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Stu has been endorced by Gibson for about 13 years He is the lead guitarest for Delirious? I've put the following in like 5 times
and every time it's deleted like 2 minutes later. why?! Bertoduran09 ( talk) 18:14, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
....and yet when you go to Gibsons website and look under Artists you find his name. Bertoduran09 ( talk) 18:10, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
Unfortunately it doesnt make him notable. You essentially have to be immortalized before you can be on this list. It's relatively lame, but that's the way it goes. - nbfan —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.142.130.23 ( talk) 18:38, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
I'd like to include Joy Division/New Order guitarist, Bernard Sumner, as he's used his own, slightly customized, Gibson SG for over 25 years. The entire duration of his musical career. I can't think of any other qualifications, other than the unique sound and style he'd produced, fleshed out through the... Gibson! Let me know if I should offer anything else in order to contribute him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.94.29.223 ( talk) 16:31, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
Yep. He meets the criteria. 1) He's faithfully been using Gibsons for over 30 years. 2) His guitar is customized. 3) Upon researching guitarists who'd been directly influenced by Joy Division/New Order I'd noticed a string of Gibson users... Paul Banks, Robert Smith, The Edge, Jamie Stewart, Thom Yorke... And just scrolling through the article I find countless artists just sitting there as "Gibson Players".... Well, Bernard is a Gibson player as well, kids. A big one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.10.98.72 ( talk) 00:35, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
Why are George Thorogood and Lenny Kravitz on the list when they are simply Gibson players? Without citations? Does anyone know WHO exactly Bernard Sumner is and what he's done for modern music? He's been using Gibson for the past 30 years. He meets the first point of criteria, so I'm leaving him in. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.206.184.158 ( talk) 04:10, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
lead guitarist and one of two backup vocalists for My Chemical Romance. He plays Gibson Les Paul guitars with Seymour Duncan pickups
Iero is a rhythm guitarist and is one of the two backup vocalists for My Chemical Romance. He plays Gibson Les Paul and sometimes epiphone guitar.
John Mayer is a notable Gibson guitar player, even though he is mainly known for using Fenders. If Jimi Hendrix is labeled as a notable Gibson guitarist, when he exclusively used Fenders, than John Mayer should be on the list too. Since 2005, Mayer has been using the Gibson ES-335 along side of his Strats. He uses them on his more blues-based songs. Like on his songs "Try!" and "I'm Gonna Find Another You". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.107.67.131 ( talk) 17:01, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
He is definitely notable, has used Gibson guitars almost exclusively (with the exception of a Strat and a Tele occasionally, but who hasn't?) for almost the entire time that his band (switchfoot) has played been in existence. I think he should be on the list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.171.0.143 ( talk) 00:58, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, he should definitely be on the list —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.211.192.79 ( talk) 23:44, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
The names above have been included (and restored) for several reasons:
156.34.142.110: If you'd like to discuss this with me, please do so here instead of snap-reverting. I feel I'm on solid ground in terms of Wiki-policy, and reverting the edit after I specifically asked for a Discussion in my edit summary smacks very heavily of incivility. 24.29.58.38 17:25, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
Bottom Line: The band itself meets WP:NOTE and WP:MUSIC, else they wouldn't have a page at all. The album was highly reviewed and is currently getting a lot of radio airplay. The viewer-ship on the TV show has gone up staggeringly; the word is getting out. Gibson has officially sponsored the band and supplied the band with guitars. On the show, the band always plays their Gibsons (as per the sponsorship agreement). The band members meet the standard in the lead section. The band being virtual is not a legitimate excuse for dumping them. WP:IDONTLIKEIT is not a legitimate excuse either. They're going back on. I suggest we have an intelligent, reasonable discussion about this. Bullzeye (Ring for Service) 07:24, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
Mike Ness (front man of Social Distortion) seems to fit the criteria for the notable Gibson player list but he's not currently on it. Ness has had a pretty big impact on punk rock and it's well known that he plays a 1956 style Les Paul Goldtop. I'm not sure how citations work, but Ness plays the Les Paul Goldtop (with an Orange County sticker and Clay Smith Cams Woodpecker sticker) at all his shows
He has played Gibson SG's in his earlier years as well. —Preceding
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I am removing Steve Vai from the list. He only owns one Gibson guitar [3], and he does not not play it regularly, nor has he designed any. -- Blahm 02:18, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
I don't know how to work this, but can somebody please add Neil Young to the list? He is one of the most innovative Les Paul players there is, and one of the greatest artists of our time.
In the interest of getting this article inline with the style of List of Telecaster players, I propose we rename it to List of Gibson players and start finding sources for each entry. If an entry does not have a citation that they were a notable Gibson player, we remove them until one can be found.
So, criteria for including guitarists on this list would be:
Thoughts? -- Aguerriero ( talk) 19:20, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
I think it can be maintained through the main article and talk page easily..and like you said...more accessible to the casual reader who might have that 1 little cite that no one else can find. And I like the idea of the seperate sections for separate models. Gibson has a bizillion models. Having a separate section section for each and every one could get cumbersome. But I don't want to put anyone's nose out of joint by lumping their favorite rare model into an "other" section either. Either way, I will be glad when my Bacon books arrive from back order. Because finding online cites is alomst impossible for some of the guitarists listed who are definitely Gibson notables. I am thinking of players like Jeff Beck who is so identified as a Strat user but, along with Keith Richards, was one of the first guitarists I ever saw with a Black Beauty. Anyways.....away we go! Anger22 ( Talk 2 22) 20:25, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
It should be noted that he does not actually play his signature model, as they are just replicas of the real vintage juniors he plays.
"The Gibson SG was the guitar most seen in this axemaster's hands!" Is it just me or is that a bit POV? It's not quite encyclopaedic either.
I think a picture should be added of Angus Young playing his SG, there are no pictures of an SG on the page and he is one of the best guitarists out there. Tubyboulin 02:02, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
There is a tendency for lists like this to turn into POV lists or nn lists. As per previous discussion above, some diligence must be kept so that the player list is kept short and "notable" as per the lead-in criteria. This is the previous concensus decided on this talk page by contributing guitar project members. No "short-timers" and all new entries must be have proper refs to professional publications, books or direct artist interviews. 156.34.142.110 17:26, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
anyone have any info on Jimmy's double necked SG? i know it was a Gibson. i believe they started remaking them just recently. Whitey138 05:18, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
The additional of Eddie Van Halen to this list violates any and all criteria and vaibility of the list. He has endoresed many brands of guitars, none of which are Gibson.
Wishful thinking and riduclous stretch. I can site a picture of William Hung "playing"a Gibson guitar. That would qualify by your standards as well? I believe you would have a better argument if the page was titled "Players that rejected Gibson guitars for one reason or another".
The Explorer EVH is seen using on the first couple of tours, and also used to record most of the rhythm tracks on the first 3 albums, is actually an Ibanez "lawsuit" Explorer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.236.240.214 ( talk) 10:31, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
The inclusion Edie Van Halen on this list damages the already limited credibility of the article. The reference cited mentioned EVH's use of a Flying V as a footnote; an exception. He is known for his use of his personally built guitar employing Kramer and other various parts, pickups, etc. Thereafter he developed and endorsed Peavey guitars. HM211980 ( talk) 03:10, 11 April 2009 (UTC)HM211980 HM211980 ( talk) 03:10, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
Re: removal of Madonna. Madonna meets all lead in criteria. 1. Notable and 2. Verifiable Gibson player, sourced by Gibson themselves : http://www.gibson.com/allaccessfeatures.aspx?aliaspath=/AllAccess/One-of-a-Kind%20Madonna%20Les%20Paul
I'll direct your attention to the definition of "notable" ( http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=Notable), with emphasis on "2. prominent, important, or distinguished: many notable artists.". Your revision is subjective and the cititaion serves as verification.
