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This too far from the neutrality and especially from a serious text. The list includes Bulgarian POV, a propaganda that obviously took its roots here too. The people are Macedonian and I assure you there is no BG Macedonians. I am seeing this for a first time. Please be serious.-- MacedonianBoy Oui? 22:26, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
Please , provide proves about your edits and deletes, if no, go away! Jingby ( talk) 07:38, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
Please , provide proves about your edits. Thank you. Jingby ( talk) 08:50, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
PMK1, a few of those you have tagged as claimed by the Republic of Macedonia are agreeable, but come on, Paisiy? Zhinzifov? Miletich? Vaptsarov? You've got to draw a line somewhere, buddy. You've gone too far even compared to the Macedonian Wikipedia ( [1] [2]). Todor → Bozhinov 12:08, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
Please provide references that this people are considered Macedonians in RoM. Thank you.! Jingby ( talk) 13:31, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
Please, RMK1, provide references about this people. I am shure, most of them are not consideret to be ethnic Macedonians in your country. Jingby ( talk) 05:35, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
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Awhile ago in the list of Macedonians user StephenMacky added a neutrality disputed tag and mentioned how once the neutrality is fixed they could move onto this list, but they never did. Because of this ive decided to add the tag and in this little thread i'll explain the issues and once we can reach a compromise we can remove the tag.
Problem 1 : some of the people featured on this list violates the NPOV in their respected wiki this includes :
these people in their wiki articles arent label as Macedonians nor Bulgarians for neutrality so adding them here violates the agreed neutrality in their wikis
Problem 2 : missuse of the second tag
Tag 2 states the following "People that are considered to be ethnic Macedonians in North Macedonia, despite their Bulgarian self-identification." this is a terrible label and here is why:
So how can we fix this issue?
If anyone has any other suggestions please comment them here so we can reach a good compromise. Gurther ( talk) 10:27, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
Hello TzCher. Please make a case here. You said that Georgievski and Garvanliev meet the criteria because they have claimed a Bulgarian origin. The definition in the article Macedonian Bulgarians seems to focus on self-identification. So, unless they have self-identified as such, I do not see how they meet the criteria. StephenMacky1 ( talk) 12:34, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
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This too far from the neutrality and especially from a serious text. The list includes Bulgarian POV, a propaganda that obviously took its roots here too. The people are Macedonian and I assure you there is no BG Macedonians. I am seeing this for a first time. Please be serious.-- MacedonianBoy Oui? 22:26, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
Please , provide proves about your edits and deletes, if no, go away! Jingby ( talk) 07:38, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
Please , provide proves about your edits. Thank you. Jingby ( talk) 08:50, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
PMK1, a few of those you have tagged as claimed by the Republic of Macedonia are agreeable, but come on, Paisiy? Zhinzifov? Miletich? Vaptsarov? You've got to draw a line somewhere, buddy. You've gone too far even compared to the Macedonian Wikipedia ( [1] [2]). Todor → Bozhinov 12:08, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
Please provide references that this people are considered Macedonians in RoM. Thank you.! Jingby ( talk) 13:31, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
Please, RMK1, provide references about this people. I am shure, most of them are not consideret to be ethnic Macedonians in your country. Jingby ( talk) 05:35, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
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Awhile ago in the list of Macedonians user StephenMacky added a neutrality disputed tag and mentioned how once the neutrality is fixed they could move onto this list, but they never did. Because of this ive decided to add the tag and in this little thread i'll explain the issues and once we can reach a compromise we can remove the tag.
Problem 1 : some of the people featured on this list violates the NPOV in their respected wiki this includes :
these people in their wiki articles arent label as Macedonians nor Bulgarians for neutrality so adding them here violates the agreed neutrality in their wikis
Problem 2 : missuse of the second tag
Tag 2 states the following "People that are considered to be ethnic Macedonians in North Macedonia, despite their Bulgarian self-identification." this is a terrible label and here is why:
So how can we fix this issue?
If anyone has any other suggestions please comment them here so we can reach a good compromise. Gurther ( talk) 10:27, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
Hello TzCher. Please make a case here. You said that Georgievski and Garvanliev meet the criteria because they have claimed a Bulgarian origin. The definition in the article Macedonian Bulgarians seems to focus on self-identification. So, unless they have self-identified as such, I do not see how they meet the criteria. StephenMacky1 ( talk) 12:34, 4 July 2024 (UTC)