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According to the source this building was built as a Danish community center for immigrants... then sold to the Sons of Haiti (an African-American Masonic group) in 1973... however the source seems to indicate that the Sons rent the building out to other tenants. I would agree that it is logical to assume that they meet (or once met) in the building as well, but the source does not actually verify that this is the case. I would ask that we attempt to confirm whether they meet/met in the building or not... If a masonic group is merely the landlord, inclusion is questionable. Blueboar ( talk) 00:12, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
My opinion at this point would be that since the Masons didn't build it, they don't currently own it, and lent little notability to it while they did own it, it shouldn't be in this list.-- SarekOfVulcan ( talk) 16:47, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
this building is apparently Listed which automagically denotes notability. It's the HQ of the Order of Women Freemasons, so may potentially belong in this list. -- ALR ( talk) 11:34, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
OK... Clariosophic seems fairly insistent that we work on things here... so... below are my latest thoughts on format put into a preliminary version of just one section (the section for Asia)... note that I have broken out the geographical info into separate sortable columns. Since this is currently a small and managable sub-set (ie it will not be difficult to make changes), I propose that we use it to reach a consensus on the basic structure... then when we have reached a consensus, we can move on to Europe and finally North America. Blueboar ( talk) 00:32, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
Image | Building name | Country | State/Province | City/Town | Year built | Notes |
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Zetland Hall | China | Hong Kong SAR | Hong Kong | 1865/1949 | Name refers to two buildings at different locations, Both purpose built to house the District Grand Lodge. [1] | |
Goshamal Baradari | India | Andhra Pradesh | Hyderabad | 1682 | Originally constructed as a palace for the Nizam of Hyderbad. Donated to the Masons in 1872 it has been used as a meeting hall since. [2] | |
Penang Masonic Temple | Malaysia | Penang | George Town | 1927 | Purpose built as a Masonic hall, currently houses several Masonic lodges. [3] | |
Masonic Temple | Pakistan | Punjab | Lahore | 1914 | Purpose built as a Masonic hall, it was the meeting place for Lodge of Hope and Perseverance No. 782 from 1914 to 1972. Now remodeled, it is used as a multi-purpose Punjab government building. [4] [5] | |
Freemasons Lodge Building | Pakistan | Sindh | Karachi | 1914 | Purpose built as Masonic hall and used as such until 1972. Now used by the Sindh Wildlife Department Conservator; renovations began in circa 2008. [6] |
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It seems like we have moved on from Asia. I have moved that section to the holding pen and I will post the Islands section so everyone can see what it would look like. Blueboar ( talk) 14:47, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
From the comments above, I think we have a consensus approving of the idea of conversion over to a chart format (if someone disagrees, please do speak up)... the next question would be implementation. I see two options... 1) review and reach a consensus on the entire list, and then carry out the conversion en-mass ... or 2) review and reach a consensus on each "by continent" section, and convert each section as we go along. (If the latter, I would suggest we break up the review of the US buildings by state and convert as they become ready). Your thoughts? Blueboar ( talk) 16:06, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
Image | Building name | Country | State/Province | City/Town | Year Built | Notes |
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State House | Bermuda | NA | St. George's | 1620 | The oldest stone building in Bermuda. Housed Bermuda's Parliament from 1620 until 1815, when the capital was relocated to Hamilton. Since 1815 it has been leased in perpetuity to a Masonic Lodge. [1] | |
Masonic Temple | Spain | Canary Islands | Santa Cruz de Tenerife | 1899 - 1902 | Purpose built as Masonic hall, currently houses several lodges. [2] |
Arrgh... I am trying to put a {{reflist}} for the new section, so people can see that the material is properly sourced... it works fine in preview mode (ie it gives me the two references cited the new section)... but for some reason it does not work when go live and save it to the page (it repeats the references for the Asia section). Obviously, this will not be a problem once we convert on the main page (we will have one reflist for the entire article, as you can see at the Talk:List of Masonic buildings/Conversion to chart format holding pen). I think the glitch is just a function of breaking it down here (having more than one reflist on a page may confuse the software). I have made this work before, but I don't remember how. Blueboar ( talk) 14:11, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