This really has to be a joke surely? 86.146.42.147 ( talk) 14:43, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
There is no shortage of images in this list (almost too many). And there is an overpopulation of Rock guitarists, both pic and in the list itself. There are a great many Blues, Jazz and Country guitarists being ignored here. Perhaps some of the less notable Rock and metal players should be swapped for guitarists from other genres who are much more deserving of being on the list than some of the untalented Nu metal hacks that have been stuck in there now. 216.21.150.44 02:15, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
Robert Fripp should be on too, with his creative pioneering "Progressive Rock" sound, which was also free jazz, and his invention of frippertronics, plus the invention of new standard tuning, he has created a sizable place in rock history, and he seems to always use a les paul.
What about bassists? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.63.239.149 ( talk) 08:04, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
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While I understand if Dave Baksh isn't considered enough of a veteran Gibson player to be noted on this page, Deryck whibley, I believe, should be. He played Gibson guitars live almost exclusively for most of his musical career, and continues to use them in the studio.
This time I actually provided a source that backs up Whibley's extensive Gibson use. There is no reason not to include him in this page. He used Gibsons almost exclusively for for the majority of his earlier career and is in a well-known band. ( Blastero 18:49, 2 August 2007 (UTC))
Where is he? or he does not play gibson anymore? --Unsigned
Someone seemed to remove him by accident, re-adding. ≈ Maurauth ( Ravenor) 22:39, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
He has switched to Dean guitars (as far as I know, he doesn't even practice on Gibsons anymore...): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Heafy#Guitars 24.227.104.18 14:24, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
I added Nick Valensi to the list but it keeps getting removed and I want to make a couple things clear.
While Valensi's main guitar is an Epiphone, he can be seen playing a Gibson Les Paul Junior in performances like this one and this one. Because of this, I think we should add him. If anyone objects, please state why before removing! Thanks.
Every picture on this article, excepting Angus Young, displays a Les Paul. Gibson has produced a wide variety of electric and acoustic guitars and bass guitars as well as banjoes, mandolins and resonators. With the format we're using (one picture per letter of the alphabet) we could have pictures of twenty six different instruments rather than two. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ufossuck ( talk • contribs) 23:09, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
Surely he has to be included, him and pete doherty pratically revived british rock music in the early 2000's...i'm not too good on editing wikipedia pages with citations and that...he plays a Melody Maker —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.109.103.236 ( talk) 19:05, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
what about tom morello? he uses gibson guitars. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.185.67.3 ( talk) 08:48, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
Tom Morello CLEARLY uses a les paul throughout Audioslave. Infact the entire revelations album was recorded with a les paul that had a decal physically burned off. He can be seen in both the revelations music videos with it, and he can be seen at the "Live in Cuba"(the first american hard rock act to play cuba) with two different les pauls. And to add insult to injury, he can be seen in an issue of guitar one with his revelations les paul. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.63.239.149 ( talk) 07:32, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
He almost exclusively only uses gibson guitars, in live performances and in music videos. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.57.221.229 ( talk) 20:53, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Has anyone considered putting this article forward for Featured List review? I think it meets the criteria. -- WebHamster 21:16, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
If this list is featured for anything it should be for being subjective and incomplete the edit decisions despite the lead in criteria are still subjective and the best way to deal with it properly is to delete the list completely. All guitars are different many players have more than one how Maddonna can be a noteable player of a Gibson is way beyond my comprehension and the deletion of Billy Byrd from the list was really the last word in stupidity for me, there have been others. 86.146.42.147 ( talk) 14:48, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
i've just entered extensive corrections to the Keith Richards entry, but need some help with the references, please: since references are so vital to this thread, for now i've left them as they were, hoping very much that the errors i corrected aren't from those books!
the 59 sunburst LP was the subject of an article in the september 2007 Guitarist magazine; that article garbled the dates considerably, but it did lead to pretty good documentation that Keith bought that guitar at Selmer's in London, not in the US; since it first turns up in photos/footage in autumn 1964 there's no reason to think he acquired it much earlier than that. here's a link to a thread that (if you scroll down a bit) includes that article and extensive discussion of the instrument's history: http://www.iorr.org/talk/read.php?1,605110,page=2
i hope someone with more experience in creating acceptable references will be able to derive what's needed from that thread - thanks! meanwhile, the bit about the instrument being auctioned is probably not worth keeping - it's gone up for sale again at least once since then.
Keith's black 3PU LP Customs: there's ample photographic evidence to show that Keith owned a number of these, from 1966 on; the psychedelic-painted one is seen in photos from 1968 through 1970. the photo on the cover of the 1975 Gibson catalog is not "a later model" - it's a 1954 Black Beauty that Keith was using in 72 and 73.
the other corrections i've made seem not to be associated with particular books, so maybe i can leave my defence of them until someone asks. Sssoul ( talk) 21:52, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
regarding where/when Keith bought that 59 Sunburst LP in 1964: does the book you're citing state its sources for the claim that he got it in the US in mid-64? blogs/chatrooms may not be allowed as sources here, but that doesn't mean they're wrong, or that books are invariably correct/up to date. i know of no (0) photos/footage of Keith with that guitar prior to autumn 1964, so what is the statement that he got it in mid-1964 based on? and: photos of the guitar with its previous owner have come to light in the last six months; that owner traded it in to Selmers in London. the september 2007 Guitarist article posted in the link i gave mentions this; the article includes a number of errors but if a magazine article is an acceptable reference i'll be grateful for assistance in adding it (i've tried to wade through the wikipedia instructions for citing sources, but find them impossible to follow, sorry.)
meanwhile i hope a compromise be acceptable? i'm suggesting "Richards purchased a 1959 sunburst Les Paul in 1964." and: are details of a 2004 auction in which the guitar wasn't sold really of ongoing interest/value? it's not the last time the guitar's been offered for sale; even if a guitar Keith didn't really use very long is deemed worthy of so much space in the article, there are more (to me!) interesting (and less "time-sensitive") details that could be mentioned - eg that it was purchased by Mick Taylor in 1967, and/or that it was used again by Richards on stage in 1969.
thanks for the assistance and for being open to compromising. Sssoul ( talk) 07:35, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
>> If you have all the publication details for the magazines mentioned in the blogs then you can add direct quotes and the magazine data right here on this talk page where other editors can see it. <<
the magazine that published the evidence that Keith bought the guitar at Selmer's - and rightly points out that it was first seen in Keith's hands during the Stones' second US tour in the autumn of 1964 - is the september 2007 issue of Guitarist. the article (pages 55-58) is called "The 'Keithburst' Les Paul"; the author is Dave Burrluck. Guitarist is apparently published by Future Publishing Limited (Reg No. 2008885 England), 30 Monmouth Street, Bath, BA1 2BW UK. is there anything else you need to know to create a citation? thanks for the help with that.
it may be worth noting that the reminiscences (in the article's sidebar) from the previous owner's brother include some misleading dates (kind of implying that Keith acquired it in early 1963, which is obviously impossible), but photos of the previous owner with the guitar sure seem to substantiate the general gist of his recollections. these photos were published on line, not in the magazine, so i grasp that they're "inadmissable" for wikipedia's purposes, but the article at least provides good grounds for not stating "he got it in mid-64 on the Stones' first US tour" as if that were established fact. (and by the way if anyone has a photo or footage of him with this guitar prior to autumn 1964 i'd love to see it - thanks!)
i still suggest "Richards purchased a 1959 sunburst Les Paul in 1964." (i also still suggest skipping the bit about its nonsale in a 2004 auction - there aren't any such details in the section about other Gibsons he's owned/used for a lot longer than that one.)
