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Has anyone found the easter egg in this? I know it's not the Nissan Versa site. Or isn't there an easter egg in this one? --Addict 2006 06:13, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
Reference #8 doesn't work proper.
Just want to get some quick thoughts. Each issue has a tagline that appears below the name on the NBC website. Some of them are kind of interesting. Worth adding? I listed them below so people can see what I'm talking about. Novastarj 20:43, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
MONSTERS - A story from Suresh's childhood haunts him to this very day.
HIRO - To save the world it takes conviction, dedication, and a real Hiro.
NATHAN - A terrible inferno can melt the coldest of hearts.
AFTERMATH - Through flame and fire, a little Claire-ity comes.
SNAPSHOT - Some bonds are too strong to ever be broken.
STOLEN TIME - There's nothing quite like a refreshing desert drive.
CONTROL - Everything is black and white.
ISAAC'S FIRST TIME - You always remember your first time.
LIFE BEFORE EDEN - How Eden found her voice.
TURNING POINT - FBI Agent Audrey Hanson plays a deadly game of cat and mouse.
FATHER & DAUGHTERS - Everything but the guilt.
SUPER-HEROICS - You can't change who you are.
I have removed the links to the PDFs. Wikipedia is not intended as a link directory, as free advertising for NBC, or as a convenient mechanism to drive people to content on other sites. Wikipedia is a repository of free content, and these graphic novels, not being free content, should not be so heavily linked. There is a link to NBC's site at the bottom of the article; that is more than sufficient. LowKarmaError 22:20, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
resetting indent Ckatz, the reason I filed for mediation is to allow both of us to step back and discuss this calmly with a mediator. That's the function of mediation. Frankly, I do not feel comfortable debating whether or not these links should be included with someone who, right off the bat, compares me to a Nazi; I would therefore prefer a neutral referee for any further interactions with Ace Class Shadow.
As to the principles here: the principle is that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. Wikipedia is not, inter alia, an index or catalog of externally-hosted PDFs consisting of non-free content, and such should only be linked from Wikipedia when they are essential to understanding the article in question. This is not a minor difference of opinion, but in fact goes fundamentally to what Wikipedia is.
On top of this, Ace Class Shadow above admits that the links are not essential to the article, but states that he reverted me anyway "on principle". That sounds dangerously close to "disrupting Wikipedia to prove a point" to me, and in any case is certainly not what I would consider appropriate. And, in any case, I would very much like to receive an apology for being compared to a Nazi, rather than a defense "no, I didn't" response to someone taking offense at such an plainly offensive statement. I am willing to accept that Ace Class Shadow did not mean to cause offense, but I would like to see some acknowledgment that he understands that it is very reasonable for someone to take offense at that statement and apologize for having been so careless and unthinking as to make it. LowKarmaError 01:05, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
This is probably just my own ignorance of the lingo, but why are these comics "non-free content"? You don't have to pay for them, so surely by definition they are free. Branfish 05:40, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
LKE and I have come to the agreement that the links should go. I hope that's cool with everyone. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 21:03, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
There's none for that either? --Addict 2006 19:51, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
I noticed in the last graphic novel, "How To Stop an Exploding Man", that the guy who talks to Ted Sprauge in the Nevada store, looks EXACTLY like John Goodman from The Big Lebowski. Any thoughts on adding a trivia section to the page? PureSoldier 13:52, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
I'm a little surprised to be the first person to be bringing this up, but "graphic novel" doesn't strike me as the appropriate term to use for this article. These are 7-page documents, the first page of which is an automobile advertisement. Shouldn't they be called "comics"? I realize that NBC is trying to use the more respectable term "graphic novel" to gain some legitimacy, but I don't think that justifies use of that term in the article title. Thoughts? - Bindingtheory 23:38, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
We have a reliable source that states that these things are graphic novels, the publishers (NBC). You're entitled to your own opinion that these are not, but your opinion doesn't really mean much here on wikipedia without a source to back it up. dposse 02:10, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
We could reorder the text as follows:"This is a list of issues of NBC's Heroes webcomic, which supplements the television drama of the same name. The comics, which NBC refers to as " graphic novels", are made available on their official website each Monday."