Since we have started to talk about this section above... I will post an initial draft. Blueboar ( talk) 17:31, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
Image | Building name | Country | State/Province/region | City/Town | Year Built | Notes |
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Royal Masonic School for Boys | United Kingdom | England | Bushey | 1903 | Purpose built as a school by the United Grand Lodge of England, it closed in 1973 and is now in use as a state school. | |
Cheltenham Masonic Hall | United Kingdom | England | Cheltenham | 1818 | Purpose built as a Masonic Hall and still used as such [1] | |
The Hanging Chapel | United Kingdom | England | Langport | 13th Century | Originally built as a fortified gateway, the building as been used as a guild chapel, town hall, courthouse grammar school and museum. It has been used as a Masonic hall since 1891, and is currently leased by the town council to the Portcullis Lodge. [2] | |
The Cloisters | United Kingdom | England | Letchworth | 1907 | Originally built as an open-air school dedicated to Psychology, it was sold to the local Freemasons after World War II. Several Masonic lodges currently meet in the building. [3] | |
Chiswick House | United Kingdom | England | London | 1726-1729 | Built as a private house for Lord Burlington, used as such until 1892 when it was converted into a mental hospital. While no evidence exists to indicate Masonic use some scholars speculate that the building has Masonic motifs [4] | |
Freemasons Hall | United Kingdom | England | London | 1933 | The headquarters of the United Grand Lodge of England and the third Masonic building at this location, which has been a Masonic meeting place since 1775. [5] | |
27 Pembridge Gardens | United Kingdom | England | London | unknown | Originally built as a private home in 19th century building, it was donated to the Order of Women Freemasons in 1924, and has been used as the order's headquarters since. [6] | |
Royal Masonic School for Girls | United Kingdom | England | Rickmansworth | 1934 | Purpose built as a school by United Grand Lodge of England [7] | |
Church of St Edmund | United Kingdom | England | Rochdale | 1873 | A Grade I listed building, the church's construction was commissioned by Freemason Albert Hudson Royds; it is extensively decorated with Masonic symbols. [8] | |
Freemasons Hall | United Kingdom | England | Sunderland | 1785 | A Grade I listed building believed to be oldest purpose-built Masonic hall in the world; still in use for that purpose. [9] | |
Pollokshields Burgh Hall | United Kingdom | Scotland | Glasgow | 1890 | Purpose built as a Masonic hall; the meeting place for Lodge Pollok, Pollokshields No. 772. | |
Lodge Mother Kilwinning | United Kingdom | Scotland | Kilwinning | 1893 | The lodge's building, consecrated in 1893, includes a museum of Masonic artefacts. The lodge traces its history to the building of Kilwinning Abbey, circa 1140. The current lodge building replaced a lodge building that was erected in 1779. [10] |
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Here is what we have for Canada... and the US (Alaska, Alabama and Arizona)... more to come (I think it best to do this in smallish chunks) Blueboar ( talk) 00:00, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
Image | Building name | Country | State/Province | City/Town | Year Built | Notes |
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Masonic Temple | Canada | Newfoundland | St. John's | 1896 | Purpose built as Masonic hall - Currently houses several lodges. [1] | |
Masonic Temple | Canada | Ontario | Toronto | 1917 | Purpose built as Masonic hall, sold in 1994 and remodeled. Now known as the CTV Temple (home of MTV Canada) [2] | |
Montreal Masonic Memorial Temple | Canada | Quebec | Montreal | NA | Purpose built as Masonic hall - currently houses several Masonic lodges. [3] | |
Masonic Temple | United States | Alaska | Fairbanks | 1906 | Originally constructed by the Tanana Commercial Company, the Masons purchased the building in 1908 and renovated to add a second story for lodge rooms and a main hall. [4] [5] | |
West End Masonic Temple | United States | Alabama | Birmingham | 1926 | Purpose built as a Masonic hall, it was used as such until 1985, when it was sold and converted to office space. The building was destroyed in a fire on New Year's Day, 1996. [6] | |
Crane Hill Masonic Lodge | United States | Alabama | Crane Hill | 1904 | Historically used as a department store, dwelling, and a school [7], it is currently used as a Masonic hall. [8] | |
Helion Lodge | United States | Alabama | Huntsville | 1911 | Home of the oldest Freemasons' lodge in Alabama, which erected this building to replace a previous building. [9] | |
The Temple Downtown | United States | Alabama | Mobile | 1922 | Purpose built to house a
Scottish Rite chapter, the building has been sold and converted into a banqueting venue.