anyway thanks again for help with the citation. Sssoul ( talk) 15:47, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
i hope i've managed to insert a proper web reference now (it still doesn't look quite right, but i tried!); i also hope it's deemed an acceptable source: http://www.gbase.com/Powered/GearDetails.aspx?Dealer=8eedde97-8e6e-4ca0-a8a6-227c7f435505&Item=1778604
i felt it was important not to leave the statement that this guitar was stolen in 1971, since that's potentially libelous toward subsequent owners and is apparently not as well substantiated as is commonly believed. i hope this "gear description" will be satisfactory as a source for the statement that the guitar's history from 1971 onward is "unclear", as well as for the fact that Taylor bought this guitar from Keith Richards. if this *is* an acceptable source, it might also be usefully added as a reference in the Keith Richards section. thanks for any insight as to its suitability - and for any available assistance in getting it into the right form. Sssoul ( talk) 21:38, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
i'm still concerned about the "gbase" reference, which (after the rearrangements discussed above) is now cited first in the Keith Richards section. i suspect it should be in a form like the web sources in (for example) the Townshend entry, but i couldn't figure out how to get it in that format. any assistance with that would be very gratefully received - thanks. Sssoul ( talk) 09:46, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
if people want more emphasis on the historical importance of that Keithburst, maybe the statement in the "gbase" reference that it probably contributed to both Page's and Clapton's interest in LPs would fit into the Richards entry? if you check out the "more images" section on that page there are photos of Page (circa 1965 i think?) and Clapton (in 1966) with the instrument. if it seems appropriate to people, i think i could fit that into one sentence and tuck it into the Richards entry somewhere. let me know ... Sssoul ( talk) 11:44, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
this entry seems rather chaotic - is there a Clapton expert in the house to help clean it up? the information about the ES-335 needs streamlining, consolidating or something: i gather (with some difficulty!) that it's the same red ES-335 referred to throughout, so perhaps something like this might work:
i'm not much of a Clapton-spotter but a] surely there's more information on the production years/specific models of these instruments (what vintage of ES-335 is it, and the LP mentioned was a 1960 sunburst LP wasn't it - you know, good stuff like that); and b] surely there are other Gibsons he's used prominently? (what's that he's got in the film Hail Hail Rock & Roll, for example - don't i vaguely recall some anecdote connected with that one?) and: is the Rock & Roll Circus "Dirty Mac" appearance with the red ES-335 worth mentioning? another puzzle is: i don't understand what some of the the references are referring to: if the one after "1964 SG" is a source for the whole story of when he got it & who painted it, it should be at the end of the sentence; same with the reference after "1958 Explorer". please advise! and thanks. Sssoul ( talk) 14:28, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
That reads very well. I am not sure about the 'ref name' format. I see it used a lot for web sources. For a {cite book} reference the citation also includes the page number. And if you use the 'ref name' don't you lose the page number? Otherwise... all looks good. nice link for the Crossroads auction... interesting read. You know you've got a lot of buck when you roll into a guitar auction and walk out with Blackie, Cream 335 and Lenny under your arm. 156.34.225.77 ( talk) 00:45, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
Clapton used "The Fool" on Disraeli Gears and Wheels of Fire(same Bacon ref). Adjectives that can't be attributed to an rs can just be removed.... influential, extensive or otherwise. Gibson only made a few Explorers in 1958 and then stopped as it was a huge failure (some guitar stores actually hung them outside their shop signs just to catch attention.. figuring they were of no use other than "shock advertising") Gibson wasn't prone to re-release anything that was a bust.(it took them until the mid-80s to start properly re-creating 58-60 LP 'bursts' for %@^# sakes) Something perked Gibson into making the Explorer again in 1976??? What would make them do that? Demand? Clapton recording and touring with one in the 2 years previous to them re-introducing the model certainly helps. Have you even seen that sort of mention coming out of "anything Gibson"? I could be wrong. Explorers and Firebirds and Flying Vs have interesting histories. Gibson discontinued the V in 1959 but suddenly started piecing together old stock parts and selling a couple hundred of these "Frankenstein Vs" in the late 196os. That's the "Hendrix effect" (all respects to Lonnie Mack who was a long time user but just couldn't "sell 'em" the way Jimi could). Clapton used a Firebird I almost as much as he used the Fool while he was with Cream. But Gibson didn't ride Clapton's star power on the Firebird use. So maybe it wasn't Clapton using an Explorer that promted Gibson to start them up again. In the mid-1970s Gibson was getting volumes of free publicity for V and Firebird guitars because the whole world was watching Paul Stanley from Kiss use them. And when Gibson re-started Explorer production... they didn't give them to Clapton... they gave bunches of them to Paul Stanley. But something/someone had to spark them into remaking the guitar in the first place. And that something/someone is listed somewhere on this page. 156.34.225.77 ( talk) 14:14, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
oops - a couple of new historical-detail questions: the main wikipedia article on Eric Clapton states that he bought his first Les Paul in mid-1965; in this entry here we have 1966. which is correct? and: would it be accurate to say that first Les Paul became his main stage guitar with the Bluesbreakers and Cream, or "Les Pauls were among his main stage guitars" in that period or something like that? (part of what i'm trying to do is add some variety to the sentence structure in the entry, to make it read better.) thanks again for all this good help Sssoul ( talk) 15:03, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
okay, maybe i've figured out how to include page numbers in the "ref name" format, and i've entered a test run of that for a few of the Bacon citations, just in the Beck, Bolan, Clapton and Santana entries for now. if it's a right way to go, i can do the same thing to the Bacon quotes in the other entries as well - his three books seem to be cited about 20 times in the article so it would save some space, and it's probably also worthwhile to use a more consistent reference format throughout. let me know if i should continue, or undo it if it's not the way to go - thanks. Sssoul ( talk) 13:33, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
and a different formatting question, now that i've looked at the List of Telecaster players: do the dashes after the players' names really belong in the entries on this Gibson players' list? i've been standardizing the entries, and inserted them when they were missing because most of the entries have them, but they don't really make much sense, as punctuation goes. since the Telecaster list doesn't have them, can i remove them here? Sssoul ( talk) 15:20, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
update: i've changed all the Bacon, Kitts & Chapman references to "ref name" format - i hope that's some help. in the process the total number of references was reduced a bit, but only because there are a few multiple references to exactly the same page. the only one i eliminated was a duplicate reference in the Edge entry (two in one sentence to the same page in Bacon seemed excessive). Sssoul ( talk) 22:24, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
can someone let me know what part of the statement seems doubtful to someone? he did certainly play all the models mentioned. the one bit i'm not sure of is the vintage of the Goldtop, or whether he ever appeared with it other than on the Rock & Roll Circus. but i can try to come up with sources for the rest if i know what's being "challenged". Sssoul ( talk) 18:02, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
there's some kind of untamed reference in the Neil Young entry - the site it points to is in a language that my browser doesn't support, and i don't know whether the link should be put in "ref name" format or jettisoned. an expert decision would be welcome! thanks Sssoul ( talk) 20:19, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
Didn't Kurt Cobain play a Gibson Firebird? I'd call him pretty damn notable. THen again, i don't know how long he used one, so there is probably a good reason he's not on this page, but could someone explain it to me?