Would that help ease your concerns? -- Ckatz chat spy 22:46, 17 April 2007 (UTC)"This is a list of issues of the Heroes webcomic, described by NBC as " graphic novels". The comics, which supplement the television drama of the same name, are made available on the Heroes website each Monday."
Sorry. Too much indenting for me. :) I don't see the "attack" nature of the sentence. It's certainly not how I intended it. It doesn't say "which NBC propagandistically refers to as 'graphic novels,'" or even "which NBC incorrectly refers to as 'graphic novels'." I think you're reading a tone into it that's just not there. It's just a simple factual statement. The truth of the matter is that they really aren't graphic novels; they just don't meet the definition. The sentence simply acknowledges that NBC officially refers to them as "graphic novels." (although it also refers to them as "chapters" in some places). The quotes are acceptable (and even necessary) here because, as PureSoldier points out, "graphic novels" refers to the term that NBC uses, and not to the comics themselves. - Bindingtheory 01:18, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Now that the collection is actually being published, I suppose this debate is somewhat moot. Aexia 17:52, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
Is it worth noting that chapter 31 spelled "independently" wrong as "Independantly"? -- ChoChoPK (球球PK) ( talk | contrib) 05:20, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
How is the higher quality picture from #29 (which is in fact an easter egg in #30) a "nod to fans"? -- Addict 2006 23:20, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
This has been bugging me for a while now. Quoting the article: "Written by the show's writers and drawn by Aspen Comics, they are generally 7-9 pages long..." I take issue with the concept of a company 'drawing' something. Artists from/working for/hired by/etc. a company can draw, but the company itself can't. Am I making sense? It's like saying that Highbrow Entertainment drew Savage Dragon, instead of saying that Erik Larsen did. The cited article [1] states that the art is "provided by packager Aspen Comics." I get that "provided by packager" got paraphrased into "drawn by" for the article, but I'm hoping that someone will be able to think of another word/phrase that give more of the flavor of 'providing' as opposed to 'drawing.' (I don't seem to be able to.) Apologies for so many words on such a simple turn of phrase. Fitfatfighter 07:53, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
I am removing the external links from the list for a few reasons:
I suspect the justification for these edits was that "comics" Season Two began when the last episode of "TV" Season One aired. I agree that there is no indication of seasons in the comics and it should not be included on this page. Although, an "associated episode" might be useful if/when appropriate... Metao 06:56, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
(unindenting) Based off of [2] the season switched to #2 with novel #52. Everything before was considered Season 1 and after 2. It may reduce some of the clutter by separating the two into two different pages. -- Marcsin | Talk 18:01, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
With what appears to be an accurate and official reference to the season one/two split of the graphic novels, I have gone ahead and split the article, per WP:BOLD. Season One graphic novels are now found at List of Heroes graphic novels (Season One), while the main article lists season two. Please double check the split, but I think I did it without screwing anything up. Best, ZZ Claims ~ Evidence 14:04, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
Here are the links to the animated versions:
- Lөv ө l 18:54, 28 September 2007 (UTC), 20:48, 3 October 2007 (UTC), 19:40, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
Can someone please tell me the corresponding order to read this with the episodes?-- CyberGhostface 01:20, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
I read through the newest comic, and while the man in the comic has the same ability as Bob Bishop, there is no confirmation that it is Bob Bishop. Please do not label him as such until there is verification. QuasiAbstract ( talk) 04:06, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
Shouldn't we use the same descriptions as given on the NBC website? QuasiAbstract ( talk) 04:28, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
I'm noticing all these links for HeroesWiki. Are we supporting HeroesWiki? Didn't we determine that HeroesWiki fails WP:EL? I can't remember. Padillah ( talk) 15:57, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