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Joseph T. Smitherman Historic Building | United States | Alabama | Selma | 1847 | Constructed in 1847 as the Central Masonic Institute, a school for orphans and the children of indigent Masons, the building subsequently was used to house various schools and hospitals and at one point housed the Dallas County Courthouse. It is currently a historical museum. [11] | |
Masonic Temple | United States | Arizona | Kingman | 1939 | Purpose built as a Masonic hall and constructed by the WPA, the building is currently is used for office space. [12] | |
Polly Rosenbaum Building (originally the El Zaribah Shrine Auditorium) | United States | Arizona | Phoenix | 1921 | Moorish Revival building built as a meeting hall for the Phoenix chapter of the Ancient Arabic Order of the Nobles of the Mystic Shrine (the Shriners). After the Shriners built a new auditorium in 1989, this building was acquired by the Arizona Department of Mines and Minerals and remodeled. It now houses a museum. [13] | |
Masonic Hall | United States | Arizona | Wickenburg | 1922 | Built as a meeting hall for the local Freemasons and Knights of Pythias, both of which needed to hold their meetings on the second floor; no building that fit this requirement was available in Wickenburg. Later housed a Montgomery Ward department store. [14] | |
Masonic Temple | United States | Arizona | Yuma | 1931 | Purpose built as a Masonic hall and still serving that function. [15] |
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help page).Note the citation request for the hall in Wickenburg, AZ... I can find no source (yet) that says there ever was a lodge in that town. Yes, I agree that the building would probably be named "Masonic Hall" if a lodge never met there... but the threshold for inclusion of information is "verifiability not truth"... we need confirmation. So we have to keep digging. Ideally, I would like a source that can tell us whether the building was purpose built as a lodge or was purchased (and then later sold) by a lodge. Does the NRHP database have anything on this? Blueboar ( talk) 00:09, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
According to Peoria #31's " Golden Scroll":
That could explain the timing issues above... -- SarekOfVulcan ( talk) 13:48, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
New Issue: Regarding the
El Zaribah Shrine Auditorium... I realize that the NRHP lists the building by that that name, but does anyone else? We actually have a three way "listed name" vs "common name" vs "official name" conflict... We know what the NRHP calls it... and given the huge lettering on the outside of the building (seen
here), the common name is probably the "Arizona Mining and Mineral Museum" while The "offical name" used by the Dept. itself is the "Polly Rosenbaum building"... I raise the issue because, apparently, there is another building in Phoenix that goes by the name "El Zariba Shrine Auditorium" (ie the current El Zaribah Shrine Auditorium ... the building that the Shriners built and moved into when they sold their former building to the ADMM, see
here). Thoughts? (note... I have opened a discussion about a possible page move at the main article... but for now I am just asking how we should list it here. I don't really like the somewhat long and clunky way it is currently listed... but it at least draws attention to the issue.)
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Image | Building name | Country | State/Province | City/Town | Year Built | Notes |
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Farmers and Merchants Bank-Masonic Lodge | United States | Arkansas | Booneville | 1906 | Designed in the Colonial Revival and Early Commercial architecture styles, the building was originally planned as a commercial building to house the Farmers and Merchants Bank. When the construction plans were announced, two Masonic lodges joined with the bank to add a meeting hall on the second floor. [1] The building still houses the bank, but the lodges have since moved out. [2] | |
Bradford City Hall-Byers Masonic Lodge | United States | Arkansas | Bradford | 1934 | Constructed jointly by Beyers Masonic Lodge and the Bradford city government, the building was shared until the lodge shut down. [1] | |
Yell Masonic Lodge Hall | United States | Arkansas | Carrollton | 1876 | Questions: constructed as Masonic hall or a Church? (NRHP lists it as being used as both, but no indication of what order)... according to ARSoc, there is/was a Yell Lodge #64 (defunct?) that met there... when did it move in/out of the building? what is current status of building? | |
Chester Masonic Lodge and Community Building | United States | Arkansas | Chester | 1942 | Purpose built as a Masonic Hall, it was constructed using materials from both a school and a previous Masonic Hall [1] | |
Lee's Chapel Church and Masonic Hall | United States | Arkansas | Cushman | 1946 | Constructed jointly and shared by Lee's Chapel Methodist Church and Montgomery Lodge No. 360. [1] The lodge subsequently moved to Cave City. [3] | |
Masonic Temple | United States | Arkansas | El Dorado | 1924 | Art Deco and revival architectural styles (Questions... Masonic associations of the building needed) | |
Fort Smith Masonic Temple | United States | Arkansas | Fort Smith | includes Art Deco, Exotic Revival, Egyptian Revival architecture. (needed - masonic associations of the building) | ||
Hampton Masonic Lodge Building | United States | Arkansas | Hampton | 1930 | Built as a commercial building, the Hampton Masonic Lodge was the first tenant in the upstairs space. [4] The upstairs space was later used by the Farmers Home Administration and several mercantile establishments before being acquired by the county for use as a public library. [5] | |
Knob School--Masonic Lodge | United States | Arkansas | Knob | 1923 | Purpose built to house both a Craftsman's school and a Masonic lodge. [1] | |
Mount Moriah Masonic Lodge No. 18 | United States | Arkansas | Lisbon | 1858 | Purpose built to be a Masonic hall, and still used as such, the Historic Preservation Alliance of Arkansas believes it may be the oldest building in the state still used for its original purpose by its original owner. [6] | |
Masonic Temple | United States | Arkansas | Pine Bluff | 1902 | Purpose built in a Neoclassical style to house an African American Masonic order. [1] | |
Russellville Masonic Temple | United States | Arkansas | Russellville | Built as a Masonic Temple with the first floor rented to the city for use as the city Hall. In 1943 the city bought the building, paid off the mortgage and rented the second floor to the Masons. As of 2001, the Masons were preparing to vacate the second floor. [7] |
As you can see, I some questions regarding the Masonic history/connection of some of these buildings... Hopefully someone will be able to come up with the answers. Blueboar ( talk) 01:05, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
Working from the index of Masonic buildings in this list-article, Blueboar started on a new editing campaign to change the standard NRIS reference in Masonic buildings articles, in about 20 so far. I asked him at his Talk page, i hoped politely enough, to stop. He has now agreed to stop.
