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Should these tables be sortable? By including images within the tables, each taking up multiple rows, you are changing the appearance of the table when sorted. Perhaps it would be better to place the images in a gallery below the table? -- Maelor 13:07, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
Is there a good reason for separating out the mountains which are to be found within the Brecon Beacons National Park into just two lists - one headed the 'Black Mountains' and one headed 'Brecon Beacons'.
The term Brecon Beacons is generally used in two ways - i) to refer to what I might call the central Beacons - the massif which extends from Pen y Fan and Corn Du eastwards to Talybont - the traditional Brecon Beacons prior to the designation of the national park and 2)to refer collectively to all of the mountains within the national park ie those in the Black Mountains, those in Fforest Fawr and those forming a part of the Black Mountain/Y Mynydd Du as well as those of the central Beacons. Either way it would make sense if breaking down the mass of mountains within the national park as a whole to break it down into i)the Black Mountains, ii) the Black Mountain, iii) Fforest Fawr and iv) the central Beacons - ie four areas, each with its own distinctive character.
It still leaves some loose ends such as the uplnads of Mynydd Llangynidr and Mynydd Llangatwg and the overlap of Fforest Fawr and the Black Mounatin at Fan Hir and Fan Brycheiniog. Any comment?
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See this thread here: Talk:List of Marilyns in Wales#Pronunciation. — ras52 ( talk) 13:22, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
I've created a list on cy:Wiki of 710 peaks in Cymru and am searching frantically for the en counterpart. Do you have such a list? Llywelyn2000 ( talk) 05:24, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
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Craig Gwaun Taf doesn't seem to be included yet - see list on the Nuttalls' site. Pam D 17:16, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
Two new articles have been created, List of Hewitt mountains in England, Wales and Ireland, List of Nuttall mountains in England and Wales, which are October 2018 downloads of the Database of British and Irish Hills (DoBIH) for Hewitts and Nuttalls.
These articles also have linking to individual Wikipedia articles (including Grid Ref linking). They have the DoBIH parent peak for Nuttalls (as per other new Wikipedia articles on Munro Tops and Donald Tops), and linked to their individual peak Wikipedia articles. In addition, they have the full classification listings for each individual peak (e.g. whether it is a Birkett etc.). The Nuttall article also has a DoBIH column called "Area (Nuttalls)" which is the DoBIH estimate of the most appropriate area title that is reflective of the structure used in the Nuttalls book (while respecting some specific issues with their structuring). The new articles were downloaded automatically and required no manual intervention (except to select columns and fix some links), so OR issues are minimal.
In contrast, this article has data which is old (many height and prominences have changed), is un-sourced (e.g. a BBC researcher could not quote this data), and has a break-up of peaks into Sections which makes it hard to update the tables by download (Nuttalls and Hewitts, given their low prominence, are more prone to changes). This article also contains "parent" peak data for every Nuttall and Hewitt which is not appropriate. The DoBIH only record "parent peaks" for peaks which are not in themselves parents (e.g. parents do not have parents), or which are not so isolated that a parent title is not meaningful. We should go with the DoBIH approach, who are experts in this area (e.g. parent peaks are core to prominence calculations) and avoid the approach taken in this article, which I think is confusing.
However, time and effort have gone into making this article, so I did not want to REDIRECT myself without checking first. Britishfinance ( talk) 13:38, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
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Should these tables be sortable? By including images within the tables, each taking up multiple rows, you are changing the appearance of the table when sorted. Perhaps it would be better to place the images in a gallery below the table? -- Maelor 13:07, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
Is there a good reason for separating out the mountains which are to be found within the Brecon Beacons National Park into just two lists - one headed the 'Black Mountains' and one headed 'Brecon Beacons'.
The term Brecon Beacons is generally used in two ways - i) to refer to what I might call the central Beacons - the massif which extends from Pen y Fan and Corn Du eastwards to Talybont - the traditional Brecon Beacons prior to the designation of the national park and 2)to refer collectively to all of the mountains within the national park ie those in the Black Mountains, those in Fforest Fawr and those forming a part of the Black Mountain/Y Mynydd Du as well as those of the central Beacons. Either way it would make sense if breaking down the mass of mountains within the national park as a whole to break it down into i)the Black Mountains, ii) the Black Mountain, iii) Fforest Fawr and iv) the central Beacons - ie four areas, each with its own distinctive character.
It still leaves some loose ends such as the uplnads of Mynydd Llangynidr and Mynydd Llangatwg and the overlap of Fforest Fawr and the Black Mounatin at Fan Hir and Fan Brycheiniog. Any comment?
Geopersona (
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17:54, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
See this thread here: Talk:List of Marilyns in Wales#Pronunciation. — ras52 ( talk) 13:22, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
I've created a list on cy:Wiki of 710 peaks in Cymru and am searching frantically for the en counterpart. Do you have such a list? Llywelyn2000 ( talk) 05:24, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
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Craig Gwaun Taf doesn't seem to be included yet - see list on the Nuttalls' site. Pam D 17:16, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
Two new articles have been created, List of Hewitt mountains in England, Wales and Ireland, List of Nuttall mountains in England and Wales, which are October 2018 downloads of the Database of British and Irish Hills (DoBIH) for Hewitts and Nuttalls.
These articles also have linking to individual Wikipedia articles (including Grid Ref linking). They have the DoBIH parent peak for Nuttalls (as per other new Wikipedia articles on Munro Tops and Donald Tops), and linked to their individual peak Wikipedia articles. In addition, they have the full classification listings for each individual peak (e.g. whether it is a Birkett etc.). The Nuttall article also has a DoBIH column called "Area (Nuttalls)" which is the DoBIH estimate of the most appropriate area title that is reflective of the structure used in the Nuttalls book (while respecting some specific issues with their structuring). The new articles were downloaded automatically and required no manual intervention (except to select columns and fix some links), so OR issues are minimal.
In contrast, this article has data which is old (many height and prominences have changed), is un-sourced (e.g. a BBC researcher could not quote this data), and has a break-up of peaks into Sections which makes it hard to update the tables by download (Nuttalls and Hewitts, given their low prominence, are more prone to changes). This article also contains "parent" peak data for every Nuttall and Hewitt which is not appropriate. The DoBIH only record "parent peaks" for peaks which are not in themselves parents (e.g. parents do not have parents), or which are not so isolated that a parent title is not meaningful. We should go with the DoBIH approach, who are experts in this area (e.g. parent peaks are core to prominence calculations) and avoid the approach taken in this article, which I think is confusing.
However, time and effort have gone into making this article, so I did not want to REDIRECT myself without checking first. Britishfinance ( talk) 13:38, 17 October 2018 (UTC)