I brought up this article's abundant usage of external links at the apropos guideline's talk page; see and discuss here ( Wikipedia talk:External links#inline external links). — pd_THOR | =/\= | 23:56, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
This list article has several major cleanup issues that need to be addressed. Primarily it has external links in the body of the article which violates the external links guideline: "External links should not normally be used in the body of an article; this applies to list articles as well." Secondly the quality of the external links also violate that guideline: links normally to be avoided include... "Links to social networking sites (such as MySpace..." and "Links to open wikis, except those with a substantial history of stability and a substantial number of editors...". Third, "try to avoid separate links to multiple pages in the same website; instead, try to find an appropriate linking page within the site." Fourth, year dates are wikilinked in what appears to violate the style guide. Fifth, some of the inappropriate links are even duplicated, which also violates the style guide of only linking something in its first use rather than every single time the word is used. In short, a very large number of hyperlinks should be removed. 2005 ( talk) 04:05, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
There. I cleaned-up the date links and the Story and Art over-links. Next is every link to every Heroes character. I think we can get that down to one a piece. padillaH ( review me)( help me) 13:25, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
Either remove them completely, (because apparently links are bad) or keep on updating, because I come to this wikipedia page every tuesday to read the latest graphic novel. If you guys 'clean up' this article and remove the links, please leave an external link so I can find the graphic novels. 'Cause I've been to the NBC Heroes website, and I get lost everytime. Dragon queen4ever ( talk) 22:25, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
It seems too big for only one picture. Maybe there is another file or several files hidden or embedded in the 41.6MB .pdf file? I tried changing .pdf to .zip and to .rar, it doesn't work. Video or audio file(s) ? I tried also .avi and .mpg, error. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.243.0.45 ( talk) 18:35, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
NBC has removed the comics from their website, so all the links (which look like they were decided to stay) no longer work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.82.83.56 ( talk) 14:03, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
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Has anyone found the easter egg in this? I know it's not the Nissan Versa site. Or isn't there an easter egg in this one? --Addict 2006 06:13, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
Reference #8 doesn't work proper.
Just want to get some quick thoughts. Each issue has a tagline that appears below the name on the NBC website. Some of them are kind of interesting. Worth adding? I listed them below so people can see what I'm talking about. Novastarj 20:43, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
MONSTERS - A story from Suresh's childhood haunts him to this very day.
HIRO - To save the world it takes conviction, dedication, and a real Hiro.
NATHAN - A terrible inferno can melt the coldest of hearts.
AFTERMATH - Through flame and fire, a little Claire-ity comes.
SNAPSHOT - Some bonds are too strong to ever be broken.
STOLEN TIME - There's nothing quite like a refreshing desert drive.
CONTROL - Everything is black and white.
ISAAC'S FIRST TIME - You always remember your first time.
LIFE BEFORE EDEN - How Eden found her voice.
TURNING POINT - FBI Agent Audrey Hanson plays a deadly game of cat and mouse.
FATHER & DAUGHTERS - Everything but the guilt.
SUPER-HEROICS - You can't change who you are.
I have removed the links to the PDFs. Wikipedia is not intended as a link directory, as free advertising for NBC, or as a convenient mechanism to drive people to content on other sites. Wikipedia is a repository of free content, and these graphic novels, not being free content, should not be so heavily linked. There is a link to NBC's site at the bottom of the article; that is more than sufficient. LowKarmaError 22:20, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
resetting indent Ckatz, the reason I filed for mediation is to allow both of us to step back and discuss this calmly with a mediator. That's the function of mediation. Frankly, I do not feel comfortable debating whether or not these links should be included with someone who, right off the bat, compares me to a Nazi; I would therefore prefer a neutral referee for any further interactions with Ace Class Shadow.