The topic has been discussed abundantly in the archives of this Talk:List of Masonic buildings article. Various alternatives have been discussed which are better than the way Blueboar has edited these (notably he deletes the mention of the National Park Service as publisher, and he drops the cite web formatting). The leading replacement candidate, as i recall, was something like simply dropping the url given in the cite web reference. B did open a thread recently at wt:NRHP, about new instances of NRIS footnote, which did not get any response. Could editors here please consider contributing to that discussion (at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places#Please change the standard citation to omit the link), now to expand also to address old instances of the standard NRIS reference? -- doncram ( talk) 15:11, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
I removed to Archive 6 the drafted tables and some discussion from November, all older than the 30 day or whatever Mizrabot archiving set for this page. Perhaps Mizrabot can't archive a section that big.
There was some good development in those drafted tables which is worth capturing in articles. I notice many footnotes developed with sources about particular places that are not included in their individual articles.
Also, there were multiple other assertions in those drafted tables, like that places were "purpose-built" (not an English language term with which i am familiar) that are not supported by their articles.
Overall, i don't think the drafted tables were or are ready to be considered as a proposal to be brought into this list-article, because of those mis-matches between articles and what is said in the tables. The table descriptions should not contain anything not supported in the individual articles. That is one of several criteria previously discussed for developing tables to be included in the list-article. That specific problem could be addressed by a lot of editing in the individual articles (and by removal of assertions about "purpose-built"ed ness). I would support the articles being improved. -- Doncram ( talk) 22:52, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
In these edits i converted the Virginia section into table-ized format. If this is okay, i may proceed slowly to table-ize other U.S. sections into one big U.S. table. Please note:
Comments welcome. -- Doncram ( talk) 18:06, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
There are a number of impressive masonic buildings in St. Louis, Mo, e.g. this one in midtown on Lindell blvd. Why have they beeen forgotten? I do not want to interfere here, but I have written a short article in German WP on the subject of this "double decker acropolis" and I would be happy to have better and newer pictures not only regarding this building but also regarding the other masonic landmarks on Lindell. Robert Schediwy -- 91.129.8.20 ( talk) 09:31, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
P.S.: Here's some useful information on the topic:
1)The Scottish Rite Cathedral, at 3627 Lindell, was designed by William B. Ittner and was dedicated in 1924. A fine example of neo Classic style, the building has a frontage of 235 feet and is approached by a broad flight of steps. Its auditorium seats 3000 persons. Features are an extremely wide proscenium and a fine organ.
2)The Masonic Temple at 3681 Lindell was completed in 1926. The three receding stages of the classic style building are symbolic of the three steps in Masonry. The height of the building is 175 feet and is constructed of Bedford limestone with gray granite trim. (Architects: Eames and Young).
3)At 3821 Lindell is Moolah Temple of the Mystic Shrine (completed in 1912), a brick and tile building in the Moorish style.
