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Making a place to discuss all of the proposed merge discussions. To keep things neat, there is one section for each proposal. -- AnmaFinotera ( talk · contribs) 18:23, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Like, entirely. She's more important than half of the characters there. Somebody should fix this. 80.221.173.126 ( talk) 06:46, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
I can understand combining these pages together, but as the source material, the manga has to be treated as the primary focus. A separate heading should be created at the bottom for characters exclusive to other media, which is also the only place where differences in homonculi should be noted. Also, main characters should be grouped together at the top, and a new section should be created under "Amestris" in place of "Alchemists" and "Other". Jbetteridge ( talk) 23:48, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
In anticipation of a future revert, I would like to explain my recent minor edit to the section on the character, Rose. Though it is implied that Rose is raped by a soldier in the anime, this little "fact" is not definite because:
It is therefore safer to say in the article that it is implied she was raped. Wolf ODonnell ( talk) 09:32, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
I notice that no characters introduced in the movies (Dietlinde Eckhart, Alfons Heiderich, Fritz Lang) are listed on this page. Is there a reason it's been left out, or has the page simply not been updated with movie information? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.28.192.172 ( talk) 09:17, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
The problem of the Homunculi is that some of them are repeated a lot in the article; for example king bradley is explained twice and also selim. Could Wrath (manga) and Pride (anime) be simply redirected to King Bradley while Selim or Pride be also redirected? Tintor2 ( talk) 01:14, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
Why has her name been changed back to Olivier? That is obviously a male name, it should be Olivia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.161.44.183 ( talk) 04:25, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
The Truth appears only in the manga. It is a near-featureless humanoid mass of white surrounded by black Kirby dots that guards the Gate of Truth and demands tolls from alchemists who try to enter it. The being has a very sadistic personality, mocking and laughing at those who will willingly trade away some of their bodies for a glimpse of the omniscient knowledge housed beyond the Gate. As the body part paid as a "toll" dissolves away from the alchemist, it forms on the body of the Truth. The Truth's only normal facial feature is its wide toothy mouth, which is visible only when contorted into a massive grin. The Truth's name is derived from a brief conversation with Edward, where it also identifies itself as "the One," "the All," "the World," "God," and "Truth." However, in subsequent conversations it is referred to simply as "the Truth."
I would like to include a new character article for The Truth, but my post keeps getting deleted. Here is my article, and if it is decided that it is too unimportant to add I will stop trying to put it in. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.58.199.114 ( talk • contribs) 23:35, September 24, 2008
I have tagged Maes Hughes, Lin Yao and Izumi Curtis to merge them here. None of these articles pass notability and have other issues. Dante, Hohenheim and Father may also be merged but I ll see how these go. Regards. Tintor2 ( talk) 17:21, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
I realize this has the potential to snowball and go very wrong, but can't we put just a little information about the powers of some of the manga-version homunculi, particularly Sloth and the worn-down Envy? I've tried, and keep getting deleted out. Speaking of Envy, as we now know that every manga-version Homunculus was created from Father, and, conversely, from the Philosopher's Stone of Xerxes, I will alter the part of the article that refers to Envy's stone as the sole product of that incident. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.58.199.114 ( talk) 03:47, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
Sigh...this is the second time my revisions have been undone en-masse. Look, while I agree in hindsight that many of the cuts were indeed composed of "too many details," some of them (such as May's crush on Al and Scar's brother's discoveries) were both short and important to character relationships and plot, certainly more so than the mention of May and Ed fighting over which one is taller which was left untouched. Some of the edits were even focused on condensing, correcting, and improving data, such as the now-fixed description of Envy's philosopher's stone. Now, I realize it's probably a lot easier to spot a few mistakes and undo all changes than to go through it all, but please. Don't just get rid of it *all* like *that*....Gads, now I sound like a whiner. Anyway, unless told otherwise, I'll keep my mitts off this page for now. User:68.58.199.114 03:18, 17 December 2008
The list is becoming very long (97 kylobites) and it still needs several va refs, other anime refs, and expansion of conception (if available) and reception (lots of reviews available). Should we remove some minor characters and trim some parts? The question is which characters? Pinako s section is very short, but she appears a lot in the series. Regards. Tintor2 ( talk) 16:27, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
Who's the guy in this scene? The clip's from 4:01-4:08 Zeta Nova 02:16, 06 January 2009 (UTC).
