder
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=52547&dict=CALD
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/murder
Oh and even Wikipedia itself that links to even more sources:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder
Just give it up man. I am right and you are wrong this time. Thronedrei ( talk) 01:36, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
Does anybody else think that Team Trinity should be placed under First Season Antagonists rather than Other? Shaneymike ( talk) 16:33, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
Is there a reason why these characters article want to get merged?:
Feldt Grace, Lasse Aeon, Ian Vashti, Andrei Smirnov, Ribbons Almark, Regene Regetta, Revive Revival and Healing Care.
There are articles that should be merged & ones that shouldn't. The Aeolia Schenberg article was merged & I don't know why, but anyway there are articles that should & should not be merged.
Here's list:
Merged:
Not Merged:
Have your say —Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.76.195.201 ( talk) 14:03, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
There is know need to merge the articles because they all help the story insome way besides lets not turn this page into another gundam wing article okay.-- Tylerwade123 ( talk) 18:47, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
I think all the characters pages just need remodeling which I think we should do after the 2 season is over, I think the only page that needs to be merged is Healing Care, as Regene may be the key to something later in the series as Revive Revival he may be Lyle Dylandy's rival later on so we should keep him to.-- Tylerwade123 ( talk) 13:49, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
Why are these articles listed for merger?
(deindent) You're the one claiming that they are notable, so you should be the one providing reliable third-party sources. The articles have been tagged for lacking notability and third party sources for over two months now. Given the high visibility of these articles by fans, that should have been more then enough time to search for reliable third-party sources. But not a single editor has don't that, instead adding paragraph, after paragraph, after paragraph of plot details, throwing in lots of their own unsubstantiated original research in the process. -- Farix ( Talk) 00:50, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
These three should definitely get merged. Two of them are "bridge bunnies" and they are all background characters that aren't notable enough to warrant articles of their own. Speaking of which, I know we propose articles here that we think should be merged and other people can voice their opinion on the idea. But who does the merging in the end and how much/little do we need for an article to get merged? Thronedrei ( talk) 09:35, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
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