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I dropped out the quote about the dedication of the Iowa GL building "being the most important event in Iowa Masonry". It was removed as "puffery", then put back as "a quote of puffery". The fact remains that it is still puffery, as opposed to a statement of fact. At best, it is a subjective quote, which is also not a statement of fact. Therefore, it adds nothing of value to the entry on the building, other than an attempt to find something that asserts the importance of the building, and thus its inclusion on the list. MSJapan ( talk) 02:22, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
The list-article is obviously long now and I expect to split it soon. Probably to just split off List of Masonic buildings in the United States. The huge amount of edit history in developing the United States entries would be left behind in the current list-article, but i see no remedy for that. I'm not expecting there's any other alternative, but would consider any others' comments. -- do ncr am 12:31, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 | ← | Archive 4 | Archive 5 | Archive 6 | Archive 7 |
According to the source this building was built as a Danish community center for immigrants... then sold to the Sons of Haiti (an African-American Masonic group) in 1973... however the source seems to indicate that the Sons rent the building out to other tenants. I would agree that it is logical to assume that they meet (or once met) in the building as well, but the source does not actually verify that this is the case. I would ask that we attempt to confirm whether they meet/met in the building or not... If a masonic group is merely the landlord, inclusion is questionable. Blueboar ( talk) 00:12, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
My opinion at this point would be that since the Masons didn't build it, they don't currently own it, and lent little notability to it while they did own it, it shouldn't be in this list.-- SarekOfVulcan ( talk) 16:47, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
this building is apparently Listed which automagically denotes notability. It's the HQ of the Order of Women Freemasons, so may potentially belong in this list. -- ALR ( talk) 11:34, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
OK... Clariosophic seems fairly insistent that we work on things here... so... below are my latest thoughts on format put into a preliminary version of just one section (the section for Asia)... note that I have broken out the geographical info into separate sortable columns. Since this is currently a small and managable sub-set (ie it will not be difficult to make changes), I propose that we use it to reach a consensus on the basic structure... then when we have reached a consensus, we can move on to Europe and finally North America. Blueboar ( talk) 00:32, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
Image | Building name | Country | State/Province | City/Town | Year built | Notes |
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Zetland Hall | China | Hong Kong SAR | Hong Kong | 1865/1949 | Name refers to two buildings at different locations, Both purpose built to house the District Grand Lodge. [1] | |
Goshamal Baradari | India | Andhra Pradesh | Hyderabad | 1682 | Originally constructed as a palace for the Nizam of Hyderbad. Donated to the Masons in 1872 it has been used as a meeting hall since. [2] | |
Penang Masonic Temple | Malaysia | Penang | George Town | 1927 | Purpose built as a Masonic hall, currently houses several Masonic lodges. [3] | |
Masonic Temple | Pakistan | Punjab | Lahore | 1914 | Purpose built as a Masonic hall, it was the meeting place for Lodge of Hope and Perseverance No. 782 from 1914 to 1972. Now remodeled, it is used as a multi-purpose Punjab government building. [4] [5] | |
Freemasons Lodge Building | Pakistan | Sindh | Karachi | 1914 | Purpose built as Masonic hall and used as such until 1972. Now used by the Sindh Wildlife Department Conservator; renovations began in circa 2008. [6] |
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It seems like we have moved on from Asia. I have moved that section to the holding pen and I will post the Islands section so everyone can see what it would look like. Blueboar ( talk) 14:47, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
From the comments above, I think we have a consensus approving of the idea of conversion over to a chart format (if someone disagrees, please do speak up)... the next question would be implementation. I see two options... 1) review and reach a consensus on the entire list, and then carry out the conversion en-mass ... or 2) review and reach a consensus on each "by continent" section, and convert each section as we go along. (If the latter, I would suggest we break up the review of the US buildings by state and convert as they become ready). Your thoughts? Blueboar ( talk) 16:06, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
Image | Building name | Country | State/Province | City/Town | Year Built | Notes |
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State House | Bermuda | NA | St. George's | 1620 | The oldest stone building in Bermuda. Housed Bermuda's Parliament from 1620 until 1815, when the capital was relocated to Hamilton. Since 1815 it has been leased in perpetuity to a Masonic Lodge. [1] | |
Masonic Temple | Spain | Canary Islands | Santa Cruz de Tenerife | 1899 - 1902 | Purpose built as Masonic hall, currently houses several lodges. [2] |