While I was working on List of Fullmetal Alchemist episodes, I realized that while minor characters from the anime like Mugwar (or is it Magwar?) and Psyren (or is it Psiren?) don't have blurbs, minor characters from the manga, like Buccaneer have blurbs. Is this intentional? NOCTURNENOIR ( m • t • c ) 21:56, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
Anime News Network have posted a list of the cast for series 2 here. Aside from Ed and Al, a quick glance suggests it's all different Dandy Sephy ( talk) 09:28, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
While cleaning up some grammar and sentence structure things, I noticed how some paragraphs would go in depth about Scar, even when the paragraph wasn't about Scar. In one case (Ishbal), I considered removing it completely because it was utterly irrelevant to go into such detail about the one character and his history when the article was supposedly about the culture/race. I was surprised to find that Scar doesn't actually have his own paragraph, so I made one myself so that he could have his own. His information is mish-mashed here and there within other paragraphs and I attempted to compile it all together and cite the appropriate references and such. Please feel free to edit/organize as seen fit (you'll find it underneath "Ishbal"). If you would please discuss any edits that are made here so that I may understand the reasoning as to why.
Also, as of the 2nd episode of the new Brotherhood series: Funimation has decided to translate rentanjutsu (煉丹術) as Alkahestry. I've already gone through and made the appropriate additions wherever I've seen rentanjutsu, but I just thought I'd let everyone know. About midway through the second episode, Hughes passes Mustang the report on Isaac McDougal, the Freezing Alchemist from the first episode, and Mustang responds "Xingese Alkahestry?" (per Funimation's subtitles). If you actually listen to the Japanese, however, he does say rentanjutsu; I've provided the appropriate citations wherever I've added alkahestry, so whatever thoughts, just post 'em up here! Thanks -- Watemon ( talk) 22:15, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
Propose a change on how to better list the actors for those characters appearing in the anime (both series, for those that apply).
Like the above discussion, I'm putting this all in one box so that it's A) easier to find, and B) to keep the discussion organized. --
Watemon (
talk) 21:19, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Rie Kugimiya voices him in Japanese, and Aaron Dismuke in the English adaptation. 1
Yūko Satō voices her in Japanese, and Laura Bailey in English. 2
Kimblee is voiced by Yuji Ueda in the Japanese series, and by Eric Vale in the English adaptation. His voice in the new series is provided by Hiroyuki Yoshino. 3
Edward is voiced by Romi Paku and Vic Mignogna in the Japanese and English versions, respectively. 4
Toru Okawa and Travis Willingham voice Mustang in the Japanese and English versions, respectively. 5
My position: the way we currently list the actors at the ends of each characters' paragraph (for those that apply) isn't consistent throughout all characters. The language tends to be different, and I think we could make it better, as an encyclopedic reference source.
Zolf J. Kimblee |
Tim Marcoh
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Alex Louis Armstrong
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I personally think listing the actors in this way is much better: it provides relevant information at-a-glance without necessarily having to read through the whole paragraph, and it removes the question of language and syntax. Organizationally it also looks much better. We can go ahead and make these changes if everyone agrees to it, no sense in repeatedly reverting edits if someone disagrees. 1 2 -- Watemon ( talk) 21:19, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
1st suggestion
Zolf J. Kimblee
1st suggestion (revised)
Zolf J. Kimblee
I split this up, the section was getting too big, and Martel is too important of a dramatic character to clump in with the other ones like that. Tyciol ( talk) 00:07, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
It's becoming a trend for editors to add references to events in the 2nd series that have yet to happen (i.e. Shou Tucker being killed by Scar before the episode had aired, or most recently General Armstrong's appearance).
Yes, the 2nd anime will more closely follow the manga (more particularly the later volumes after Maes Hughes' death), HOWEVER, just because it is likely that we'll see (currently) manga exclusive characters in the 2nd anime series or know how certain events may very well play out, doesn't mean we can say that characters appear in or events were depicted in the 2nd series before any of those episodes have aired. Please refrain from referencing the 2nd series if the 2nd series hasn't actually yet depicted what is being referenced.
Also, if everyone else could keep an eye out for these references as they occur.