Albert's entry states that he plays an "Everly Brothers Flattop." I have never known this model to be known by this name. It's either a "Gibson Everly Brothers," or a "Gibson Everly Brothers Model." Even Gibson state in their recent catalogues, with regard to the J-180 re-issue: "The release of the famous Everly Brothers model (otherwise known as the J-180) in 1962" etc, etc, but I can't seem to change it. Pat Pending ( talk) 16:52, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
He plays the one that was given to him by Don Everly, only one of two "real Everly Brothers Models" Pat Pending ( talk) 18:26, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
"Everly Brothers model" is a perfectly accurate descricption of the guitar, the only trouble is, it won't allow me to enter it! Will someone who authorized please do so. Thanks. Pat Pending ( talk) 19:56, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks very much. There's lots of references for Don giving Albert his black J-200, but no luck so far with the "Everly Brothers model". I know he has it, I've seen him using it. I'll keep on trying. Thanks once again for your help. Pat Pending ( talk) 22:16, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Flat top, Flat-top, flattop etc are all incorrect - it's correct name is the Soundingboard or Sound board. But what the hell guys, Americans think that because the instrument has a back and sides, it's a case of: "Hey guys, it's the top!" Good job Gibson don't make Harps - what would that be? The Side-top? The Flat-side top? LOL! 91.106.192.127 ( talk) 23:39, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
Helloween's Lead Guitarrist has been always using Gibson Guitars. 1990 Gibson Les Paul black, 1990 Gibson Les Paul white, 1990 Gibson Flying V white, 198?. Gibson Explorer custom black/white, 1976 Gibson L6 S. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.23.67.70 ( talk) 13:04, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
now that tremolo is spelt properly (thanks Scarian!): do we want to choose which to call these devices? at the moment they're called both tremolo and vibrato in different entries (besides the ones that sidestep the whole question by calling them "tailpiece" or just "Bigsby" or something like that). i personally usually try to sidestep it that way, but when that's awkward i do think the list should use either "vibrato" or "tremolo", not both. i guess i'd vote for "vibrato", in spite of the historical and popular wrong usage of "tremolo", but ... share your thoughts! Sssoul ( talk) 11:24, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm not sure why he got deleted (sorry, I'm new to this), but here's an article which verifies he uses a Gibson 355 TD SV - http://line6.com/artists/292/ . As for notability, if you know anything about British indie music, he's right up there with Marr when it comes to guitar idols. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dazzak ( talk • contribs) 19:59, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
In the meantime no evidence has been placed to support the argument that the entry meets the article criteria. It seems noteworthy enough if a third party reliable source can be found to properly illustrate the music shop anecdote. If that type of trivia were a common occurrence you would've thought an article would have been done about it in a guitar related magazine. 156.34.222.121 ( talk) 13:22, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
anyone have any arguments in favour of keeping Buckethead on the list? until further notice i agree with Dazzak that Butler would make more sense as an entry than Buckethead. Sssoul ( talk) 10:02, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
I have added this artist into this list for the second time. It makes no sense for him not to be in this article. He used an es330 in almost all of his live performances. There are references in the article. If someone could explain why they feel he should not be included in this list then please do so instead of just deleting him. Thoraxcorp ( talk) 21:14, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
If we're going to have a List of Gibson players, then it ought to be a list of Gibson players, without other criteria. Of course, the five Pillars still apply, as in any Wikipedia article. If the guitarist is notable and has played a Gibson guitar as part of the musical style or performance for which he or she is notable, then that guitarist belongs here. Applying ersatz policies to this article that have never had community approval is simply the wrong way to go. We have WP:NOTABLE but we don't have WP:ESPECIALLYNOTABLE. -- SSB ohio 19:32, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
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in the tv show metalacalypse the character toki uses a gibson flying v in real life i think its played by brenden small should we add toki or brenden? ( Demonslayer50054 ( talk) 00:06, 13 December 2008 (UTC))
What about James Dean Bradfield of the Manics?, he has used Les Paul Customs as his main guitars almost during all his career, but for the Lifeblood days when he used a Flying V as main guitar. I think he should be added. 190.71.241.225 ( talk) 16:01, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
Surely he meets the criteria? There are lots of lesser known guitarists listed, and well known guitarists who have used gibsons only briefly. Bradfield has penned two #1 UK singles, 10 top 20 albums and over 30 top 40 singles. He has toured the world with his white Les Paul from the beginning of the 90's to this day. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Puskaradio ( talk • contribs) 15:06, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
Why is Adam Jones always deleted. In my opinion, his use of gibson guitars is more notable than artists like Thom Yorke or Tom Delonge.
There are a lot of references stating that Adam Jones exclusively plays Gibson LE LP Custom Silverbursts. He owns five of them. It's even stated on Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Jones_(musician)#Guitars —Preceding
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There are a few noteable ommisions from the list of Gibson Players, I would like to nominate a few for consideration where does one initiate the process of offering up worthy entrants for such saintification? RogerGLewis ( talk) 05:31, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
Hello libs, that was a guy from the gibson forums called Robert Nahaum he's from Australia and something of an expert on L5's and other Gibson Archtops and Jazz players,at least it was probably Robert he also nominated George Benson who played an L5 and there is a link to George benson in the Wilkipedia it is out of date in that it hasn't recorded his death several years ago. George Benson is generally accepted as one of the greatest jazz players of all time his collection of guitars was sold by Skinners of Boston last Spring I think it was the L5 which I think once belonged to Wes Montgomery sold for £41,000. Citations to reliable sources is an interesting one is the extant entry on George Benson considered reliable. What is the citation for KT Tunstall as an example?I'm sure that we will all get the hang of this eventually, it would be nice to be able to view entries without some obvious jarring omissions. One of the other Gibson Forum people mentioned Mary Ford who played Guitar with Les Paul, a gibson acoustic and a les paul when they came out part of the Les Pauls initial popularity was based on Mary Fords and Les Pauls celebruity in the US, Mary Ford really should be on the list there are plenty of others. Mike Bloomfield is a featured guitarist on the Gibson site this week with a sig model Les Paiul, Trini Lopez has a signature Gibson Model that alone would seem to qualify under the three headings. Thanks for your continuing input it is much appreciated. RogerGLewis ( talk) 14:32, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
Thanks real libs, I'll take all of that constructive advice on board and set about preparing citations etc in line with the model examples of Billy Gibbons and Rory Gallagher (one of my particular favourites, so will enjoy reading that anyhow) On the Mando and Banjo front I'll e-mail a few of the guys into those instruments and see if I can drum up a bit of interest for them to mobilise their expertise in this direction. Thanks again RogerGLewis ( talk) 18:48, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
Can someone please explain to me why more than half the players listed on this page have NO references, yet when I post a brief entry about Mark Knopfler with a few [indisputable] facts it gets removed for "needing citations"? I understand and agree with the need to cite sources but I am simply following the precedent on this page. If my posts are going to be removed with such prejudice then I believe that someone should go through this page and remove all players without references, just to be fair. 66revolver ( talk) 04:50, 9 May 2009 (UTC)—Preceding unsigned comment added by 66revolver ( talk • contribs) 04:48, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
(outdent) i've asked before (see above) for a link to where the criteria for this list were hammered out, but meanwhile: my understanding is that the refs need to establish that the artists' use of Gibsons has been notable/influential, not just that the artist is notable and has used Gibsons. if earlier entries were "grandfathered in" from the days before inline citations became the standard, it's not strange that that seems confusing and frustrating; why not tag those as {{cn}} ("citation needed")? meanwhile, is it hard to find references supporting Knopfler's and Fripp's notable/influential use of Gibsons?? Sssoul ( talk) 09:42, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
...plays an L-00, not a Southern Jumbo in the picture.
Derek plays a Gibson SG almost exclusively from what I have seen, and have never seen a picture of him without his red SG.
Here is an interview with Gibson noting so. "Early on I loved the sound of the Gibson Les Paul, but it was just too heavy for a nine-year-old. The SG gave me a similar sound without all the weight. I also saw a picture of Duane Allman with an SG and that look has always stuck with me."
-- 142.56.86.35 ( talk) 22:08, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
(from Wipers) He played a Gibson SG, should this be mentioned? 82.41.209.185 ( talk) 21:08, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
Um, would fictional characters count? Because Yui Hirasawa from Japanese manga K-On! plays Gibson Les Paul, and I'm sure there's other fictional characters play Gibson Les Paul. Scyoon95 ( talk) 10:33, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
to the IP who's been adding the two Coheed and Cambria guitarists: thanks for including a citation, but does the source you've cited indicate that their use of these instruments is influential, historical and/or otherwise notable in the sense that the list intro specifies? also please note that this list is alphabetized by surname; that the list entries give the model names without specifying "Gibson" (the list subject makes it redundant to repeat "Gibson" in individual entries); and that phrases like "is known to" are not used on Wikipedia - see WP:Weasel. thanks Sssoul ( talk) 14:52, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
Adrian Smith(Iron Maiden)-Early 70's Les Paul Goldtop Deluxe, Gibson SG's and a Gibson Double cutaway Melody Maker
as seen in the video for the song "Flight Of Icarus".