Arrgh... I am trying to put a {{reflist}} for the new section, so people can see that the material is properly sourced... it works fine in preview mode (ie it gives me the two references cited the new section)... but for some reason it does not work when go live and save it to the page (it repeats the references for the Asia section). Obviously, this will not be a problem once we convert on the main page (we will have one reflist for the entire article, as you can see at the Talk:List of Masonic buildings/Conversion to chart format holding pen). I think the glitch is just a function of breaking it down here (having more than one reflist on a page may confuse the software). I have made this work before, but I don't remember how. Blueboar ( talk) 14:11, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
Since we have started to talk about this section above... I will post an initial draft. Blueboar ( talk) 17:31, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
Image | Building name | Country | State/Province/region | City/Town | Year Built | Notes |
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Royal Masonic School for Boys | United Kingdom | England | Bushey | 1903 | Purpose built as a school by the United Grand Lodge of England, it closed in 1973 and is now in use as a state school. | |
Cheltenham Masonic Hall | United Kingdom | England | Cheltenham | 1818 | Purpose built as a Masonic Hall and still used as such [1] | |
The Hanging Chapel | United Kingdom | England | Langport | 13th Century | Originally built as a fortified gateway, the building as been used as a guild chapel, town hall, courthouse grammar school and museum. It has been used as a Masonic hall since 1891, and is currently leased by the town council to the Portcullis Lodge. [2] | |
The Cloisters | United Kingdom | England | Letchworth | 1907 | Originally built as an open-air school dedicated to Psychology, it was sold to the local Freemasons after World War II. Several Masonic lodges currently meet in the building. [3] | |
Chiswick House | United Kingdom | England | London | 1726-1729 | Built as a private house for Lord Burlington, used as such until 1892 when it was converted into a mental hospital. While no evidence exists to indicate Masonic use some scholars speculate that the building has Masonic motifs [4] | |
Freemasons Hall | United Kingdom | England | London | 1933 | The headquarters of the United Grand Lodge of England and the third Masonic building at this location, which has been a Masonic meeting place since 1775. [5] | |
27 Pembridge Gardens | United Kingdom | England | London | unknown | Originally built as a private home in 19th century building, it was donated to the Order of Women Freemasons in 1924, and has been used as the order's headquarters since. [6] | |
Royal Masonic School for Girls | United Kingdom | England | Rickmansworth | 1934 | Purpose built as a school by United Grand Lodge of England [7] | |
Church of St Edmund | United Kingdom | England | Rochdale | 1873 | A Grade I listed building, the church's construction was commissioned by Freemason Albert Hudson Royds; it is extensively decorated with Masonic symbols. [8] | |
Freemasons Hall | United Kingdom | England | Sunderland | 1785 | A Grade I listed building believed to be oldest purpose-built Masonic hall in the world; still in use for that purpose. [9] | |
Pollokshields Burgh Hall | United Kingdom | Scotland | Glasgow | 1890 | Purpose built as a Masonic hall; the meeting place for Lodge Pollok, Pollokshields No. 772. | |
Lodge Mother Kilwinning | United Kingdom | Scotland | Kilwinning | 1893 | The lodge's building, consecrated in 1893, includes a museum of Masonic artefacts. The lodge traces its history to the building of Kilwinning Abbey, circa 1140. The current lodge building replaced a lodge building that was erected in 1779. [10] |
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Here is what we have for Canada... and the US (Alaska, Alabama and Arizona)... more to come (I think it best to do this in smallish chunks) Blueboar ( talk) 00:00, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
Image | Building name | Country | State/Province | City/Town | Year Built | Notes |
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Masonic Temple | Canada | Newfoundland | St. John's | 1896 | Purpose built as Masonic hall - Currently houses several lodges. [1] | |
Masonic Temple | Canada | Ontario | Toronto | 1917 | Purpose built as Masonic hall, sold in 1994 and remodeled. Now known as the CTV Temple (home of MTV Canada) [2] | |
Montreal Masonic Memorial Temple | Canada | Quebec | Montreal | NA | Purpose built as Masonic hall - currently houses several Masonic lodges. [3] | |
Masonic Temple | United States | Alaska | Fairbanks | 1906 | Originally constructed by the Tanana Commercial Company, the Masons purchased the building in 1908 and renovated to add a second story for lodge rooms and a main hall. [4] [5] | |
West End Masonic Temple | United States | Alabama | Birmingham | 1926 | Purpose built as a Masonic hall, it was used as such until 1985, when it was sold and converted to office space. The building was destroyed in a fire on New Year's Day, 1996. [6] | |
Crane Hill Masonic Lodge | United States | Alabama | Crane Hill | 1904 | Historically used as a department store, dwelling, and a school [7], it is currently used as a Masonic hall. [8] | |
Helion Lodge | United States | Alabama | Huntsville | 1911 | Home of the oldest Freemasons' lodge in Alabama, which erected this building to replace a previous building. [9] | |
The Temple Downtown | United States | Alabama | Mobile | 1922 | Purpose built to house a
Scottish Rite chapter, the building has been sold and converted into a banqueting venue.