--
Watemon (
talk) 16:22, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
I agree. Until some event happen in the 2nd anime, it shouldnt be mentioned. Tintor2 ( talk) 16:26, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
I trust Hime221984 ( talk · contribs) when he added that the Anime Profile book refers as female. However, the Hohenheim (Fullmetal Alchemist) and Dante (Fullmetal Alchemist) articles refer to Envy (in the first series) as a son. However, I'm confused: it's the anime profile book that refers to Envy she. ~ Itzjustdrama ? C 22:51, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
Now I don't personally own a copy of the profile books, but I would suggest that if there is any sort of discrepancy between the profile book and the anime, that we go with the anime. Within the plot itself, we know that Envy's TRUE form was created from the SON of Hohenheim and Dante (again, per the anime). If whoever was writing the profile books overlooked this plot detail because they were in some way unfamiliar with the story in its entirety, than it would be a darn shame to have the wikipedia article be incorrect as well.
Within prose, I say refer to Envy as HE because we know this to be fact within the plot line, otherwise, I think it is worth noting the ambiguity behind his gender, and even noting that the profile books list Envy as such (if someone could verify this).
Watemon (
talk) 07:11, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
About this, is it really fair to call this character 'minor'? She's the focus of several episodes as a companion, and reveals critical information. In the very least these characters need their own bullets. I didn't make the article notably bigger, just more distinctive. Even if you don't want them to have sections (this is very valuable for redirecting their unique names eh? In the very least they should have their own bullets. Right now they're all lumped together in a huge 'chimeras' paragraph which is not easily legible. I can understand combining Bido/Dorchet/Loa because there's not much written, but a lot's written about her, how about at least a bullet? Hers is one of the more brutal scenes, easily comparable to Hughes in impact of demonstrating the homunculi's attitude. Tyciol ( talk) 00:22, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
So remind me again why Father, Dante, Hohenheim, and Winry all have pages? Hohenheim and Father are very unimportant (Non existant in Father's case) in the anime, while Dante is non existant in the manga. We know next to nothing about Father or Hohenheim due to them having been explored so little, which makes me question how you even managed to make full pages for them in the first place. Winry. . .Has no relevance whatsoever to the plot and is quickly overshadowed by other characters, quite honestly. The characters I'd propose get articles are Envy and King Bradley for their important status in both the anime and manga. They're more recurring and are much more defined then Dante/Father anyway. Father's case may change as we finally get to his fight in the manga, but at the present I don't see the logic behind it.
I agree entirely with the above poster. Hohenheim and Winry are both very minor characters in comparison to the likes of Envy who is, quite probably, the main antagonist of the entire anime series and a major character in the anime. Bradley is another case of this, being a very large character plotwise in both the anime an the manga. As the above poster also mentioned, Father is not at all relevant to the anime series whereas Dante isn't relevant to the manga. In my honest opinion, the characters that REQUIRE articles first should be the major players in both the anime and manga series. Either these articles should be removed permenantly (if the users here have no plans of making pages for more notable characters), or at least accompanied by pages for the more plot relevant characters. User:MarthTrinity —Preceding undated comment added 06:19, 22 October 2009 (UTC).
Just pointing out, for the sake of getting it out there... "Sheska"'s name is actually spelled "Sciezka". At least that's how it appears in text in Fullmetal Alchemist: Dual Sympathy, the Nintendo DS game. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xelrog T. Apocalypse ( talk • contribs) 10:10, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
It is a fact that Ling Yao's name is spelt "Ling" and not "Lin", as many people misspell his name due to an error in the English VizMedia translations of the volumes. In Volume 9, Chapter 35: Scapegoat ('The Sacrificial Lamb' in Viz), "Ling Yao W1582" [ILLEGAL LINK REMOVED] is written on his jail bracelet, drawn by Arakawa herself, yet the translation of his name in the speech bubble is "Lin". The official spelling of his name is on the commercial titles of Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood, written in English [ILLEGAL LINK REMOVED], and is also on the official Japanese website ( http://www.hagaren.jp/) under the characters section.
My editing of this was remarked as VANDALISM! I provided plenty of evidence, yet the person who marked my edit as vandalism provided very little against. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ElfenNyu ( talk • contribs) 19:43, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
Okay, next time I'll take a photograph instead. How come you have not removed the official Hagaren site? It goes against what you're saying. And how is Photobucket illegal...? -- ElfenNyu ( talk) 21:47, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
Might i add that there is also a similar inconsistency in this and other related articles about the whole Xerxes/Cselkcess thing.
