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@ Soaper1234: In response to your most recent edit - AlexTheWhovian ( talk · contribs) moved the page earlier today citing examples like Casualty which has the asterisk so guess he didn't check. I think it's better to have the series numbers in the title for better disambiguation between the two pages. There doesn't seem to be any formatting errors in the article anymore. Matt14451 ( talk) 19:09, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
Soaper1234 asked if I would move the page, so I have done so. Would adding move protection help to avoid any future problems? — ᴀnemone ᴘroᴊecтors 23:03, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Procedural close. Page redirected to List of Holby City episodes. wbm1058 ( talk) 11:00, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
List of Holby City episodes* →
List of Holby City episodes (series 1–11) – Requesting the page move to be listed in a similar case to
List of The Simpsons episodes (seasons 1–20),
List of Survivor (U.S. TV series) episodes (seasons 1–20),
List of Saturday Night Live episodes (seasons 1–15) and
List of Doctor Who episodes (1963–1989) /
List of Doctor Who episodes (2005–present). The asterisks makes no sense to the regular editor, and only appears to be an editor preference to have a similar name, especially since the page
appeared and worked perfectly acceptable under the new name and no technical errors were present. See
Talk:List of The Simpsons episodes (seasons 1–20)#Requested move 17 April 2016 for an identical requested move. --
Alex
TW 02:57, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
The asterisks makes no sense to the regular editor- Transclusion makes no sense to the regular editor, nor do the problems created when the post expand include size limit is exceeded.
and only appears to be an editor preference to have a similar name- I'm quite amazed that the nom would make this comment given that the reason has been explained multiple times in discussions in which he has participated, including at the Simpsons move that broke the article gain and above on this very page. Use of the asterisk reduces file size and minimises the work required to fix inevitable future breaks.
especially since the page appeared and worked perfectly acceptable under the new name and no technical errors were present- At this time, because of the split, List of Holby City episodes and List of Holby City episodes* both have some distance to go before breaking the 2MB limit. However, also as I explained above, it will break in the future as more series are added. The only reason it didn't break when this article was recently moved was because there is presently enough headroom to stop a break and that is exactly what we are aiming at with these splits and the naming - to make future problems easily solveable with a minimum of effort needed by editors. We shouldn't be creating a situation that is going to exacerbate future problems and require more effort to fix them, which is what moving this article will do.
In short, this issue is extremely simple, and Mt. Everest is being made out of an anthill concerning it. (Same discussion twice. Glad I copy-pasted.) -- Alex TW 07:50, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
I get that it is a cache page, but how long is it expected to remain as such?- Until such time as the post expand include size issue is addressed or we find a better way of transcluding articles, such as being able to transclude only the content between the tags.
You believe the previous RM to be unfortunate, but as can be seen, the list works perfectly well.- That's only because I fixed it.
Yes, it required "22" further edits, but that's what Wikipedia is all about - editing an article to make it better for the site as a whole.- No it's not. It's about providing an encyclopaedia for our readers. We shouldn't have to edit articles excessively in order to achieve that, but that's what is happening. And, when the article breaks again and again, we have to find somebody who knows what is causing it and how to fix it.
These edits could have been performed before the move- No they could not because the articles were reliant upon the article being at List of The Simpsons episodes*. Had the articles been changed before the move, this would have cause both List of The Simpsons episodes* and List of The Simpsons episodes to break in a different way.
You seem to be under the impression that when the main episodes article breaks, more seasons would need to be moved here. This is not the case. They could very easily be moved to a third new article- Regardless of whether you move them to this article or another article, they would have to be moved to another article. Creating a third article makes no sense. We shouldn't be forcing readers to go to multiple articles just to look at an episode list. Ideally we have the episodes listed in one place. Because of the post expand include size issue we're forced to use two articles but we shouldn't be using 3 when we don't need to.
Transclusion makes more sense to an editor than a random asterisks.- These are two different issues. Many editors seem to believe that when content is transcluded only the content between the tags is transcluded. Some don't even understand that. They just know it's necessary and the content magically appears. The asterisk is a different issue. It was chosen to keep the file size down so we can fit as much as possible into one article and avoid the need for an excessive number of articles, as weel as to note that it wasn't actually a separate article per se. Once the cache page is created it shouldn't really need to be edited again. Only the LoE page needs editing. In the case of this series, with 33 seasons to date, we now have 34 pages just to list the episodes. That's a lot for readers to look through to find content and we shouldn't be forcing them to have to look through even more.
What if a third article was necessary after both exceed the limit? Two asterisks?- That's a LONG way off because of the way that the pages have been created. A lot of thought went into this.
this issue is extremely simple, and Mt. Everest is being made out of an anthill concerning it.- Yes, by you with this RM. Leave everything alone and all works fine. You're trying to "fix" something that doesn't need fixing.