[10]
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Joseph T. Smitherman Historic Building | United States | Alabama | Selma | 1847 | Constructed in 1847 as the Central Masonic Institute, a school for orphans and the children of indigent Masons, the building subsequently was used to house various schools and hospitals and at one point housed the Dallas County Courthouse. It is currently a historical museum. [11] | |
Masonic Temple | United States | Arizona | Kingman | 1939 | Purpose built as a Masonic hall and constructed by the WPA, the building is currently is used for office space. [12] | |
Polly Rosenbaum Building (originally the El Zaribah Shrine Auditorium) | United States | Arizona | Phoenix | 1921 | Moorish Revival building built as a meeting hall for the Phoenix chapter of the Ancient Arabic Order of the Nobles of the Mystic Shrine (the Shriners). After the Shriners built a new auditorium in 1989, this building was acquired by the Arizona Department of Mines and Minerals and remodeled. It now houses a museum. [13] | |
Masonic Hall | United States | Arizona | Wickenburg | 1922 | Built as a meeting hall for the local Freemasons and Knights of Pythias, both of which needed to hold their meetings on the second floor; no building that fit this requirement was available in Wickenburg. Later housed a Montgomery Ward department store. [14] | |
Masonic Temple | United States | Arizona | Yuma | 1931 | Purpose built as a Masonic hall and still serving that function. [15] |
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help page).Note the citation request for the hall in Wickenburg, AZ... I can find no source (yet) that says there ever was a lodge in that town. Yes, I agree that the building would probably be named "Masonic Hall" if a lodge never met there... but the threshold for inclusion of information is "verifiability not truth"... we need confirmation. So we have to keep digging. Ideally, I would like a source that can tell us whether the building was purpose built as a lodge or was purchased (and then later sold) by a lodge. Does the NRHP database have anything on this? Blueboar ( talk) 00:09, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
According to Peoria #31's " Golden Scroll":
That could explain the timing issues above... -- SarekOfVulcan ( talk) 13:48, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
New Issue: Regarding the
El Zaribah Shrine Auditorium... I realize that the NRHP lists the building by that that name, but does anyone else? We actually have a three way "listed name" vs "common name" vs "official name" conflict... We know what the NRHP calls it... and given the huge lettering on the outside of the building (seen
here), the common name is probably the "Arizona Mining and Mineral Museum" while The "offical name" used by the Dept. itself is the "Polly Rosenbaum building"... I raise the issue because, apparently, there is another building in Phoenix that goes by the name "El Zariba Shrine Auditorium" (ie the current El Zaribah Shrine Auditorium ... the building that the Shriners built and moved into when they sold their former building to the ADMM, see
here). Thoughts? (note... I have opened a discussion about a possible page move at the main article... but for now I am just asking how we should list it here. I don't really like the somewhat long and clunky way it is currently listed... but it at least draws attention to the issue.)
Blueboar (
talk) 14:22, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
Image | Building name | Country | State/Province | City/Town | Year Built | Notes |
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Farmers and Merchants Bank-Masonic Lodge | United States | Arkansas | Booneville | 1906 | Designed in the Colonial Revival and Early Commercial architecture styles, the building was originally planned as a commercial building to house the Farmers and Merchants Bank. When the construction plans were announced, two Masonic lodges joined with the bank to add a meeting hall on the second floor. [1] The building still houses the bank, but the lodges have since moved out. [2] | |
Bradford City Hall-Byers Masonic Lodge | United States | Arkansas | Bradford | 1934 | Constructed jointly by Beyers Masonic Lodge and the Bradford city government, the building was shared until the lodge shut down. [1] | |
Yell Masonic Lodge Hall | United States | Arkansas | Carrollton | 1876 | Questions: constructed as Masonic hall or a Church? (NRHP lists it as being used as both, but no indication of what order)... according to ARSoc, there is/was a Yell Lodge #64 (defunct?) that met there... when did it move in/out of the building? what is current status of building? | |
Chester Masonic Lodge and Community Building | United States | Arkansas | Chester | 1942 | Purpose built as a Masonic Hall, it was constructed using materials from both a school and a previous Masonic Hall [1] | |
Lee's Chapel Church and Masonic Hall | United States | Arkansas | Cushman | 1946 | Constructed jointly and shared by Lee's Chapel Methodist Church and Montgomery Lodge No. 360. [1] The lodge subsequently moved to Cave City. [3] | |
Masonic Temple | United States | Arkansas | El Dorado | 1924 | Art Deco and revival architectural styles (Questions... Masonic associations of the building needed) | |
Fort Smith Masonic Temple | United States | Arkansas | Fort Smith | includes Art Deco, Exotic Revival, Egyptian Revival architecture. (needed - masonic associations of the building) | ||
Hampton Masonic Lodge Building | United States | Arkansas | Hampton | 1930 | Built as a commercial building, the Hampton Masonic Lodge was the first tenant in the upstairs space. [4] The upstairs space was later used by the Farmers Home Administration and several mercantile establishments before being acquired by the county for use as a public library. [5] | |
Knob School--Masonic Lodge | United States | Arkansas | Knob | 1923 | Purpose built to house both a Craftsman's school and a Masonic lodge. [1] | |
Mount Moriah Masonic Lodge No. 18 | United States | Arkansas | Lisbon | 1858 | Purpose built to be a Masonic hall, and still used as such, the Historic Preservation Alliance of Arkansas believes it may be the oldest building in the state still used for its original purpose by its original owner. [6] | |
Masonic Temple | United States | Arkansas | Pine Bluff | 1902 | Purpose built in a Neoclassical style to house an African American Masonic order. [1] | |
Russellville Masonic Temple | United States | Arkansas | Russellville | Built as a Masonic Temple with the first floor rented to the city for use as the city Hall. In 1943 the city bought the building, paid off the mortgage and rented the second floor to the Masons. As of 2001, the Masons were preparing to vacate the second floor. [7] |
As you can see, I some questions regarding the Masonic history/connection of some of these buildings... Hopefully someone will be able to come up with the answers. Blueboar ( talk) 01:05, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
Working from the index of Masonic buildings in this list-article, Blueboar started on a new editing campaign to change the standard NRIS reference in Masonic buildings articles, in about 20 so far. I asked him at his Talk page, i hoped politely enough, to stop. He has now agreed to stop.
