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Most people in the list have their own articles where with birht-death dates and other biographical information. As such, a lot of info given in this list is unnecessary and makes for an ugly list to read. Perhaps splitting into seperate sections based on occupation (e.g. politicians, musicians, business people, etc.), leaving just the wikilinks to the bio articles like it is done in many other List of people articles, would be preferable.-- Boffob 19:14, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
This List was proposed for deletion in November 2023, on the basis that there were no criteria for inclusion on the list and it was simply a list of people with English last names who had some marginal connection to Quebec.
After discussion, a consensus developed that the fact that there is a well-documented article on the subject ( English-speaking Quebecers) supported a list of English-speaking Quebecers, but the list needs clear criteria for inclusion, consistent with WP:LISTCRITERIA:
For the discussion, see: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of English-speaking Quebecers
Based on the discussion, I would suggest that there are three criteria for inclusion on the list:
The reason I suggest these criteria is that the category of "English-speaking Quebecers" is a linguistic criteria, not an ethnic one. If a person ceases to live in Quebec, particularly if they moved away from Quebec at a young age, they may no longer qualify as an "English-speaking Quebecer". Even if they are generally notable, they should not be included in this list unless they are notable for their activities while in Quebec.
One other point is that the starting point for inclusion on this list is July 1, 1867, the date the province of Quebec came into existence. To be included in this list, a person needs to have been active in Quebec after that date. (This is not a comment that there were no English or French speaking groups prior to that date, but the adoption of a clear start date for the category, since it is tied to residence in Quebec, not an ethnic affiliation.)
I would welcome thoughts, comments, and suggestions; this is just meant as an initial draft.
Once we have reached a consensus, I would suggest putting the criteria as the lead to the article. It would then be necessary to go through the article and cull individuals who do not meet the criteria, particularly the requirement that they be notable for their activities in Quebec, if they have subsequently left.
Mr Serjeant Buzfuz ( talk) 13:49, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
This list has had a "References needed" tag since 2007. Are references needed for a list of people who already have an article about them? Wouldn't that make the list of people very cumbersome? I'm not suggesting that Wikipedia is itself a reliable source, but couldn't we just put in a note in the lead section that says: "For detailed information on each person in this list, please consult their individual article." Then, the reliable sources that are cited in the individual articles would be the basis for their inclusion on this list. I note, for example, that the List of Premiers of Quebec does not include any cites. Thoughts? Mr Serjeant Buzfuz ( talk) 14:11, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
@ Mr Serjeant Buzfuz and @ Kazamzam, thank you so very much for your contributions here and at the AfD. This is an important topic but the particulars are hard to pin down. You all are doing good work sorting through this. -- A. B. ( talk • contribs • global count) 21:28, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
I'm working my way through the list, and have deleted several individuals that were born in Quebec but left and are notable for elsewhere. I'll put individuals here that might be judgment calls. Thoughts?
Mr Serjeant Buzfuz ( talk) 23:26, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
This article was nominated for deletion on 28 November 2023. The result of the discussion was no consensus. |
This page was proposed for deletion by Kazamzam ( talk · contribs) on 24 November 2023. |
This article is written in Canadian English, which has its own spelling conventions (colour, centre, travelled, realize, analyze) and some terms that are used in it may be different or absent from other varieties of English. According to the relevant style guide, this should not be changed without broad consensus. |
This article must adhere to the biographies of living persons (BLP) policy, even if it is not a biography, because it contains material about living persons. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially libellous. If such material is repeatedly inserted, or if you have other concerns, please report the issue to this noticeboard.If you are a subject of this article, or acting on behalf of one, and you need help, please see this help page. |
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Most people in the list have their own articles where with birht-death dates and other biographical information. As such, a lot of info given in this list is unnecessary and makes for an ugly list to read. Perhaps splitting into seperate sections based on occupation (e.g. politicians, musicians, business people, etc.), leaving just the wikilinks to the bio articles like it is done in many other List of people articles, would be preferable.-- Boffob 19:14, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
This List was proposed for deletion in November 2023, on the basis that there were no criteria for inclusion on the list and it was simply a list of people with English last names who had some marginal connection to Quebec.
After discussion, a consensus developed that the fact that there is a well-documented article on the subject ( English-speaking Quebecers) supported a list of English-speaking Quebecers, but the list needs clear criteria for inclusion, consistent with WP:LISTCRITERIA:
For the discussion, see: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of English-speaking Quebecers
Based on the discussion, I would suggest that there are three criteria for inclusion on the list:
The reason I suggest these criteria is that the category of "English-speaking Quebecers" is a linguistic criteria, not an ethnic one. If a person ceases to live in Quebec, particularly if they moved away from Quebec at a young age, they may no longer qualify as an "English-speaking Quebecer". Even if they are generally notable, they should not be included in this list unless they are notable for their activities while in Quebec.
One other point is that the starting point for inclusion on this list is July 1, 1867, the date the province of Quebec came into existence. To be included in this list, a person needs to have been active in Quebec after that date. (This is not a comment that there were no English or French speaking groups prior to that date, but the adoption of a clear start date for the category, since it is tied to residence in Quebec, not an ethnic affiliation.)
I would welcome thoughts, comments, and suggestions; this is just meant as an initial draft.
Once we have reached a consensus, I would suggest putting the criteria as the lead to the article. It would then be necessary to go through the article and cull individuals who do not meet the criteria, particularly the requirement that they be notable for their activities in Quebec, if they have subsequently left.
Mr Serjeant Buzfuz ( talk) 13:49, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
This list has had a "References needed" tag since 2007. Are references needed for a list of people who already have an article about them? Wouldn't that make the list of people very cumbersome? I'm not suggesting that Wikipedia is itself a reliable source, but couldn't we just put in a note in the lead section that says: "For detailed information on each person in this list, please consult their individual article." Then, the reliable sources that are cited in the individual articles would be the basis for their inclusion on this list. I note, for example, that the List of Premiers of Quebec does not include any cites. Thoughts? Mr Serjeant Buzfuz ( talk) 14:11, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
@ Mr Serjeant Buzfuz and @ Kazamzam, thank you so very much for your contributions here and at the AfD. This is an important topic but the particulars are hard to pin down. You all are doing good work sorting through this. -- A. B. ( talk • contribs • global count) 21:28, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
I'm working my way through the list, and have deleted several individuals that were born in Quebec but left and are notable for elsewhere. I'll put individuals here that might be judgment calls. Thoughts?
Mr Serjeant Buzfuz ( talk) 23:26, 30 November 2023 (UTC)