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This list is intended to include military personnel who for whatever reason resist participation in the Iraq War. It is more inclusive than Conscientious Objectors rewinn 04:46, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Evidence of Ryan Johnson to justify his inclusion in piece:
http://www.resisters.ca/resisters_stories.html#Ryan
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/06/07/1334238
http://www.veteransforpeace.org/kyle_snyder_arrested_released.vp.html [Ryan Johnson mentioned]
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/08/06/RESISTERS.TMP SF Chronicle!
http://www.politicalaffairs.net/article/view/4598/1/230
Not sure why he needs a separate page, but I'll create a stub if it's really needed. HG 08:07, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
Ryan Johnson article deleted via AfD. Per decision, I summed up minimal info to explain (i.e. ref) his inclusion in the list. Kindly do not remove w/o discussion here or w/me. HG | Talk 15:52, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
I added Ben Griffin with the soldiers who refused to continue fighting over concerns of the wars illegality. But he's more vocal about it being because he refused to fight for american foriegn policy alongside american soldiers who were commiting war crimes daily. It's not a great fit though, so if anyone has any thoughts on that i'd be interested. Elmo 22:58, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
Given that this article looks like it is on track to a "keep" consensus at Wikipedia:Articles for Deletion, this article has major problems which need to be corrected to bring it into accordance with Wikipedia policy. A few immediate concerns: Unreferenced entries, a gross violation of WP:BLP which should be removed immediately. Citations to sources which do not meet WP:RS, such as activist websites (and entries which cite only to those sources should also be removed immediately). Grouping by category, which seems arbitrary and somewhat POV. More generally, this list should be strictly limited to those who have a demonstrated assertion to WP:NOTABILITY, which according to Wikipedia policy means: "substantive coverage in multiple independent reliable sources (...) sources address the subject directly in detail". KleenupKrew ( talk) 09:59, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
I just reverted the page (the diff can be seen here), because I think the revision disagrees with WP:NPOV. While the statement may be true, this is not the appropriate way to phrase it. It sounds accusatory and biased. It may be prudent to put that information in another article, but since this is just a list of persons, this information should not be included here. Does anyone disagree or have any thoughts? — OranL ( talk) 20:45, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
Don't any war resisters go to Mexico instead of Canada? Badagnani ( talk) 22:50, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Boyd Reimer ( talk) 17:51, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
Some do, but none have chosen to be public or to seek asylum status there. -- Jmbranum ( talk) 01:42, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
I propose that we merge Kevin Benderman here as he is a minor figure whose only claim to notability is claiming conscientious objector status to resist deployment to Iraq. As such, he is better detailed here than in his own article, and I have added all the salient information about him here. Bonewah ( talk) 14:13, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
Since this page is about me and my personal criteria, I request it be removed. I know I am on other numerous sites and I have asked them to remove me as well. I would appreciate it being removed. Kevin M Benderman Kevinmb2 ( talk) 03:19, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
There are a ton of unsourced names listed here. These stand to be removed immediately. The further question is why do we keep non-notable people who are little more than a WP:ONEEVENT mention in some news coverage. The unsourced BLP's will probably get removed soon. It appears many of the sources are no longer available and I see some that will not pass WP:RS. Niteshift36 ( talk) 13:56, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
Paredes had his fifteen minutes of fame, but the only thing at all unique is that he apparently told the media before refusing to board his ship (to the extent that we can really trust that source, admittedly). Given a dearth of sources about him since that one event, I think it would be best to cover him with a few sentences at the List of Iraq War resisters. -- BDD ( talk) 02:24, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
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This list is intended to include military personnel who for whatever reason resist participation in the Iraq War. It is more inclusive than Conscientious Objectors rewinn 04:46, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Evidence of Ryan Johnson to justify his inclusion in piece:
http://www.resisters.ca/resisters_stories.html#Ryan
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/06/07/1334238
http://www.veteransforpeace.org/kyle_snyder_arrested_released.vp.html [Ryan Johnson mentioned]
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/08/06/RESISTERS.TMP SF Chronicle!
http://www.politicalaffairs.net/article/view/4598/1/230
Not sure why he needs a separate page, but I'll create a stub if it's really needed. HG 08:07, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
Ryan Johnson article deleted via AfD. Per decision, I summed up minimal info to explain (i.e. ref) his inclusion in the list. Kindly do not remove w/o discussion here or w/me. HG | Talk 15:52, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
I added Ben Griffin with the soldiers who refused to continue fighting over concerns of the wars illegality. But he's more vocal about it being because he refused to fight for american foriegn policy alongside american soldiers who were commiting war crimes daily. It's not a great fit though, so if anyone has any thoughts on that i'd be interested. Elmo 22:58, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
Given that this article looks like it is on track to a "keep" consensus at Wikipedia:Articles for Deletion, this article has major problems which need to be corrected to bring it into accordance with Wikipedia policy. A few immediate concerns: Unreferenced entries, a gross violation of WP:BLP which should be removed immediately. Citations to sources which do not meet WP:RS, such as activist websites (and entries which cite only to those sources should also be removed immediately). Grouping by category, which seems arbitrary and somewhat POV. More generally, this list should be strictly limited to those who have a demonstrated assertion to WP:NOTABILITY, which according to Wikipedia policy means: "substantive coverage in multiple independent reliable sources (...) sources address the subject directly in detail". KleenupKrew ( talk) 09:59, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
I just reverted the page (the diff can be seen here), because I think the revision disagrees with WP:NPOV. While the statement may be true, this is not the appropriate way to phrase it. It sounds accusatory and biased. It may be prudent to put that information in another article, but since this is just a list of persons, this information should not be included here. Does anyone disagree or have any thoughts? — OranL ( talk) 20:45, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
Don't any war resisters go to Mexico instead of Canada? Badagnani ( talk) 22:50, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Boyd Reimer ( talk) 17:51, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
Some do, but none have chosen to be public or to seek asylum status there. -- Jmbranum ( talk) 01:42, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
I propose that we merge Kevin Benderman here as he is a minor figure whose only claim to notability is claiming conscientious objector status to resist deployment to Iraq. As such, he is better detailed here than in his own article, and I have added all the salient information about him here. Bonewah ( talk) 14:13, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
Since this page is about me and my personal criteria, I request it be removed. I know I am on other numerous sites and I have asked them to remove me as well. I would appreciate it being removed. Kevin M Benderman Kevinmb2 ( talk) 03:19, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
There are a ton of unsourced names listed here. These stand to be removed immediately. The further question is why do we keep non-notable people who are little more than a WP:ONEEVENT mention in some news coverage. The unsourced BLP's will probably get removed soon. It appears many of the sources are no longer available and I see some that will not pass WP:RS. Niteshift36 ( talk) 13:56, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
Paredes had his fifteen minutes of fame, but the only thing at all unique is that he apparently told the media before refusing to board his ship (to the extent that we can really trust that source, admittedly). Given a dearth of sources about him since that one event, I think it would be best to cover him with a few sentences at the List of Iraq War resisters. -- BDD ( talk) 02:24, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
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