As to the principles here: the principle is that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. Wikipedia is not, inter alia, an index or catalog of externally-hosted PDFs consisting of non-free content, and such should only be linked from Wikipedia when they are essential to understanding the article in question. This is not a minor difference of opinion, but in fact goes fundamentally to what Wikipedia is.
On top of this, Ace Class Shadow above admits that the links are not essential to the article, but states that he reverted me anyway "on principle". That sounds dangerously close to "disrupting Wikipedia to prove a point" to me, and in any case is certainly not what I would consider appropriate. And, in any case, I would very much like to receive an apology for being compared to a Nazi, rather than a defense "no, I didn't" response to someone taking offense at such an plainly offensive statement. I am willing to accept that Ace Class Shadow did not mean to cause offense, but I would like to see some acknowledgment that he understands that it is very reasonable for someone to take offense at that statement and apologize for having been so careless and unthinking as to make it. LowKarmaError 01:05, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
This is probably just my own ignorance of the lingo, but why are these comics "non-free content"? You don't have to pay for them, so surely by definition they are free. Branfish 05:40, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
LKE and I have come to the agreement that the links should go. I hope that's cool with everyone. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 21:03, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
There's none for that either? --Addict 2006 19:51, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
I noticed in the last graphic novel, "How To Stop an Exploding Man", that the guy who talks to Ted Sprauge in the Nevada store, looks EXACTLY like John Goodman from The Big Lebowski. Any thoughts on adding a trivia section to the page? PureSoldier 13:52, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
I'm a little surprised to be the first person to be bringing this up, but "graphic novel" doesn't strike me as the appropriate term to use for this article. These are 7-page documents, the first page of which is an automobile advertisement. Shouldn't they be called "comics"? I realize that NBC is trying to use the more respectable term "graphic novel" to gain some legitimacy, but I don't think that justifies use of that term in the article title. Thoughts? - Bindingtheory 23:38, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
We have a reliable source that states that these things are graphic novels, the publishers (NBC). You're entitled to your own opinion that these are not, but your opinion doesn't really mean much here on wikipedia without a source to back it up. dposse 02:10, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
We could reorder the text as follows:"This is a list of issues of NBC's Heroes webcomic, which supplements the television drama of the same name. The comics, which NBC refers to as " graphic novels", are made available on their official website each Monday."
Would that help ease your concerns? -- Ckatz chat spy 22:46, 17 April 2007 (UTC)"This is a list of issues of the Heroes webcomic, described by NBC as " graphic novels". The comics, which supplement the television drama of the same name, are made available on the Heroes website each Monday."
Sorry. Too much indenting for me. :) I don't see the "attack" nature of the sentence. It's certainly not how I intended it. It doesn't say "which NBC propagandistically refers to as 'graphic novels,'" or even "which NBC incorrectly refers to as 'graphic novels'." I think you're reading a tone into it that's just not there. It's just a simple factual statement. The truth of the matter is that they really aren't graphic novels; they just don't meet the definition. The sentence simply acknowledges that NBC officially refers to them as "graphic novels." (although it also refers to them as "chapters" in some places). The quotes are acceptable (and even necessary) here because, as PureSoldier points out, "graphic novels" refers to the term that NBC uses, and not to the comics themselves. - Bindingtheory 01:18, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Now that the collection is actually being published, I suppose this debate is somewhat moot. Aexia 17:52, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
Is it worth noting that chapter 31 spelled "independently" wrong as "Independantly"? -- ChoChoPK (球球PK) ( talk | contrib) 05:20, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
How is the higher quality picture from #29 (which is in fact an easter egg in #30) a "nod to fans"? -- Addict 2006 23:20, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
This has been bugging me for a while now. Quoting the article: "Written by the show's writers and drawn by Aspen Comics, they are generally 7-9 pages long..." I take issue with the concept of a company 'drawing' something. Artists from/working for/hired by/etc. a company can draw, but the company itself can't. Am I making sense? It's like saying that Highbrow Entertainment drew Savage Dragon, instead of saying that Erik Larsen did. The cited article [1] states that the art is "provided by packager Aspen Comics." I get that "provided by packager" got paraphrased into "drawn by" for the article, but I'm hoping that someone will be able to think of another word/phrase that give more of the flavor of 'providing' as opposed to 'drawing.' (I don't seem to be able to.) Apologies for so many words on such a simple turn of phrase. Fitfatfighter 07:53, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