The topic has been discussed abundantly in the archives of this Talk:List of Masonic buildings article. Various alternatives have been discussed which are better than the way Blueboar has edited these (notably he deletes the mention of the National Park Service as publisher, and he drops the cite web formatting). The leading replacement candidate, as i recall, was something like simply dropping the url given in the cite web reference. B did open a thread recently at wt:NRHP, about new instances of NRIS footnote, which did not get any response. Could editors here please consider contributing to that discussion (at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places#Please change the standard citation to omit the link), now to expand also to address old instances of the standard NRIS reference? -- doncram ( talk) 15:11, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
I removed to Archive 6 the drafted tables and some discussion from November, all older than the 30 day or whatever Mizrabot archiving set for this page. Perhaps Mizrabot can't archive a section that big.
There was some good development in those drafted tables which is worth capturing in articles. I notice many footnotes developed with sources about particular places that are not included in their individual articles.
Also, there were multiple other assertions in those drafted tables, like that places were "purpose-built" (not an English language term with which i am familiar) that are not supported by their articles.
Overall, i don't think the drafted tables were or are ready to be considered as a proposal to be brought into this list-article, because of those mis-matches between articles and what is said in the tables. The table descriptions should not contain anything not supported in the individual articles. That is one of several criteria previously discussed for developing tables to be included in the list-article. That specific problem could be addressed by a lot of editing in the individual articles (and by removal of assertions about "purpose-built"ed ness). I would support the articles being improved. -- Doncram ( talk) 22:52, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
In these edits i converted the Virginia section into table-ized format. If this is okay, i may proceed slowly to table-ize other U.S. sections into one big U.S. table. Please note:
Comments welcome. -- Doncram ( talk) 18:06, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
There are a number of impressive masonic buildings in St. Louis, Mo, e.g. this one in midtown on Lindell blvd. Why have they beeen forgotten? I do not want to interfere here, but I have written a short article in German WP on the subject of this "double decker acropolis" and I would be happy to have better and newer pictures not only regarding this building but also regarding the other masonic landmarks on Lindell. Robert Schediwy -- 91.129.8.20 ( talk) 09:31, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
P.S.: Here's some useful information on the topic:
1)The Scottish Rite Cathedral, at 3627 Lindell, was designed by William B. Ittner and was dedicated in 1924. A fine example of neo Classic style, the building has a frontage of 235 feet and is approached by a broad flight of steps. Its auditorium seats 3000 persons. Features are an extremely wide proscenium and a fine organ.
2)The Masonic Temple at 3681 Lindell was completed in 1926. The three receding stages of the classic style building are symbolic of the three steps in Masonry. The height of the building is 175 feet and is constructed of Bedford limestone with gray granite trim. (Architects: Eames and Young).
3)At 3821 Lindell is Moolah Temple of the Mystic Shrine (completed in 1912), a brick and tile building in the Moorish style.
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91.129.8.20 (
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I dropped out the quote about the dedication of the Iowa GL building "being the most important event in Iowa Masonry". It was removed as "puffery", then put back as "a quote of puffery". The fact remains that it is still puffery, as opposed to a statement of fact. At best, it is a subjective quote, which is also not a statement of fact. Therefore, it adds nothing of value to the entry on the building, other than an attempt to find something that asserts the importance of the building, and thus its inclusion on the list. MSJapan ( talk) 02:22, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
The list-article is obviously long now and I expect to split it soon. Probably to just split off List of Masonic buildings in the United States. The huge amount of edit history in developing the United States entries would be left behind in the current list-article, but i see no remedy for that. I'm not expecting there's any other alternative, but would consider any others' comments. -- do ncr am 12:31, 1 April 2011 (UTC)