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I started cleaning this up today, removing the terrible overlinking, but it turns out that most of the separate little articles merged here were copyvios of Scramble and/or Venik's site (the latter reuses content from the former, plus material from elsewhere).
I've removed everything that's either a direct lift or a trivial re-wording of one of the sources, leaving only a few entries. Most of these are also re-words of the Scramble material, but are substantially-enough reworded that I don't think there are any copyright issues remaining, but the sophisticated wording of some of the remaining material still leaves me uneasy and wondering if that's really the case.
Unfortunately, the "copy-paste-reword" strategy seems to have introduced some problems of its own in the remaining material. For example: Scramble states that Mi-24VN "production was curtailed by ammunition feed problems", while the version contributed here "amplifies" this to say "production of the Mi-24VP was cancelled because of problems with ammunition feed in the twin gun and the rocket pods." Ammunition feed problems in the rocket pods? I strongly suspect that the contributor has simply made that up - not through any intention to deceive or insert false information - but in order to differentiate his text from the source he had lifted it from.
Other problems are due to the fact that Scramble (by its nature) has a far lower threshold of verifiability than we do - so the site will report rumours, "possibly unofficial" designations and the like, whereas we generally wouldn't. This different threshold is now reflected in this article.
So what do we do? Scrap this article and reinstate the original (long) variants section in the main Mi-24 article? Or move the original variants section from the main article here, merging it with whatever's salvageable, and proceed with BillCJ's plan to put a simplified version of the versions section in the main article? -- Rlandmann ( talk) 20:50, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
Does anybody know what the suffix letters mean/stand for? Add it, if you can. TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura 19:50, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
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A lot of articles about military helos (including this one) mention "chin-mounted" gun turrents, without explaining this term.
I assume it means something like "mounted beneath the pilot's cockpit", but I don't know. It would be cool if someone who does know could gloss this term in a footnote (or here - I can make a glossary footnote, if someone who knows can provide the info). MrDemeanour ( talk) 14:34, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
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I started cleaning this up today, removing the terrible overlinking, but it turns out that most of the separate little articles merged here were copyvios of Scramble and/or Venik's site (the latter reuses content from the former, plus material from elsewhere).
I've removed everything that's either a direct lift or a trivial re-wording of one of the sources, leaving only a few entries. Most of these are also re-words of the Scramble material, but are substantially-enough reworded that I don't think there are any copyright issues remaining, but the sophisticated wording of some of the remaining material still leaves me uneasy and wondering if that's really the case.
Unfortunately, the "copy-paste-reword" strategy seems to have introduced some problems of its own in the remaining material. For example: Scramble states that Mi-24VN "production was curtailed by ammunition feed problems", while the version contributed here "amplifies" this to say "production of the Mi-24VP was cancelled because of problems with ammunition feed in the twin gun and the rocket pods." Ammunition feed problems in the rocket pods? I strongly suspect that the contributor has simply made that up - not through any intention to deceive or insert false information - but in order to differentiate his text from the source he had lifted it from.
Other problems are due to the fact that Scramble (by its nature) has a far lower threshold of verifiability than we do - so the site will report rumours, "possibly unofficial" designations and the like, whereas we generally wouldn't. This different threshold is now reflected in this article.
So what do we do? Scrap this article and reinstate the original (long) variants section in the main Mi-24 article? Or move the original variants section from the main article here, merging it with whatever's salvageable, and proceed with BillCJ's plan to put a simplified version of the versions section in the main article? -- Rlandmann ( talk) 20:50, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
Does anybody know what the suffix letters mean/stand for? Add it, if you can. TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura 19:50, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
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A lot of articles about military helos (including this one) mention "chin-mounted" gun turrents, without explaining this term.
I assume it means something like "mounted beneath the pilot's cockpit", but I don't know. It would be cool if someone who does know could gloss this term in a footnote (or here - I can make a glossary footnote, if someone who knows can provide the info). MrDemeanour ( talk) 14:34, 18 August 2023 (UTC)