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What is the meaning of the rank in the table at List of German supercentenarians#German supercentenarians, which skips many people listed? Is it perhaps based on an incomplete external source? We should either rank people correctly or remove this column. — JFG talk 02:29, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
The article currently has separate lists for German residents and German emigrants. However, the subject matter is "German supercentenarians", so that the places they have moved during their life should not matter to their German nationality and ranking as supercentenarians. Therefore I suggest merging the list of emigrants with the main list of oldest German people ever. A similar reasoning was recently applied to the French and Italian lists. — JFG talk 18:48, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
I think it's best to merge the content from Gustav Gerneth here; an attempt to do so got reverted. Said page now is a relic of longevity trivia, and the stripped-down version removing irrelevant details (he lives in a house with a steep staircase, seriously?) is only a couple paragraphs. This page isn't overly long, and that way we'd have a decent minibio somewhere with a bit of context. The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい) 22:09, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
Done. Enough support for the merge. I have preserved the full text. —
JFG
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04:59, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
There is a clear consensus that this list should enumerate the up-to-100 known oldest German people over 110 years old as reported by various reliable sources instead of assigning a ranking only to GRG-validated people and keeping the other entries unnumbered.
Should this list enumerate the up-to-100 known oldest German people over 110 years old, as reported by various reliable sources (proposed change), or should it assign a ranking only to GRG-validated people, and keep other entries unnumbered (status quo)? — JFG talk 08:05, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
This rationale is mirrored from the recent RfC about the oldest Italian people.
The oldest people from Germany are being tracked by various sources: news reports on birthdays and deaths, articles and studies about longevity, and various special interest groups and forums. A prominent tracker of supercentenarians worldwide has been the Gerontology Research Group (GRG), which maintains a network of correspondents in several countries dedicated to discovering and validating cases of extreme age. The present article, and various others, have been historically largely sourced to the GRG's public lists of supercentenarians by nation, and a usual practice has developed of assigning a ranking only to persons that have been validated by the GRG. However, since 2016, GRG correspondents in most countries have stopped documenting people under 112 years old, so that recent cases are mostly sourced from newspaper reports; this is apparent when sorting our list by death date. As a consequence, this list is giving undue prominence to cases that were documented earlier, while newer cases are unranked, including most of the living people on the list. On the other hand, we have ample and adequate journalistic sourcing for many elder Germans, and few cases are actually disputed in this country. Accordingly, we should re-number the list to include all well-sourced cases, irrespective of whether they are listed by the GRG. The list would then be current and truly represent the "oldest known" Germans. The current list would not change, but the 25 unranked people would be numbered, reaching 96 currently-documented German supercentenarians. In the future, new people who reach their 110th birthday would be included, and the list would be eventually trimmed at the top 100 oldest, just like the French, Italian, British, American and Japanese lists. The proposed change is also in line with general Wikipedia policy, whereby all relevant WP:RS should be considered in order to enhance our coverage of any particular topic area. — JFG talk 08:05, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
Please express your preference with Support (for ranking all well-sourced people) or Oppose (for ranking people from GRG only) and a brief rationale . Longer comments should go to the #Discussion section below.
