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-- TheFEARgod ( Ч) 11:37, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
I would prefer use of crashed -- TheFEARgod ( Ч) 12:34, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
"Abandoned" is an odd choice of word, sounds like the aircraft was left somewhere! Pilots eject, aircraft crash, and "abandoning" was something that happened in the pre-ejection seat era. Dan100 ( Talk) 07:57, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
Have there been such events? -- TheFEARgod ( Ч) 12:34, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
Reading through the list I find it slightly disturbing to read "A RAF ..."; my natural instinct is to use "An RAF ..." in this context. Is it just me? Would anyone object to this change?-- TraceyR ( talk) 17:03, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
According to John Farley (Harrier test pilot) most of the US Harrier losses are due to the USMC allocating Harriers to pilots trained on helicopters. He say that most of the accidents involve them flying into the sides of hills at around 550kt. There's a link to a YouTube video with him speaking about this here; [1] (at around the 4-minute mark). He says that when they first got the Harrier they put their best pilots on them and had no accidents at all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.40.254.27 ( talk) 22:40, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
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Just to clarify, have any Harriers been lost to hostile fire, other than in the falklands war? 121.217.17.125 ( talk) 12:03, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
Someone either vandalised the entry or mistakenly entered that the landing gear was fully extended, it wasn't and was the cause of the crash, the actual cite clearly states that, subsequently I have corrected it Twobells ( talk) 14:23, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
The reference states 'The cause of the crash is not known but it is thought the Harrier's undercarriage may have failed to lower.'. How you read that as clearly stating it was not down I don't know. I have read the accident report and there was no malfunction. It was pilot error causing a too steep approach and subsequent failure to recognise that and correct the rate of descent. Unfortunately the report doesn't seem to be online anywhere. This video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HB5CXlEALJ0 clearly shows the U/C is down (obviously can't see if it's locked), observe the rate of descent. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.210.161.173 ( talk) 22:12, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
Why is this noteworthy? No other modern military jet aircraft as such an article, why the harrier? I think perhaps we should work the details into the main articles and delete this. Twobells t@lk 14:23, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
No, it's very interesting, i'd say. Many more aircrafts should deserve the same attention (i.e. F-16, Tornado, F-18).
BEWARE. The losses reported in this article are only the ones in which someone died. 29 AV-8A/C were listed as lost, but they are the only ones with a deadly result. Of course, there were also accidents in which the pilot managed to escape (just happened many times with RAF units). The overall tally was, for AV-8A/C, around 40 airframes W/O. At the beginnings, every USMC squadron did have 20 Harriers, but soon they were reduced to 15 units (=45 first line machines), and only when the OCU unit was fully established the accident rate dropped. Cheers.
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Hi, I'd like to get the below-listed edits made to what is currently citation #11, the "named reference" Pulitzer3A. The URL does not lead to the citation, it leads to a search database from which the actual article cannot be retrieved. This is a link that is broken across multiple articles. I was able to locate the actual article, which is listed below. The title is missing from the citation (also listed below).
URL should be: https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2002-dec-17-na-wall17-story.html MISSING TITLE should be "More Than a Few Good Men" Klgeels ( talk) 01:39, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
Hi - It looks as if a conscious decision has been made to leave out the identity of the fallen pilots. Is there some other place or method by which the identity can be included with the mishap description? The reason I ask this is because Captain Manuel Rivera, Jr. (USMC) is listed on this page by incident (Jan. 22, 1991, Persian Gulf), however not by his name.
His wiki-article page was recently deleted (January 2021), and I am wondering if there is some place/mechanism by which his name can be remembered/recognized and/or acknowledged in the public domain.