Scott Gorham(Thin Lizzy)-Early 70's era Les Paul Deluxe and various Les Paul Standards John Sykes(Thin Lizzy, Whitesnake, Blue Murder)-Played a Black Les Paul Custom his whole career —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.70.253.52 ( talk) 05:16, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
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Stu has been endorced by Gibson for about 13 years He is the lead guitarest for Delirious? I've put the following in like 5 times
and every time it's deleted like 2 minutes later. why?! Bertoduran09 ( talk) 18:14, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
....and yet when you go to Gibsons website and look under Artists you find his name. Bertoduran09 ( talk) 18:10, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
Unfortunately it doesnt make him notable. You essentially have to be immortalized before you can be on this list. It's relatively lame, but that's the way it goes. - nbfan —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.142.130.23 ( talk) 18:38, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
I'd like to include Joy Division/New Order guitarist, Bernard Sumner, as he's used his own, slightly customized, Gibson SG for over 25 years. The entire duration of his musical career. I can't think of any other qualifications, other than the unique sound and style he'd produced, fleshed out through the... Gibson! Let me know if I should offer anything else in order to contribute him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.94.29.223 ( talk) 16:31, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
Yep. He meets the criteria. 1) He's faithfully been using Gibsons for over 30 years. 2) His guitar is customized. 3) Upon researching guitarists who'd been directly influenced by Joy Division/New Order I'd noticed a string of Gibson users... Paul Banks, Robert Smith, The Edge, Jamie Stewart, Thom Yorke... And just scrolling through the article I find countless artists just sitting there as "Gibson Players".... Well, Bernard is a Gibson player as well, kids. A big one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.10.98.72 ( talk) 00:35, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
Why are George Thorogood and Lenny Kravitz on the list when they are simply Gibson players? Without citations? Does anyone know WHO exactly Bernard Sumner is and what he's done for modern music? He's been using Gibson for the past 30 years. He meets the first point of criteria, so I'm leaving him in. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.206.184.158 ( talk) 04:10, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
lead guitarist and one of two backup vocalists for My Chemical Romance. He plays Gibson Les Paul guitars with Seymour Duncan pickups
Iero is a rhythm guitarist and is one of the two backup vocalists for My Chemical Romance. He plays Gibson Les Paul and sometimes epiphone guitar.
John Mayer is a notable Gibson guitar player, even though he is mainly known for using Fenders. If Jimi Hendrix is labeled as a notable Gibson guitarist, when he exclusively used Fenders, than John Mayer should be on the list too. Since 2005, Mayer has been using the Gibson ES-335 along side of his Strats. He uses them on his more blues-based songs. Like on his songs "Try!" and "I'm Gonna Find Another You". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.107.67.131 ( talk) 17:01, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
He is definitely notable, has used Gibson guitars almost exclusively (with the exception of a Strat and a Tele occasionally, but who hasn't?) for almost the entire time that his band (switchfoot) has played been in existence. I think he should be on the list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.171.0.143 ( talk) 00:58, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, he should definitely be on the list —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.211.192.79 ( talk) 23:44, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
The names above have been included (and restored) for several reasons:
156.34.142.110: If you'd like to discuss this with me, please do so here instead of snap-reverting. I feel I'm on solid ground in terms of Wiki-policy, and reverting the edit after I specifically asked for a Discussion in my edit summary smacks very heavily of incivility. 24.29.58.38 17:25, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
Bottom Line: The band itself meets WP:NOTE and WP:MUSIC, else they wouldn't have a page at all. The album was highly reviewed and is currently getting a lot of radio airplay. The viewer-ship on the TV show has gone up staggeringly; the word is getting out. Gibson has officially sponsored the band and supplied the band with guitars. On the show, the band always plays their Gibsons (as per the sponsorship agreement). The band members meet the standard in the lead section. The band being virtual is not a legitimate excuse for dumping them. WP:IDONTLIKEIT is not a legitimate excuse either. They're going back on. I suggest we have an intelligent, reasonable discussion about this. Bullzeye (Ring for Service) 07:24, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
Mike Ness (front man of Social Distortion) seems to fit the criteria for the notable Gibson player list but he's not currently on it. Ness has had a pretty big impact on punk rock and it's well known that he plays a 1956 style Les Paul Goldtop. I'm not sure how citations work, but Ness plays the Les Paul Goldtop (with an Orange County sticker and Clay Smith Cams Woodpecker sticker) at all his shows
He has played Gibson SG's in his earlier years as well. —Preceding
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I am removing Steve Vai from the list. He only owns one Gibson guitar [3], and he does not not play it regularly, nor has he designed any. -- Blahm 02:18, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
I don't know how to work this, but can somebody please add Neil Young to the list? He is one of the most innovative Les Paul players there is, and one of the greatest artists of our time.
In the interest of getting this article inline with the style of List of Telecaster players, I propose we rename it to List of Gibson players and start finding sources for each entry. If an entry does not have a citation that they were a notable Gibson player, we remove them until one can be found.
So, criteria for including guitarists on this list would be:
Thoughts? -- Aguerriero ( talk) 19:20, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
I think it can be maintained through the main article and talk page easily..and like you said...more accessible to the casual reader who might have that 1 little cite that no one else can find. And I like the idea of the seperate sections for separate models. Gibson has a bizillion models. Having a separate section section for each and every one could get cumbersome. But I don't want to put anyone's nose out of joint by lumping their favorite rare model into an "other" section either. Either way, I will be glad when my Bacon books arrive from back order. Because finding online cites is alomst impossible for some of the guitarists listed who are definitely Gibson notables. I am thinking of players like Jeff Beck who is so identified as a Strat user but, along with Keith Richards, was one of the first guitarists I ever saw with a Black Beauty. Anyways.....away we go! Anger22 ( Talk 2 22) 20:25, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
It should be noted that he does not actually play his signature model, as they are just replicas of the real vintage juniors he plays.
"The Gibson SG was the guitar most seen in this axemaster's hands!" Is it just me or is that a bit POV? It's not quite encyclopaedic either.
I think a picture should be added of Angus Young playing his SG, there are no pictures of an SG on the page and he is one of the best guitarists out there. Tubyboulin 02:02, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
There is a tendency for lists like this to turn into POV lists or nn lists. As per previous discussion above, some diligence must be kept so that the player list is kept short and "notable" as per the lead-in criteria. This is the previous concensus decided on this talk page by contributing guitar project members. No "short-timers" and all new entries must be have proper refs to professional publications, books or direct artist interviews. 156.34.142.110 17:26, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
anyone have any info on Jimmy's double necked SG? i know it was a Gibson. i believe they started remaking them just recently. Whitey138 05:18, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
The additional of Eddie Van Halen to this list violates any and all criteria and vaibility of the list. He has endoresed many brands of guitars, none of which are Gibson.
Wishful thinking and riduclous stretch. I can site a picture of William Hung "playing"a Gibson guitar. That would qualify by your standards as well? I believe you would have a better argument if the page was titled "Players that rejected Gibson guitars for one reason or another".
The Explorer EVH is seen using on the first couple of tours, and also used to record most of the rhythm tracks on the first 3 albums, is actually an Ibanez "lawsuit" Explorer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.236.240.214 ( talk) 10:31, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
The inclusion Edie Van Halen on this list damages the already limited credibility of the article. The reference cited mentioned EVH's use of a Flying V as a footnote; an exception. He is known for his use of his personally built guitar employing Kramer and other various parts, pickups, etc. Thereafter he developed and endorsed Peavey guitars. HM211980 ( talk) 03:10, 11 April 2009 (UTC)HM211980 HM211980 ( talk) 03:10, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
Re: removal of Madonna. Madonna meets all lead in criteria. 1. Notable and 2. Verifiable Gibson player, sourced by Gibson themselves : http://www.gibson.com/allaccessfeatures.aspx?aliaspath=/AllAccess/One-of-a-Kind%20Madonna%20Les%20Paul
I'll direct your attention to the definition of "notable" ( http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=Notable), with emphasis on "2. prominent, important, or distinguished: many notable artists.". Your revision is subjective and the cititaion serves as verification.