Isn't the policy to go with the official English spelling. In the FUNimation anime, it is clearly pronounced and spelled "Ling". And seeing how pretty much every other anime on this site goes by the "official" spelling, it's only right that this does the same. Buh6173 ( talk) 07:20, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
Hey Just wanted to say thanks for ruining the ending about Ed I have one episode left to see, GEEZ...have the decency to put a spoiler alert or something at the top. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.140.123.206 ( talk) 22:23, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
I wanted to know if it's alright for me to make a seperate article for Ling Yao, as I've found plenty of reception and he's pretty important in the series. Also, I've noticed that Hoenheima and Father don't have a reception section posted, so I'm going to add some to their articles, if that's alright. Redbird 41 ( talk) 01:13, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
Lin has received both praise and criticism from various publications. Lin consistently places high on the popularity polls. Lin placed 9th on the most recent poll, and Greed/Lin placed 13th on the most recent poll.Cite error: The <ref>
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[1] While initially feeling that his character felt “forced” Chris Beveridge praised the combination of Greed and Ling and says that Greeling continues to be a “fascinating character to watch” and praised his development over the course of the show. Christopher Homer of the same site praised Lin’s jovial and sneaky personality. He went on to note the character’s deception saying, “Once his eyes open, you know you’d better start running.”
[1] He says that Lin becoming the new Greed “brings us a brilliant and fun battle within” praising the struggle between Lin and Greed for control of Lin’s body. Theron Martin of ANN.com praised Lin’s introduction to the series saying that it “expands a setting that was originally relatively limited for as worldly as its story was.”
[1] Chris Beveridge praised the Greedling character saying, “those two are becoming even more intertwined as time goes on” and that it “adds to the intrigue” of the character.
[1] Erin Finnegan of Anime News Network noted that the characters from Xing were “Chinese stereotypes” and pointed out that, “Lin has lines for eyes most of the time”.
[1] Lin Yao has appeared in other Fullmetal Alchemist merchandise including action figures.
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STFX1046190 (
talk) 00:02, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
I think you're a bit confused about how translations work. Arakawa has nothing to do with them, that's Viz's job. As for Ling's name, she does not call it Lin. Translations for names mostly come from eyecatches that are not translated by Viz, FUNimation, or any other English company. The eyecatch names are written in English by the Japanese writers. Therefore they carry much more weight than translations, and are what we use. Fullmetal Fan 22:48, June 9, 2011 (UTC)
STFX1046190 ( talk) 23:33, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
The anime should carry absolutely zero weight when translating something. The only things that count are the manga, databooks, or the mangaka. Gune ( talk) 01:34, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
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He wasn't in either the anime or manga for long, but he did have an impact on the story, like with the raid on Ishbal. We need to add him under the Alchemists section. 66.168.179.100 ( talk) 08:22, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
Greed, for most of the manga and 2003 anime, was definitely against the antagonists (both Dante and Father). So shouldn't he be removed from the antagonist section? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wrath X ( talk • contribs) 14:43, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
Where is Truth? The colorless, enigmatic entity that took Edward's arm and leg, Al's whole body, and did other things vital to the story. He (it?) is a major part of the plot line and needs to be added. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tigerlotus ( talk • contribs) 03:43, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
Unfortunately, while I agree with most of the recent changes, there seems to be some disagreement on the use of the words Ishval or Ishbal. Per WP:MOSANIME, we are using the Viz manga names (as this is the primary work). Viz originally translated Ishbal as Ishval, but later spellings corrected it and this is the one that has been used for most of the articles. Since we are following the original story and second anime, Funimation opted to use the (incorrect, I think) Ishval spelling. So, given that we use the manga names (as with One Piece, etc.), should we use Ishbal (the corrected name) or Ishval? Comments are welcome. Lord Sjones23 ( talk – contributions) 02:55, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
In the manga, there's a map that shows it as "Ishval." It is commonly mistranslated because there is no "v" sound in Japanese, so because it sounded like a "b" that's what it was replaced with, contrary to the "v" in the spelling. This error was fixed for the Brotherhood anime because of this translating mistake, so it is safe to say that Ishaval should probably be the right translation that should be said. Sasrrs ( talk) 01:48, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
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When I watched the show, King Bradley is referred to as the "Fuhrer President" as his role... but this isn't mentioned her on this page. Its mentioned on the FMA wiki - https://fma.fandom.com/wiki/King_Bradley Deathlibrarian ( talk) 08:05, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
