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People should be listed by era in which they acted, not when they were born. If not then at least find a better way to organize them as by birth date is confusing and somewhat irrelevent. If you're going to stick with this particular categorial method then at least headline it like, "born in the 1980's" rather then "1980s" which confused me right off.
I think there should be rules to who is actually "Italian". Just because someone has some Italian heritage, does that make them eligible to be categorized as "Italian"? If someone is of German, Irish and Italian heritage, I'd say they're just as much German, or Irish as they are Italian. Therefore is it meaningful to categorize them as one or the other? I guess... but only if the German, and Irish people are doing it as well. ^_^ hehe which apparently they are. So be it.
The following people need sources that actually say they are Italian Americans or Italian. Not sources that say they had an Italian grandmother, descent, etc. Per Wikipedia:No original research and this page's title (some of these may be Sicilian-Americans and therefore should be on the Sic-American page):
Mad Jack 19:11, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
He's Italian. WHERE DID HE GO?!
Is this list a notable intersection? It may be nice trivia to know these people are Italian-Americans but why create an intersection when List of Italian-Americans pretty much makes the exact same statement? I'll ask here just in case I'm missing something, otherwise I think AFD should be considered. Bulldog123 14:28, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
If persons of half-Italian ancestry are included (i.e., Jan Leno, John Travolta) why do examples with Italian surnames dominate? Aren't actors with Italian mothers just as "half-Italian?" Why the strong nod to paternal descent? -- Giacomo57 09:22, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
Why the nod to paternal descent? Because in Italy you are Italian by paternal descent first and foremost. If you do not carry an Italian surname you are not therefore paternally Italian ...and your children (if married) will carrying that non-Italian surname.
There are a few issues being tossed here. One of genetics, ethnic and religious social and religious conventions. Jewish law the mother must be Jewish. Frankly, this list is ridiculous since the half-Jewish and Mulatto members should also be on a different list specific to their heritage and background either actors of partial Jewish descent or mixed-race actors. If one is half-Jewish (or half-black) where are they solely Italian-American? They aren't. If the mother is Jewish by Jewish law would be considered Jewish. And in the black sense they would be first and foremost considered mulatto in their own community. I don't see any Caucasian Italian-American viewing them the same. This is reality and genetic reality. Solidzz ( talk) 15:15, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
There is no official criteria by which to include or exclude a mixed person of partial Italian descent. That paternal descent stuff is super archaic and heavily influenced by chauvinistic ideas of a woman being part of the "inferior" human races, also archaic religious traditions though even old Roman tradition wasn't so narrow and in modern Italy Oriundi qualify for full ius sanguini (blood right) citizenship if they have one Italian ancestor within the last 3 generation who never gave up their citizenship, male or female though obviously there is more to ethnicity than blood anyhow. Cultural and linguistic identity are also important. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mepersondudeman ( talk • contribs) 02:28, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
This is a short list of notable Italian-American actors who do not appear on the original list. All those people considered by different sources like Italian-American (ie, people who are direct descents of Italian, having a Italian father,to a close ancestor Italian, etc...) excluded from the original list on this list. Please, if you have a reliable source to accept or reject these people as Italian-Americans indicate this:
As far as I know, the only people mentioned there that are of any Italian heritage are the Jonas brothers, where did you get these? — Preceding
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Some entries are listed as having an "Italian" parent and an "American" parent. What does this mean? Is the American parent of Native ancestry? If the ethnic background is unknown, why not just leave it out? Certainly it doesn't mean that the Italian parent is not American as well. ... discospinster talk 22:02, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of List of Italian-American actors's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "Tribute":
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 18:41, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
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People should be listed by era in which they acted, not when they were born. If not then at least find a better way to organize them as by birth date is confusing and somewhat irrelevent. If you're going to stick with this particular categorial method then at least headline it like, "born in the 1980's" rather then "1980s" which confused me right off.
I think there should be rules to who is actually "Italian". Just because someone has some Italian heritage, does that make them eligible to be categorized as "Italian"? If someone is of German, Irish and Italian heritage, I'd say they're just as much German, or Irish as they are Italian. Therefore is it meaningful to categorize them as one or the other? I guess... but only if the German, and Irish people are doing it as well. ^_^ hehe which apparently they are. So be it.
The following people need sources that actually say they are Italian Americans or Italian. Not sources that say they had an Italian grandmother, descent, etc. Per Wikipedia:No original research and this page's title (some of these may be Sicilian-Americans and therefore should be on the Sic-American page):
Mad Jack 19:11, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
He's Italian. WHERE DID HE GO?!
Is this list a notable intersection? It may be nice trivia to know these people are Italian-Americans but why create an intersection when List of Italian-Americans pretty much makes the exact same statement? I'll ask here just in case I'm missing something, otherwise I think AFD should be considered. Bulldog123 14:28, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
If persons of half-Italian ancestry are included (i.e., Jan Leno, John Travolta) why do examples with Italian surnames dominate? Aren't actors with Italian mothers just as "half-Italian?" Why the strong nod to paternal descent? -- Giacomo57 09:22, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
Why the nod to paternal descent? Because in Italy you are Italian by paternal descent first and foremost. If you do not carry an Italian surname you are not therefore paternally Italian ...and your children (if married) will carrying that non-Italian surname.
There are a few issues being tossed here. One of genetics, ethnic and religious social and religious conventions. Jewish law the mother must be Jewish. Frankly, this list is ridiculous since the half-Jewish and Mulatto members should also be on a different list specific to their heritage and background either actors of partial Jewish descent or mixed-race actors. If one is half-Jewish (or half-black) where are they solely Italian-American? They aren't. If the mother is Jewish by Jewish law would be considered Jewish. And in the black sense they would be first and foremost considered mulatto in their own community. I don't see any Caucasian Italian-American viewing them the same. This is reality and genetic reality. Solidzz ( talk) 15:15, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
There is no official criteria by which to include or exclude a mixed person of partial Italian descent. That paternal descent stuff is super archaic and heavily influenced by chauvinistic ideas of a woman being part of the "inferior" human races, also archaic religious traditions though even old Roman tradition wasn't so narrow and in modern Italy Oriundi qualify for full ius sanguini (blood right) citizenship if they have one Italian ancestor within the last 3 generation who never gave up their citizenship, male or female though obviously there is more to ethnicity than blood anyhow. Cultural and linguistic identity are also important. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mepersondudeman ( talk • contribs) 02:28, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
This is a short list of notable Italian-American actors who do not appear on the original list. All those people considered by different sources like Italian-American (ie, people who are direct descents of Italian, having a Italian father,to a close ancestor Italian, etc...) excluded from the original list on this list. Please, if you have a reliable source to accept or reject these people as Italian-Americans indicate this:
As far as I know, the only people mentioned there that are of any Italian heritage are the Jonas brothers, where did you get these? — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Mepersondudeman (
talk •
contribs) 02:44, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
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Isinbill (
talk)
21:36, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
Some entries are listed as having an "Italian" parent and an "American" parent. What does this mean? Is the American parent of Native ancestry? If the ethnic background is unknown, why not just leave it out? Certainly it doesn't mean that the Italian parent is not American as well. ... discospinster talk 22:02, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of List of Italian-American actors's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "Tribute":
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 18:41, 23 March 2015 (UTC)