This really has to be a joke surely? 86.146.42.147 ( talk) 14:43, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
There is no shortage of images in this list (almost too many). And there is an overpopulation of Rock guitarists, both pic and in the list itself. There are a great many Blues, Jazz and Country guitarists being ignored here. Perhaps some of the less notable Rock and metal players should be swapped for guitarists from other genres who are much more deserving of being on the list than some of the untalented Nu metal hacks that have been stuck in there now. 216.21.150.44 02:15, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
Robert Fripp should be on too, with his creative pioneering "Progressive Rock" sound, which was also free jazz, and his invention of frippertronics, plus the invention of new standard tuning, he has created a sizable place in rock history, and he seems to always use a les paul.
What about bassists? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.63.239.149 ( talk) 08:04, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
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While I understand if Dave Baksh isn't considered enough of a veteran Gibson player to be noted on this page, Deryck whibley, I believe, should be. He played Gibson guitars live almost exclusively for most of his musical career, and continues to use them in the studio.
This time I actually provided a source that backs up Whibley's extensive Gibson use. There is no reason not to include him in this page. He used Gibsons almost exclusively for for the majority of his earlier career and is in a well-known band. ( Blastero 18:49, 2 August 2007 (UTC))
Where is he? or he does not play gibson anymore? --Unsigned
Someone seemed to remove him by accident, re-adding. ≈ Maurauth ( Ravenor) 22:39, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
He has switched to Dean guitars (as far as I know, he doesn't even practice on Gibsons anymore...): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Heafy#Guitars 24.227.104.18 14:24, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
I added Nick Valensi to the list but it keeps getting removed and I want to make a couple things clear.
While Valensi's main guitar is an Epiphone, he can be seen playing a Gibson Les Paul Junior in performances like this one and this one. Because of this, I think we should add him. If anyone objects, please state why before removing! Thanks.
Every picture on this article, excepting Angus Young, displays a Les Paul. Gibson has produced a wide variety of electric and acoustic guitars and bass guitars as well as banjoes, mandolins and resonators. With the format we're using (one picture per letter of the alphabet) we could have pictures of twenty six different instruments rather than two. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ufossuck ( talk • contribs) 23:09, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
Surely he has to be included, him and pete doherty pratically revived british rock music in the early 2000's...i'm not too good on editing wikipedia pages with citations and that...he plays a Melody Maker —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.109.103.236 ( talk) 19:05, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
what about tom morello? he uses gibson guitars. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.185.67.3 ( talk) 08:48, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
Tom Morello CLEARLY uses a les paul throughout Audioslave. Infact the entire revelations album was recorded with a les paul that had a decal physically burned off. He can be seen in both the revelations music videos with it, and he can be seen at the "Live in Cuba"(the first american hard rock act to play cuba) with two different les pauls. And to add insult to injury, he can be seen in an issue of guitar one with his revelations les paul. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.63.239.149 ( talk) 07:32, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
He almost exclusively only uses gibson guitars, in live performances and in music videos. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.57.221.229 ( talk) 20:53, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Has anyone considered putting this article forward for Featured List review? I think it meets the criteria. -- WebHamster 21:16, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
If this list is featured for anything it should be for being subjective and incomplete the edit decisions despite the lead in criteria are still subjective and the best way to deal with it properly is to delete the list completely. All guitars are different many players have more than one how Maddonna can be a noteable player of a Gibson is way beyond my comprehension and the deletion of Billy Byrd from the list was really the last word in stupidity for me, there have been others. 86.146.42.147 ( talk) 14:48, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
i've just entered extensive corrections to the Keith Richards entry, but need some help with the references, please: since references are so vital to this thread, for now i've left them as they were, hoping very much that the errors i corrected aren't from those books!
the 59 sunburst LP was the subject of an article in the september 2007 Guitarist magazine; that article garbled the dates considerably, but it did lead to pretty good documentation that Keith bought that guitar at Selmer's in London, not in the US; since it first turns up in photos/footage in autumn 1964 there's no reason to think he acquired it much earlier than that. here's a link to a thread that (if you scroll down a bit) includes that article and extensive discussion of the instrument's history: http://www.iorr.org/talk/read.php?1,605110,page=2
i hope someone with more experience in creating acceptable references will be able to derive what's needed from that thread - thanks! meanwhile, the bit about the instrument being auctioned is probably not worth keeping - it's gone up for sale again at least once since then.
Keith's black 3PU LP Customs: there's ample photographic evidence to show that Keith owned a number of these, from 1966 on; the psychedelic-painted one is seen in photos from 1968 through 1970. the photo on the cover of the 1975 Gibson catalog is not "a later model" - it's a 1954 Black Beauty that Keith was using in 72 and 73.
the other corrections i've made seem not to be associated with particular books, so maybe i can leave my defence of them until someone asks. Sssoul ( talk) 21:52, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
regarding where/when Keith bought that 59 Sunburst LP in 1964: does the book you're citing state its sources for the claim that he got it in the US in mid-64? blogs/chatrooms may not be allowed as sources here, but that doesn't mean they're wrong, or that books are invariably correct/up to date. i know of no (0) photos/footage of Keith with that guitar prior to autumn 1964, so what is the statement that he got it in mid-1964 based on? and: photos of the guitar with its previous owner have come to light in the last six months; that owner traded it in to Selmers in London. the september 2007 Guitarist article posted in the link i gave mentions this; the article includes a number of errors but if a magazine article is an acceptable reference i'll be grateful for assistance in adding it (i've tried to wade through the wikipedia instructions for citing sources, but find them impossible to follow, sorry.)
meanwhile i hope a compromise be acceptable? i'm suggesting "Richards purchased a 1959 sunburst Les Paul in 1964." and: are details of a 2004 auction in which the guitar wasn't sold really of ongoing interest/value? it's not the last time the guitar's been offered for sale; even if a guitar Keith didn't really use very long is deemed worthy of so much space in the article, there are more (to me!) interesting (and less "time-sensitive") details that could be mentioned - eg that it was purchased by Mick Taylor in 1967, and/or that it was used again by Richards on stage in 1969.
thanks for the assistance and for being open to compromising. Sssoul ( talk) 07:35, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
>> If you have all the publication details for the magazines mentioned in the blogs then you can add direct quotes and the magazine data right here on this talk page where other editors can see it. <<
the magazine that published the evidence that Keith bought the guitar at Selmer's - and rightly points out that it was first seen in Keith's hands during the Stones' second US tour in the autumn of 1964 - is the september 2007 issue of Guitarist. the article (pages 55-58) is called "The 'Keithburst' Les Paul"; the author is Dave Burrluck. Guitarist is apparently published by Future Publishing Limited (Reg No. 2008885 England), 30 Monmouth Street, Bath, BA1 2BW UK. is there anything else you need to know to create a citation? thanks for the help with that.
it may be worth noting that the reminiscences (in the article's sidebar) from the previous owner's brother include some misleading dates (kind of implying that Keith acquired it in early 1963, which is obviously impossible), but photos of the previous owner with the guitar sure seem to substantiate the general gist of his recollections. these photos were published on line, not in the magazine, so i grasp that they're "inadmissable" for wikipedia's purposes, but the article at least provides good grounds for not stating "he got it in mid-64 on the Stones' first US tour" as if that were established fact. (and by the way if anyone has a photo or footage of him with this guitar prior to autumn 1964 i'd love to see it - thanks!)
i still suggest "Richards purchased a 1959 sunburst Les Paul in 1964." (i also still suggest skipping the bit about its nonsale in a 2004 auction - there aren't any such details in the section about other Gibsons he's owned/used for a lot longer than that one.)