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Making a place to discuss all of the proposed merge discussions. To keep things neat, there is one section for each proposal. -- AnmaFinotera ( talk · contribs) 18:23, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Like, entirely. She's more important than half of the characters there. Somebody should fix this. 80.221.173.126 ( talk) 06:46, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
I can understand combining these pages together, but as the source material, the manga has to be treated as the primary focus. A separate heading should be created at the bottom for characters exclusive to other media, which is also the only place where differences in homonculi should be noted. Also, main characters should be grouped together at the top, and a new section should be created under "Amestris" in place of "Alchemists" and "Other". Jbetteridge ( talk) 23:48, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
In anticipation of a future revert, I would like to explain my recent minor edit to the section on the character, Rose. Though it is implied that Rose is raped by a soldier in the anime, this little "fact" is not definite because:
It is therefore safer to say in the article that it is implied she was raped. Wolf ODonnell ( talk) 09:32, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
I notice that no characters introduced in the movies (Dietlinde Eckhart, Alfons Heiderich, Fritz Lang) are listed on this page. Is there a reason it's been left out, or has the page simply not been updated with movie information? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.28.192.172 ( talk) 09:17, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
The problem of the Homunculi is that some of them are repeated a lot in the article; for example king bradley is explained twice and also selim. Could Wrath (manga) and Pride (anime) be simply redirected to King Bradley while Selim or Pride be also redirected? Tintor2 ( talk) 01:14, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
Why has her name been changed back to Olivier? That is obviously a male name, it should be Olivia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.161.44.183 ( talk) 04:25, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
The Truth appears only in the manga. It is a near-featureless humanoid mass of white surrounded by black Kirby dots that guards the Gate of Truth and demands tolls from alchemists who try to enter it. The being has a very sadistic personality, mocking and laughing at those who will willingly trade away some of their bodies for a glimpse of the omniscient knowledge housed beyond the Gate. As the body part paid as a "toll" dissolves away from the alchemist, it forms on the body of the Truth. The Truth's only normal facial feature is its wide toothy mouth, which is visible only when contorted into a massive grin. The Truth's name is derived from a brief conversation with Edward, where it also identifies itself as "the One," "the All," "the World," "God," and "Truth." However, in subsequent conversations it is referred to simply as "the Truth."
I would like to include a new character article for The Truth, but my post keeps getting deleted. Here is my article, and if it is decided that it is too unimportant to add I will stop trying to put it in. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.58.199.114 ( talk • contribs) 23:35, September 24, 2008
I have tagged Maes Hughes, Lin Yao and Izumi Curtis to merge them here. None of these articles pass notability and have other issues. Dante, Hohenheim and Father may also be merged but I ll see how these go. Regards. Tintor2 ( talk) 17:21, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
I realize this has the potential to snowball and go very wrong, but can't we put just a little information about the powers of some of the manga-version homunculi, particularly Sloth and the worn-down Envy? I've tried, and keep getting deleted out. Speaking of Envy, as we now know that every manga-version Homunculus was created from Father, and, conversely, from the Philosopher's Stone of Xerxes, I will alter the part of the article that refers to Envy's stone as the sole product of that incident. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.58.199.114 ( talk) 03:47, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
Sigh...this is the second time my revisions have been undone en-masse. Look, while I agree in hindsight that many of the cuts were indeed composed of "too many details," some of them (such as May's crush on Al and Scar's brother's discoveries) were both short and important to character relationships and plot, certainly more so than the mention of May and Ed fighting over which one is taller which was left untouched. Some of the edits were even focused on condensing, correcting, and improving data, such as the now-fixed description of Envy's philosopher's stone. Now, I realize it's probably a lot easier to spot a few mistakes and undo all changes than to go through it all, but please. Don't just get rid of it *all* like *that*....Gads, now I sound like a whiner. Anyway, unless told otherwise, I'll keep my mitts off this page for now. User:68.58.199.114 03:18, 17 December 2008
The list is becoming very long (97 kylobites) and it still needs several va refs, other anime refs, and expansion of conception (if available) and reception (lots of reviews available). Should we remove some minor characters and trim some parts? The question is which characters? Pinako s section is very short, but she appears a lot in the series. Regards. Tintor2 ( talk) 16:27, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
Who's the guy in this scene? The clip's from 4:01-4:08 Zeta Nova 02:16, 06 January 2009 (UTC).