Same discussion twice. Glad I copy-pasted.)- If you had decided to discuss this first instead of diving into an RM things would have been a lot simpler. We could have had one discussion. -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 10:01, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
I have no idea what seasons covers a title with an *- You have no idea what seasons any "List of <foo> episodes" cover as they don't even mention seasons in the article title. Nor do you need to know, as explained at the discussion at WP:NCTV. -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 17:33, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
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@ Soaper1234: In response to your most recent edit - AlexTheWhovian ( talk · contribs) moved the page earlier today citing examples like Casualty which has the asterisk so guess he didn't check. I think it's better to have the series numbers in the title for better disambiguation between the two pages. There doesn't seem to be any formatting errors in the article anymore. Matt14451 ( talk) 19:09, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
Soaper1234 asked if I would move the page, so I have done so. Would adding move protection help to avoid any future problems? — ᴀnemone ᴘroᴊecтors 23:03, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Procedural close. Page redirected to List of Holby City episodes. wbm1058 ( talk) 11:00, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
List of Holby City episodes* →
List of Holby City episodes (series 1–11) – Requesting the page move to be listed in a similar case to
List of The Simpsons episodes (seasons 1–20),
List of Survivor (U.S. TV series) episodes (seasons 1–20),
List of Saturday Night Live episodes (seasons 1–15) and
List of Doctor Who episodes (1963–1989) /
List of Doctor Who episodes (2005–present). The asterisks makes no sense to the regular editor, and only appears to be an editor preference to have a similar name, especially since the page
appeared and worked perfectly acceptable under the new name and no technical errors were present. See
Talk:List of The Simpsons episodes (seasons 1–20)#Requested move 17 April 2016 for an identical requested move. --
Alex
TW 02:57, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
The asterisks makes no sense to the regular editor- Transclusion makes no sense to the regular editor, nor do the problems created when the post expand include size limit is exceeded.
and only appears to be an editor preference to have a similar name- I'm quite amazed that the nom would make this comment given that the reason has been explained multiple times in discussions in which he has participated, including at the Simpsons move that broke the article gain and above on this very page. Use of the asterisk reduces file size and minimises the work required to fix inevitable future breaks.
especially since the page appeared and worked perfectly acceptable under the new name and no technical errors were present- At this time, because of the split, List of Holby City episodes and List of Holby City episodes* both have some distance to go before breaking the 2MB limit. However, also as I explained above, it will break in the future as more series are added. The only reason it didn't break when this article was recently moved was because there is presently enough headroom to stop a break and that is exactly what we are aiming at with these splits and the naming - to make future problems easily solveable with a minimum of effort needed by editors. We shouldn't be creating a situation that is going to exacerbate future problems and require more effort to fix them, which is what moving this article will do.
In short, this issue is extremely simple, and Mt. Everest is being made out of an anthill concerning it. (Same discussion twice. Glad I copy-pasted.) -- Alex TW 07:50, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
I get that it is a cache page, but how long is it expected to remain as such?- Until such time as the post expand include size issue is addressed or we find a better way of transcluding articles, such as being able to transclude only the content between the tags.
You believe the previous RM to be unfortunate, but as can be seen, the list works perfectly well.- That's only because I fixed it.
Yes, it required "22" further edits, but that's what Wikipedia is all about - editing an article to make it better for the site as a whole.- No it's not. It's about providing an encyclopaedia for our readers. We shouldn't have to edit articles excessively in order to achieve that, but that's what is happening. And, when the article breaks again and again, we have to find somebody who knows what is causing it and how to fix it.
These edits could have been performed before the move- No they could not because the articles were reliant upon the article being at List of The Simpsons episodes*. Had the articles been changed before the move, this would have cause both List of The Simpsons episodes* and List of The Simpsons episodes to break in a different way.
You seem to be under the impression that when the main episodes article breaks, more seasons would need to be moved here. This is not the case. They could very easily be moved to a third new article- Regardless of whether you move them to this article or another article, they would have to be moved to another article. Creating a third article makes no sense. We shouldn't be forcing readers to go to multiple articles just to look at an episode list. Ideally we have the episodes listed in one place. Because of the post expand include size issue we're forced to use two articles but we shouldn't be using 3 when we don't need to.
Transclusion makes more sense to an editor than a random asterisks.- These are two different issues. Many editors seem to believe that when content is transcluded only the content between the tags is transcluded. Some don't even understand that. They just know it's necessary and the content magically appears. The asterisk is a different issue. It was chosen to keep the file size down so we can fit as much as possible into one article and avoid the need for an excessive number of articles, as weel as to note that it wasn't actually a separate article per se. Once the cache page is created it shouldn't really need to be edited again. Only the LoE page needs editing. In the case of this series, with 33 seasons to date, we now have 34 pages just to list the episodes. That's a lot for readers to look through to find content and we shouldn't be forcing them to have to look through even more.
What if a third article was necessary after both exceed the limit? Two asterisks?- That's a LONG way off because of the way that the pages have been created. A lot of thought went into this.
this issue is extremely simple, and Mt. Everest is being made out of an anthill concerning it.- Yes, by you with this RM. Leave everything alone and all works fine. You're trying to "fix" something that doesn't need fixing.
Same discussion twice. Glad I copy-pasted.)- If you had decided to discuss this first instead of diving into an RM things would have been a lot simpler. We could have had one discussion. -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 10:01, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
I have no idea what seasons covers a title with an *- You have no idea what seasons any "List of <foo> episodes" cover as they don't even mention seasons in the article title. Nor do you need to know, as explained at the discussion at WP:NCTV. -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 17:33, 30 September 2018 (UTC)