anyway thanks again for help with the citation. Sssoul ( talk) 15:47, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
i hope i've managed to insert a proper web reference now (it still doesn't look quite right, but i tried!); i also hope it's deemed an acceptable source: http://www.gbase.com/Powered/GearDetails.aspx?Dealer=8eedde97-8e6e-4ca0-a8a6-227c7f435505&Item=1778604
i felt it was important not to leave the statement that this guitar was stolen in 1971, since that's potentially libelous toward subsequent owners and is apparently not as well substantiated as is commonly believed. i hope this "gear description" will be satisfactory as a source for the statement that the guitar's history from 1971 onward is "unclear", as well as for the fact that Taylor bought this guitar from Keith Richards. if this *is* an acceptable source, it might also be usefully added as a reference in the Keith Richards section. thanks for any insight as to its suitability - and for any available assistance in getting it into the right form. Sssoul ( talk) 21:38, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
i'm still concerned about the "gbase" reference, which (after the rearrangements discussed above) is now cited first in the Keith Richards section. i suspect it should be in a form like the web sources in (for example) the Townshend entry, but i couldn't figure out how to get it in that format. any assistance with that would be very gratefully received - thanks. Sssoul ( talk) 09:46, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
if people want more emphasis on the historical importance of that Keithburst, maybe the statement in the "gbase" reference that it probably contributed to both Page's and Clapton's interest in LPs would fit into the Richards entry? if you check out the "more images" section on that page there are photos of Page (circa 1965 i think?) and Clapton (in 1966) with the instrument. if it seems appropriate to people, i think i could fit that into one sentence and tuck it into the Richards entry somewhere. let me know ... Sssoul ( talk) 11:44, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
this entry seems rather chaotic - is there a Clapton expert in the house to help clean it up? the information about the ES-335 needs streamlining, consolidating or something: i gather (with some difficulty!) that it's the same red ES-335 referred to throughout, so perhaps something like this might work:
i'm not much of a Clapton-spotter but a] surely there's more information on the production years/specific models of these instruments (what vintage of ES-335 is it, and the LP mentioned was a 1960 sunburst LP wasn't it - you know, good stuff like that); and b] surely there are other Gibsons he's used prominently? (what's that he's got in the film Hail Hail Rock & Roll, for example - don't i vaguely recall some anecdote connected with that one?) and: is the Rock & Roll Circus "Dirty Mac" appearance with the red ES-335 worth mentioning? another puzzle is: i don't understand what some of the the references are referring to: if the one after "1964 SG" is a source for the whole story of when he got it & who painted it, it should be at the end of the sentence; same with the reference after "1958 Explorer". please advise! and thanks. Sssoul ( talk) 14:28, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
That reads very well. I am not sure about the 'ref name' format. I see it used a lot for web sources. For a {cite book} reference the citation also includes the page number. And if you use the 'ref name' don't you lose the page number? Otherwise... all looks good. nice link for the Crossroads auction... interesting read. You know you've got a lot of buck when you roll into a guitar auction and walk out with Blackie, Cream 335 and Lenny under your arm. 156.34.225.77 ( talk) 00:45, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
Clapton used "The Fool" on Disraeli Gears and Wheels of Fire(same Bacon ref). Adjectives that can't be attributed to an rs can just be removed.... influential, extensive or otherwise. Gibson only made a few Explorers in 1958 and then stopped as it was a huge failure (some guitar stores actually hung them outside their shop signs just to catch attention.. figuring they were of no use other than "shock advertising") Gibson wasn't prone to re-release anything that was a bust.(it took them until the mid-80s to start properly re-creating 58-60 LP 'bursts' for %@^# sakes) Something perked Gibson into making the Explorer again in 1976??? What would make them do that? Demand? Clapton recording and touring with one in the 2 years previous to them re-introducing the model certainly helps. Have you even seen that sort of mention coming out of "anything Gibson"? I could be wrong. Explorers and Firebirds and Flying Vs have interesting histories. Gibson discontinued the V in 1959 but suddenly started piecing together old stock parts and selling a couple hundred of these "Frankenstein Vs" in the late 196os. That's the "Hendrix effect" (all respects to Lonnie Mack who was a long time user but just couldn't "sell 'em" the way Jimi could). Clapton used a Firebird I almost as much as he used the Fool while he was with Cream. But Gibson didn't ride Clapton's star power on the Firebird use. So maybe it wasn't Clapton using an Explorer that promted Gibson to start them up again. In the mid-1970s Gibson was getting volumes of free publicity for V and Firebird guitars because the whole world was watching Paul Stanley from Kiss use them. And when Gibson re-started Explorer production... they didn't give them to Clapton... they gave bunches of them to Paul Stanley. But something/someone had to spark them into remaking the guitar in the first place. And that something/someone is listed somewhere on this page. 156.34.225.77 ( talk) 14:14, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
oops - a couple of new historical-detail questions: the main wikipedia article on Eric Clapton states that he bought his first Les Paul in mid-1965; in this entry here we have 1966. which is correct? and: would it be accurate to say that first Les Paul became his main stage guitar with the Bluesbreakers and Cream, or "Les Pauls were among his main stage guitars" in that period or something like that? (part of what i'm trying to do is add some variety to the sentence structure in the entry, to make it read better.) thanks again for all this good help Sssoul ( talk) 15:03, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
okay, maybe i've figured out how to include page numbers in the "ref name" format, and i've entered a test run of that for a few of the Bacon citations, just in the Beck, Bolan, Clapton and Santana entries for now. if it's a right way to go, i can do the same thing to the Bacon quotes in the other entries as well - his three books seem to be cited about 20 times in the article so it would save some space, and it's probably also worthwhile to use a more consistent reference format throughout. let me know if i should continue, or undo it if it's not the way to go - thanks. Sssoul ( talk) 13:33, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
and a different formatting question, now that i've looked at the List of Telecaster players: do the dashes after the players' names really belong in the entries on this Gibson players' list? i've been standardizing the entries, and inserted them when they were missing because most of the entries have them, but they don't really make much sense, as punctuation goes. since the Telecaster list doesn't have them, can i remove them here? Sssoul ( talk) 15:20, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
update: i've changed all the Bacon, Kitts & Chapman references to "ref name" format - i hope that's some help. in the process the total number of references was reduced a bit, but only because there are a few multiple references to exactly the same page. the only one i eliminated was a duplicate reference in the Edge entry (two in one sentence to the same page in Bacon seemed excessive). Sssoul ( talk) 22:24, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
can someone let me know what part of the statement seems doubtful to someone? he did certainly play all the models mentioned. the one bit i'm not sure of is the vintage of the Goldtop, or whether he ever appeared with it other than on the Rock & Roll Circus. but i can try to come up with sources for the rest if i know what's being "challenged". Sssoul ( talk) 18:02, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
there's some kind of untamed reference in the Neil Young entry - the site it points to is in a language that my browser doesn't support, and i don't know whether the link should be put in "ref name" format or jettisoned. an expert decision would be welcome! thanks Sssoul ( talk) 20:19, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
Didn't Kurt Cobain play a Gibson Firebird? I'd call him pretty damn notable. THen again, i don't know how long he used one, so there is probably a good reason he's not on this page, but could someone explain it to me?