While I was working on List of Fullmetal Alchemist episodes, I realized that while minor characters from the anime like Mugwar (or is it Magwar?) and Psyren (or is it Psiren?) don't have blurbs, minor characters from the manga, like Buccaneer have blurbs. Is this intentional? NOCTURNENOIR ( m • t • c ) 21:56, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
Anime News Network have posted a list of the cast for series 2 here. Aside from Ed and Al, a quick glance suggests it's all different Dandy Sephy ( talk) 09:28, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
While cleaning up some grammar and sentence structure things, I noticed how some paragraphs would go in depth about Scar, even when the paragraph wasn't about Scar. In one case (Ishbal), I considered removing it completely because it was utterly irrelevant to go into such detail about the one character and his history when the article was supposedly about the culture/race. I was surprised to find that Scar doesn't actually have his own paragraph, so I made one myself so that he could have his own. His information is mish-mashed here and there within other paragraphs and I attempted to compile it all together and cite the appropriate references and such. Please feel free to edit/organize as seen fit (you'll find it underneath "Ishbal"). If you would please discuss any edits that are made here so that I may understand the reasoning as to why.
Also, as of the 2nd episode of the new Brotherhood series: Funimation has decided to translate rentanjutsu (煉丹術) as Alkahestry. I've already gone through and made the appropriate additions wherever I've seen rentanjutsu, but I just thought I'd let everyone know. About midway through the second episode, Hughes passes Mustang the report on Isaac McDougal, the Freezing Alchemist from the first episode, and Mustang responds "Xingese Alkahestry?" (per Funimation's subtitles). If you actually listen to the Japanese, however, he does say rentanjutsu; I've provided the appropriate citations wherever I've added alkahestry, so whatever thoughts, just post 'em up here! Thanks -- Watemon ( talk) 22:15, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
Propose a change on how to better list the actors for those characters appearing in the anime (both series, for those that apply).
Like the above discussion, I'm putting this all in one box so that it's A) easier to find, and B) to keep the discussion organized. --
Watemon (
talk) 21:19, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Rie Kugimiya voices him in Japanese, and Aaron Dismuke in the English adaptation. 1
Yūko Satō voices her in Japanese, and Laura Bailey in English. 2
Kimblee is voiced by Yuji Ueda in the Japanese series, and by Eric Vale in the English adaptation. His voice in the new series is provided by Hiroyuki Yoshino. 3
Edward is voiced by Romi Paku and Vic Mignogna in the Japanese and English versions, respectively. 4
Toru Okawa and Travis Willingham voice Mustang in the Japanese and English versions, respectively. 5
My position: the way we currently list the actors at the ends of each characters' paragraph (for those that apply) isn't consistent throughout all characters. The language tends to be different, and I think we could make it better, as an encyclopedic reference source.
Zolf J. Kimblee |
Tim Marcoh
|
Alex Louis Armstrong
|
I personally think listing the actors in this way is much better: it provides relevant information at-a-glance without necessarily having to read through the whole paragraph, and it removes the question of language and syntax. Organizationally it also looks much better. We can go ahead and make these changes if everyone agrees to it, no sense in repeatedly reverting edits if someone disagrees. 1 2 -- Watemon ( talk) 21:19, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
1st suggestion
Zolf J. Kimblee
1st suggestion (revised)
Zolf J. Kimblee
I split this up, the section was getting too big, and Martel is too important of a dramatic character to clump in with the other ones like that. Tyciol ( talk) 00:07, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
It's becoming a trend for editors to add references to events in the 2nd series that have yet to happen (i.e. Shou Tucker being killed by Scar before the episode had aired, or most recently General Armstrong's appearance).
Yes, the 2nd anime will more closely follow the manga (more particularly the later volumes after Maes Hughes' death), HOWEVER, just because it is likely that we'll see (currently) manga exclusive characters in the 2nd anime series or know how certain events may very well play out, doesn't mean we can say that characters appear in or events were depicted in the 2nd series before any of those episodes have aired. Please refrain from referencing the 2nd series if the 2nd series hasn't actually yet depicted what is being referenced.
Also, if everyone else could keep an eye out for these references as they occur.