I am removing the external links from the list for a few reasons:
I suspect the justification for these edits was that "comics" Season Two began when the last episode of "TV" Season One aired. I agree that there is no indication of seasons in the comics and it should not be included on this page. Although, an "associated episode" might be useful if/when appropriate... Metao 06:56, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
(unindenting) Based off of [2] the season switched to #2 with novel #52. Everything before was considered Season 1 and after 2. It may reduce some of the clutter by separating the two into two different pages. -- Marcsin | Talk 18:01, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
With what appears to be an accurate and official reference to the season one/two split of the graphic novels, I have gone ahead and split the article, per WP:BOLD. Season One graphic novels are now found at List of Heroes graphic novels (Season One), while the main article lists season two. Please double check the split, but I think I did it without screwing anything up. Best, ZZ Claims ~ Evidence 14:04, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
Here are the links to the animated versions:
- Lөv ө l 18:54, 28 September 2007 (UTC), 20:48, 3 October 2007 (UTC), 19:40, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
Can someone please tell me the corresponding order to read this with the episodes?-- CyberGhostface 01:20, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
I read through the newest comic, and while the man in the comic has the same ability as Bob Bishop, there is no confirmation that it is Bob Bishop. Please do not label him as such until there is verification. QuasiAbstract ( talk) 04:06, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
Shouldn't we use the same descriptions as given on the NBC website? QuasiAbstract ( talk) 04:28, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
I'm noticing all these links for HeroesWiki. Are we supporting HeroesWiki? Didn't we determine that HeroesWiki fails WP:EL? I can't remember. Padillah ( talk) 15:57, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
I brought up this article's abundant usage of external links at the apropos guideline's talk page; see and discuss here ( Wikipedia talk:External links#inline external links). — pd_THOR | =/\= | 23:56, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
This list article has several major cleanup issues that need to be addressed. Primarily it has external links in the body of the article which violates the external links guideline: "External links should not normally be used in the body of an article; this applies to list articles as well." Secondly the quality of the external links also violate that guideline: links normally to be avoided include... "Links to social networking sites (such as MySpace..." and "Links to open wikis, except those with a substantial history of stability and a substantial number of editors...". Third, "try to avoid separate links to multiple pages in the same website; instead, try to find an appropriate linking page within the site." Fourth, year dates are wikilinked in what appears to violate the style guide. Fifth, some of the inappropriate links are even duplicated, which also violates the style guide of only linking something in its first use rather than every single time the word is used. In short, a very large number of hyperlinks should be removed. 2005 ( talk) 04:05, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
There. I cleaned-up the date links and the Story and Art over-links. Next is every link to every Heroes character. I think we can get that down to one a piece. padillaH ( review me)( help me) 13:25, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
Either remove them completely, (because apparently links are bad) or keep on updating, because I come to this wikipedia page every tuesday to read the latest graphic novel. If you guys 'clean up' this article and remove the links, please leave an external link so I can find the graphic novels. 'Cause I've been to the NBC Heroes website, and I get lost everytime. Dragon queen4ever ( talk) 22:25, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
It seems too big for only one picture. Maybe there is another file or several files hidden or embedded in the 41.6MB .pdf file? I tried changing .pdf to .zip and to .rar, it doesn't work. Video or audio file(s) ? I tried also .avi and .mpg, error. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.243.0.45 ( talk) 18:35, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
NBC has removed the comics from their website, so all the links (which look like they were decided to stay) no longer work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.82.83.56 ( talk) 14:03, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
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