Albert's entry states that he plays an "Everly Brothers Flattop." I have never known this model to be known by this name. It's either a "Gibson Everly Brothers," or a "Gibson Everly Brothers Model." Even Gibson state in their recent catalogues, with regard to the J-180 re-issue: "The release of the famous Everly Brothers model (otherwise known as the J-180) in 1962" etc, etc, but I can't seem to change it. Pat Pending ( talk) 16:52, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
He plays the one that was given to him by Don Everly, only one of two "real Everly Brothers Models" Pat Pending ( talk) 18:26, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
"Everly Brothers model" is a perfectly accurate descricption of the guitar, the only trouble is, it won't allow me to enter it! Will someone who authorized please do so. Thanks. Pat Pending ( talk) 19:56, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks very much. There's lots of references for Don giving Albert his black J-200, but no luck so far with the "Everly Brothers model". I know he has it, I've seen him using it. I'll keep on trying. Thanks once again for your help. Pat Pending ( talk) 22:16, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Flat top, Flat-top, flattop etc are all incorrect - it's correct name is the Soundingboard or Sound board. But what the hell guys, Americans think that because the instrument has a back and sides, it's a case of: "Hey guys, it's the top!" Good job Gibson don't make Harps - what would that be? The Side-top? The Flat-side top? LOL! 91.106.192.127 ( talk) 23:39, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
Helloween's Lead Guitarrist has been always using Gibson Guitars. 1990 Gibson Les Paul black, 1990 Gibson Les Paul white, 1990 Gibson Flying V white, 198?. Gibson Explorer custom black/white, 1976 Gibson L6 S. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.23.67.70 ( talk) 13:04, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
now that tremolo is spelt properly (thanks Scarian!): do we want to choose which to call these devices? at the moment they're called both tremolo and vibrato in different entries (besides the ones that sidestep the whole question by calling them "tailpiece" or just "Bigsby" or something like that). i personally usually try to sidestep it that way, but when that's awkward i do think the list should use either "vibrato" or "tremolo", not both. i guess i'd vote for "vibrato", in spite of the historical and popular wrong usage of "tremolo", but ... share your thoughts! Sssoul ( talk) 11:24, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm not sure why he got deleted (sorry, I'm new to this), but here's an article which verifies he uses a Gibson 355 TD SV - http://line6.com/artists/292/ . As for notability, if you know anything about British indie music, he's right up there with Marr when it comes to guitar idols. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dazzak ( talk • contribs) 19:59, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
In the meantime no evidence has been placed to support the argument that the entry meets the article criteria. It seems noteworthy enough if a third party reliable source can be found to properly illustrate the music shop anecdote. If that type of trivia were a common occurrence you would've thought an article would have been done about it in a guitar related magazine. 156.34.222.121 ( talk) 13:22, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
anyone have any arguments in favour of keeping Buckethead on the list? until further notice i agree with Dazzak that Butler would make more sense as an entry than Buckethead. Sssoul ( talk) 10:02, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
I have added this artist into this list for the second time. It makes no sense for him not to be in this article. He used an es330 in almost all of his live performances. There are references in the article. If someone could explain why they feel he should not be included in this list then please do so instead of just deleting him. Thoraxcorp ( talk) 21:14, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
If we're going to have a List of Gibson players, then it ought to be a list of Gibson players, without other criteria. Of course, the five Pillars still apply, as in any Wikipedia article. If the guitarist is notable and has played a Gibson guitar as part of the musical style or performance for which he or she is notable, then that guitarist belongs here. Applying ersatz policies to this article that have never had community approval is simply the wrong way to go. We have WP:NOTABLE but we don't have WP:ESPECIALLYNOTABLE. -- SSB ohio 19:32, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
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in the tv show metalacalypse the character toki uses a gibson flying v in real life i think its played by brenden small should we add toki or brenden? ( Demonslayer50054 ( talk) 00:06, 13 December 2008 (UTC))
What about James Dean Bradfield of the Manics?, he has used Les Paul Customs as his main guitars almost during all his career, but for the Lifeblood days when he used a Flying V as main guitar. I think he should be added. 190.71.241.225 ( talk) 16:01, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
Surely he meets the criteria? There are lots of lesser known guitarists listed, and well known guitarists who have used gibsons only briefly. Bradfield has penned two #1 UK singles, 10 top 20 albums and over 30 top 40 singles. He has toured the world with his white Les Paul from the beginning of the 90's to this day. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Puskaradio ( talk • contribs) 15:06, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
Why is Adam Jones always deleted. In my opinion, his use of gibson guitars is more notable than artists like Thom Yorke or Tom Delonge.
There are a lot of references stating that Adam Jones exclusively plays Gibson LE LP Custom Silverbursts. He owns five of them. It's even stated on Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Jones_(musician)#Guitars —Preceding
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There are a few noteable ommisions from the list of Gibson Players, I would like to nominate a few for consideration where does one initiate the process of offering up worthy entrants for such saintification? RogerGLewis ( talk) 05:31, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
Hello libs, that was a guy from the gibson forums called Robert Nahaum he's from Australia and something of an expert on L5's and other Gibson Archtops and Jazz players,at least it was probably Robert he also nominated George Benson who played an L5 and there is a link to George benson in the Wilkipedia it is out of date in that it hasn't recorded his death several years ago. George Benson is generally accepted as one of the greatest jazz players of all time his collection of guitars was sold by Skinners of Boston last Spring I think it was the L5 which I think once belonged to Wes Montgomery sold for £41,000. Citations to reliable sources is an interesting one is the extant entry on George Benson considered reliable. What is the citation for KT Tunstall as an example?I'm sure that we will all get the hang of this eventually, it would be nice to be able to view entries without some obvious jarring omissions. One of the other Gibson Forum people mentioned Mary Ford who played Guitar with Les Paul, a gibson acoustic and a les paul when they came out part of the Les Pauls initial popularity was based on Mary Fords and Les Pauls celebruity in the US, Mary Ford really should be on the list there are plenty of others. Mike Bloomfield is a featured guitarist on the Gibson site this week with a sig model Les Paiul, Trini Lopez has a signature Gibson Model that alone would seem to qualify under the three headings. Thanks for your continuing input it is much appreciated. RogerGLewis ( talk) 14:32, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
Thanks real libs, I'll take all of that constructive advice on board and set about preparing citations etc in line with the model examples of Billy Gibbons and Rory Gallagher (one of my particular favourites, so will enjoy reading that anyhow) On the Mando and Banjo front I'll e-mail a few of the guys into those instruments and see if I can drum up a bit of interest for them to mobilise their expertise in this direction. Thanks again RogerGLewis ( talk) 18:48, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
Can someone please explain to me why more than half the players listed on this page have NO references, yet when I post a brief entry about Mark Knopfler with a few [indisputable] facts it gets removed for "needing citations"? I understand and agree with the need to cite sources but I am simply following the precedent on this page. If my posts are going to be removed with such prejudice then I believe that someone should go through this page and remove all players without references, just to be fair. 66revolver ( talk) 04:50, 9 May 2009 (UTC)—Preceding unsigned comment added by 66revolver ( talk • contribs) 04:48, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
(outdent) i've asked before (see above) for a link to where the criteria for this list were hammered out, but meanwhile: my understanding is that the refs need to establish that the artists' use of Gibsons has been notable/influential, not just that the artist is notable and has used Gibsons. if earlier entries were "grandfathered in" from the days before inline citations became the standard, it's not strange that that seems confusing and frustrating; why not tag those as {{cn}} ("citation needed")? meanwhile, is it hard to find references supporting Knopfler's and Fripp's notable/influential use of Gibsons?? Sssoul ( talk) 09:42, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
...plays an L-00, not a Southern Jumbo in the picture.
Derek plays a Gibson SG almost exclusively from what I have seen, and have never seen a picture of him without his red SG.
Here is an interview with Gibson noting so. "Early on I loved the sound of the Gibson Les Paul, but it was just too heavy for a nine-year-old. The SG gave me a similar sound without all the weight. I also saw a picture of Duane Allman with an SG and that look has always stuck with me."
-- 142.56.86.35 ( talk) 22:08, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
(from Wipers) He played a Gibson SG, should this be mentioned? 82.41.209.185 ( talk) 21:08, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
Um, would fictional characters count? Because Yui Hirasawa from Japanese manga K-On! plays Gibson Les Paul, and I'm sure there's other fictional characters play Gibson Les Paul. Scyoon95 ( talk) 10:33, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
to the IP who's been adding the two Coheed and Cambria guitarists: thanks for including a citation, but does the source you've cited indicate that their use of these instruments is influential, historical and/or otherwise notable in the sense that the list intro specifies? also please note that this list is alphabetized by surname; that the list entries give the model names without specifying "Gibson" (the list subject makes it redundant to repeat "Gibson" in individual entries); and that phrases like "is known to" are not used on Wikipedia - see WP:Weasel. thanks Sssoul ( talk) 14:52, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
Adrian Smith(Iron Maiden)-Early 70's Les Paul Goldtop Deluxe, Gibson SG's and a Gibson Double cutaway Melody Maker
as seen in the video for the song "Flight Of Icarus".
Scott Gorham(Thin Lizzy)-Early 70's era Les Paul Deluxe and various Les Paul Standards John Sykes(Thin Lizzy, Whitesnake, Blue Murder)-Played a Black Les Paul Custom his whole career —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.70.253.52 ( talk) 05:16, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
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