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Watemon (
talk) 16:22, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
I agree. Until some event happen in the 2nd anime, it shouldnt be mentioned. Tintor2 ( talk) 16:26, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
I trust Hime221984 ( talk · contribs) when he added that the Anime Profile book refers as female. However, the Hohenheim (Fullmetal Alchemist) and Dante (Fullmetal Alchemist) articles refer to Envy (in the first series) as a son. However, I'm confused: it's the anime profile book that refers to Envy she. ~ Itzjustdrama ? C 22:51, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
Now I don't personally own a copy of the profile books, but I would suggest that if there is any sort of discrepancy between the profile book and the anime, that we go with the anime. Within the plot itself, we know that Envy's TRUE form was created from the SON of Hohenheim and Dante (again, per the anime). If whoever was writing the profile books overlooked this plot detail because they were in some way unfamiliar with the story in its entirety, than it would be a darn shame to have the wikipedia article be incorrect as well.
Within prose, I say refer to Envy as HE because we know this to be fact within the plot line, otherwise, I think it is worth noting the ambiguity behind his gender, and even noting that the profile books list Envy as such (if someone could verify this).
Watemon (
talk) 07:11, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
About this, is it really fair to call this character 'minor'? She's the focus of several episodes as a companion, and reveals critical information. In the very least these characters need their own bullets. I didn't make the article notably bigger, just more distinctive. Even if you don't want them to have sections (this is very valuable for redirecting their unique names eh? In the very least they should have their own bullets. Right now they're all lumped together in a huge 'chimeras' paragraph which is not easily legible. I can understand combining Bido/Dorchet/Loa because there's not much written, but a lot's written about her, how about at least a bullet? Hers is one of the more brutal scenes, easily comparable to Hughes in impact of demonstrating the homunculi's attitude. Tyciol ( talk) 00:22, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
So remind me again why Father, Dante, Hohenheim, and Winry all have pages? Hohenheim and Father are very unimportant (Non existant in Father's case) in the anime, while Dante is non existant in the manga. We know next to nothing about Father or Hohenheim due to them having been explored so little, which makes me question how you even managed to make full pages for them in the first place. Winry. . .Has no relevance whatsoever to the plot and is quickly overshadowed by other characters, quite honestly. The characters I'd propose get articles are Envy and King Bradley for their important status in both the anime and manga. They're more recurring and are much more defined then Dante/Father anyway. Father's case may change as we finally get to his fight in the manga, but at the present I don't see the logic behind it.
I agree entirely with the above poster. Hohenheim and Winry are both very minor characters in comparison to the likes of Envy who is, quite probably, the main antagonist of the entire anime series and a major character in the anime. Bradley is another case of this, being a very large character plotwise in both the anime an the manga. As the above poster also mentioned, Father is not at all relevant to the anime series whereas Dante isn't relevant to the manga. In my honest opinion, the characters that REQUIRE articles first should be the major players in both the anime and manga series. Either these articles should be removed permenantly (if the users here have no plans of making pages for more notable characters), or at least accompanied by pages for the more plot relevant characters. User:MarthTrinity —Preceding undated comment added 06:19, 22 October 2009 (UTC).
Just pointing out, for the sake of getting it out there... "Sheska"'s name is actually spelled "Sciezka". At least that's how it appears in text in Fullmetal Alchemist: Dual Sympathy, the Nintendo DS game. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xelrog T. Apocalypse ( talk • contribs) 10:10, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
It is a fact that Ling Yao's name is spelt "Ling" and not "Lin", as many people misspell his name due to an error in the English VizMedia translations of the volumes. In Volume 9, Chapter 35: Scapegoat ('The Sacrificial Lamb' in Viz), "Ling Yao W1582" [ILLEGAL LINK REMOVED] is written on his jail bracelet, drawn by Arakawa herself, yet the translation of his name in the speech bubble is "Lin". The official spelling of his name is on the commercial titles of Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood, written in English [ILLEGAL LINK REMOVED], and is also on the official Japanese website ( http://www.hagaren.jp/) under the characters section.
My editing of this was remarked as VANDALISM! I provided plenty of evidence, yet the person who marked my edit as vandalism provided very little against. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ElfenNyu ( talk • contribs) 19:43, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
Okay, next time I'll take a photograph instead. How come you have not removed the official Hagaren site? It goes against what you're saying. And how is Photobucket illegal...? -- ElfenNyu ( talk) 21:47, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
Might i add that there is also a similar inconsistency in this and other related articles about the whole Xerxes/Cselkcess thing.