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-- TheFEARgod ( Ч) 11:37, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
I would prefer use of crashed -- TheFEARgod ( Ч) 12:34, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
"Abandoned" is an odd choice of word, sounds like the aircraft was left somewhere! Pilots eject, aircraft crash, and "abandoning" was something that happened in the pre-ejection seat era. Dan100 ( Talk) 07:57, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
Have there been such events? -- TheFEARgod ( Ч) 12:34, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
Reading through the list I find it slightly disturbing to read "A RAF ..."; my natural instinct is to use "An RAF ..." in this context. Is it just me? Would anyone object to this change?-- TraceyR ( talk) 17:03, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
According to John Farley (Harrier test pilot) most of the US Harrier losses are due to the USMC allocating Harriers to pilots trained on helicopters. He say that most of the accidents involve them flying into the sides of hills at around 550kt. There's a link to a YouTube video with him speaking about this here; [1] (at around the 4-minute mark). He says that when they first got the Harrier they put their best pilots on them and had no accidents at all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.40.254.27 ( talk) 22:40, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
This article has been revised as part of a large-scale clean-up project of multiple article copyright infringement. (See the investigation subpage) Earlier text must not be restored, unless it can be verified to be free of infringement. For legal reasons, Wikipedia cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or printed material; such additions must be deleted. Contributors may use sources as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences or phrases. Accordingly, the material may be rewritten, but only if it does not infringe on the copyright of the original or plagiarize from that source. Please see our guideline on non-free text for how to properly implement limited quotations of copyrighted text. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously. MkativerataCCI ( talk) 19:03, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
Just to clarify, have any Harriers been lost to hostile fire, other than in the falklands war? 121.217.17.125 ( talk) 12:03, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
Someone either vandalised the entry or mistakenly entered that the landing gear was fully extended, it wasn't and was the cause of the crash, the actual cite clearly states that, subsequently I have corrected it Twobells ( talk) 14:23, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
The reference states 'The cause of the crash is not known but it is thought the Harrier's undercarriage may have failed to lower.'. How you read that as clearly stating it was not down I don't know. I have read the accident report and there was no malfunction. It was pilot error causing a too steep approach and subsequent failure to recognise that and correct the rate of descent. Unfortunately the report doesn't seem to be online anywhere. This video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HB5CXlEALJ0 clearly shows the U/C is down (obviously can't see if it's locked), observe the rate of descent. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.210.161.173 ( talk) 22:12, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
Why is this noteworthy? No other modern military jet aircraft as such an article, why the harrier? I think perhaps we should work the details into the main articles and delete this. Twobells t@lk 14:23, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
No, it's very interesting, i'd say. Many more aircrafts should deserve the same attention (i.e. F-16, Tornado, F-18).
BEWARE. The losses reported in this article are only the ones in which someone died. 29 AV-8A/C were listed as lost, but they are the only ones with a deadly result. Of course, there were also accidents in which the pilot managed to escape (just happened many times with RAF units). The overall tally was, for AV-8A/C, around 40 airframes W/O. At the beginnings, every USMC squadron did have 20 Harriers, but soon they were reduced to 15 units (=45 first line machines), and only when the OCU unit was fully established the accident rate dropped. Cheers.
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Hi, I'd like to get the below-listed edits made to what is currently citation #11, the "named reference" Pulitzer3A. The URL does not lead to the citation, it leads to a search database from which the actual article cannot be retrieved. This is a link that is broken across multiple articles. I was able to locate the actual article, which is listed below. The title is missing from the citation (also listed below).
URL should be: https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2002-dec-17-na-wall17-story.html MISSING TITLE should be "More Than a Few Good Men" Klgeels ( talk) 01:39, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
Hi - It looks as if a conscious decision has been made to leave out the identity of the fallen pilots. Is there some other place or method by which the identity can be included with the mishap description? The reason I ask this is because Captain Manuel Rivera, Jr. (USMC) is listed on this page by incident (Jan. 22, 1991, Persian Gulf), however not by his name.
His wiki-article page was recently deleted (January 2021), and I am wondering if there is some place/mechanism by which his name can be remembered/recognized and/or acknowledged in the public domain.
Thank you, Klgeels ( talk) 02:06, 31 January 2021 (UTC)