According to this url https://the110club.com/austrian-german-and-swiss-centenarians-t480-s1545.html, on page 104, Rehfeldt is marked as "deceased" in 2020 without an exact date of her death. I did not find any other source stating her death. Should she still appear on that list?-- 2A02:8108:41BF:A028:FA:5EBC:BDEA:773A ( talk) 18:26, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
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There's a discussion going on at Talk:List of the oldest people by country concerning this topic. Renewal6 ( talk) 21:50, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
Asta Hasse died between January 1 and September 18, 2022. Since the date is (currently) uncertain, I figured that it made sense to place her on the ranking list at 24th place (the youngest she would have been at death, with a death date of January 1, 2022). I did indicate that she may have lived up until September 18, 2022. I am not sure if this was the best way to handle her uncertain date of death. Is there a different, more proper way to have done this? Wiki O'Ryan ( talk) 00:44, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
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![]() | On 1 August 2021, it was proposed that this article be moved from Supercentenarians from Germany to List of German supercentenarians. The result of the discussion was moved. |
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What is the meaning of the rank in the table at List of German supercentenarians#German supercentenarians, which skips many people listed? Is it perhaps based on an incomplete external source? We should either rank people correctly or remove this column. — JFG talk 02:29, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
The article currently has separate lists for German residents and German emigrants. However, the subject matter is "German supercentenarians", so that the places they have moved during their life should not matter to their German nationality and ranking as supercentenarians. Therefore I suggest merging the list of emigrants with the main list of oldest German people ever. A similar reasoning was recently applied to the French and Italian lists. — JFG talk 18:48, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
I think it's best to merge the content from Gustav Gerneth here; an attempt to do so got reverted. Said page now is a relic of longevity trivia, and the stripped-down version removing irrelevant details (he lives in a house with a steep staircase, seriously?) is only a couple paragraphs. This page isn't overly long, and that way we'd have a decent minibio somewhere with a bit of context. The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい) 22:09, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
Done. Enough support for the merge. I have preserved the full text. —
JFG
talk
04:59, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
There is a clear consensus that this list should enumerate the up-to-100 known oldest German people over 110 years old as reported by various reliable sources instead of assigning a ranking only to GRG-validated people and keeping the other entries unnumbered.
Should this list enumerate the up-to-100 known oldest German people over 110 years old, as reported by various reliable sources (proposed change), or should it assign a ranking only to GRG-validated people, and keep other entries unnumbered (status quo)? — JFG talk 08:05, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
This rationale is mirrored from the recent RfC about the oldest Italian people.
The oldest people from Germany are being tracked by various sources: news reports on birthdays and deaths, articles and studies about longevity, and various special interest groups and forums. A prominent tracker of supercentenarians worldwide has been the Gerontology Research Group (GRG), which maintains a network of correspondents in several countries dedicated to discovering and validating cases of extreme age. The present article, and various others, have been historically largely sourced to the GRG's public lists of supercentenarians by nation, and a usual practice has developed of assigning a ranking only to persons that have been validated by the GRG. However, since 2016, GRG correspondents in most countries have stopped documenting people under 112 years old, so that recent cases are mostly sourced from newspaper reports; this is apparent when sorting our list by death date. As a consequence, this list is giving undue prominence to cases that were documented earlier, while newer cases are unranked, including most of the living people on the list. On the other hand, we have ample and adequate journalistic sourcing for many elder Germans, and few cases are actually disputed in this country. Accordingly, we should re-number the list to include all well-sourced cases, irrespective of whether they are listed by the GRG. The list would then be current and truly represent the "oldest known" Germans. The current list would not change, but the 25 unranked people would be numbered, reaching 96 currently-documented German supercentenarians. In the future, new people who reach their 110th birthday would be included, and the list would be eventually trimmed at the top 100 oldest, just like the French, Italian, British, American and Japanese lists. The proposed change is also in line with general Wikipedia policy, whereby all relevant WP:RS should be considered in order to enhance our coverage of any particular topic area. — JFG talk 08:05, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
Please express your preference with Support (for ranking all well-sourced people) or Oppose (for ranking people from GRG only) and a brief rationale . Longer comments should go to the #Discussion section below.
According to this url https://the110club.com/austrian-german-and-swiss-centenarians-t480-s1545.html, on page 104, Rehfeldt is marked as "deceased" in 2020 without an exact date of her death. I did not find any other source stating her death. Should she still appear on that list?-- 2A02:8108:41BF:A028:FA:5EBC:BDEA:773A ( talk) 18:26, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Supercentenarians in the United States which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — RMCD bot 11:49, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
There's a discussion going on at Talk:List of the oldest people by country concerning this topic. Renewal6 ( talk) 21:50, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
Asta Hasse died between January 1 and September 18, 2022. Since the date is (currently) uncertain, I figured that it made sense to place her on the ranking list at 24th place (the youngest she would have been at death, with a death date of January 1, 2022). I did indicate that she may have lived up until September 18, 2022. I am not sure if this was the best way to handle her uncertain date of death. Is there a different, more proper way to have done this? Wiki O'Ryan ( talk) 00:44, 20 October 2022 (UTC)