Isn't the policy to go with the official English spelling. In the FUNimation anime, it is clearly pronounced and spelled "Ling". And seeing how pretty much every other anime on this site goes by the "official" spelling, it's only right that this does the same. Buh6173 ( talk) 07:20, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
Hey Just wanted to say thanks for ruining the ending about Ed I have one episode left to see, GEEZ...have the decency to put a spoiler alert or something at the top. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.140.123.206 ( talk) 22:23, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
I wanted to know if it's alright for me to make a seperate article for Ling Yao, as I've found plenty of reception and he's pretty important in the series. Also, I've noticed that Hoenheima and Father don't have a reception section posted, so I'm going to add some to their articles, if that's alright. Redbird 41 ( talk) 01:13, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
Lin has received both praise and criticism from various publications. Lin consistently places high on the popularity polls. Lin placed 9th on the most recent poll, and Greed/Lin placed 13th on the most recent poll.Cite error: The <ref>
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[1] While initially feeling that his character felt “forced” Chris Beveridge praised the combination of Greed and Ling and says that Greeling continues to be a “fascinating character to watch” and praised his development over the course of the show. Christopher Homer of the same site praised Lin’s jovial and sneaky personality. He went on to note the character’s deception saying, “Once his eyes open, you know you’d better start running.”
[1] He says that Lin becoming the new Greed “brings us a brilliant and fun battle within” praising the struggle between Lin and Greed for control of Lin’s body. Theron Martin of ANN.com praised Lin’s introduction to the series saying that it “expands a setting that was originally relatively limited for as worldly as its story was.”
[1] Chris Beveridge praised the Greedling character saying, “those two are becoming even more intertwined as time goes on” and that it “adds to the intrigue” of the character.
[1] Erin Finnegan of Anime News Network noted that the characters from Xing were “Chinese stereotypes” and pointed out that, “Lin has lines for eyes most of the time”.
[1] Lin Yao has appeared in other Fullmetal Alchemist merchandise including action figures.
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STFX1046190 (
talk) 00:02, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
I think you're a bit confused about how translations work. Arakawa has nothing to do with them, that's Viz's job. As for Ling's name, she does not call it Lin. Translations for names mostly come from eyecatches that are not translated by Viz, FUNimation, or any other English company. The eyecatch names are written in English by the Japanese writers. Therefore they carry much more weight than translations, and are what we use. Fullmetal Fan 22:48, June 9, 2011 (UTC)
STFX1046190 ( talk) 23:33, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
The anime should carry absolutely zero weight when translating something. The only things that count are the manga, databooks, or the mangaka. Gune ( talk) 01:34, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
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He wasn't in either the anime or manga for long, but he did have an impact on the story, like with the raid on Ishbal. We need to add him under the Alchemists section. 66.168.179.100 ( talk) 08:22, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
Greed, for most of the manga and 2003 anime, was definitely against the antagonists (both Dante and Father). So shouldn't he be removed from the antagonist section? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wrath X ( talk • contribs) 14:43, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
Where is Truth? The colorless, enigmatic entity that took Edward's arm and leg, Al's whole body, and did other things vital to the story. He (it?) is a major part of the plot line and needs to be added. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tigerlotus ( talk • contribs) 03:43, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
Unfortunately, while I agree with most of the recent changes, there seems to be some disagreement on the use of the words Ishval or Ishbal. Per WP:MOSANIME, we are using the Viz manga names (as this is the primary work). Viz originally translated Ishbal as Ishval, but later spellings corrected it and this is the one that has been used for most of the articles. Since we are following the original story and second anime, Funimation opted to use the (incorrect, I think) Ishval spelling. So, given that we use the manga names (as with One Piece, etc.), should we use Ishbal (the corrected name) or Ishval? Comments are welcome. Lord Sjones23 ( talk – contributions) 02:55, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
In the manga, there's a map that shows it as "Ishval." It is commonly mistranslated because there is no "v" sound in Japanese, so because it sounded like a "b" that's what it was replaced with, contrary to the "v" in the spelling. This error was fixed for the Brotherhood anime because of this translating mistake, so it is safe to say that Ishaval should probably be the right translation that should be said. Sasrrs ( talk) 01:48, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
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When I watched the show, King Bradley is referred to as the "Fuhrer President" as his role... but this isn't mentioned her on this page. Its mentioned on the FMA wiki - https://fma.fandom.com/wiki/King_Bradley Deathlibrarian ( talk) 08:05, 24 September 2019 (UTC)