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Aren't the Tleilaxu Zensufi?
- I think they were. The Tleilaxu article also says so. -- maru (talk) contribs 03:35, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
The addition of "fictional" here:
- Zensunni in Frank Herbert's Dune universe is a fictional syncretic religious belief that is an apparent hybrid of principles of Zen Buddhism and Sunni Islam.
is completely unnecessary as the preceding words "in Frank Herbert's Dune universe" already indicate (to anyone able to read English) that the article is discussing something fictional. The quote from the glossary of the novel Dune emphasizes this.
An argument could be made for adding "apparent", since the development of the religion is not described in the novels and there is no explicit use of the word "hybrid"...but again, it seems redundant and necessary only for the reading impaired. The Dune novels repeatedly mention "Buddislamic traditions". Since neither Zensunni or Buddislamic religions exist at present, it only stands to reason that these future religions are hybrids/syncretisms. -- SandChigger 01:48, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
- I think it should be retained. Consider an ignorant reader. They may never have heard of Herbert or Dune to know it is a work of fiction in the first place; nor is everything in a fictional universe fiction. -- Gwern (contribs) 23:01 28 July 2007 (GMT)
- Agreed, retain. In an encyclopedia you've really gotta emphasize the fictionality of fictional things. Wiki is already a bit too obsessed with science fiction universes anyway. I almost think articles about fake things out to have a special tag... jackbrown —Preceding comment was added at 08:37, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
Article should probably be merged with Religions (Dune)... AnonMoos 13:30, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
- OK, I was BOLD and moved Zensunni to Religions of Dune to preserve the more extensive edit history, then merged Religions (Dune) (which was mostly my edits) into it. At this point there was no need for two separate short "articles." — TAnthony Talk 06:20, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
Was this a hybrid of Zen + Sunni + (Christian) Catholicism OR does it instead mean a universalist (catholic) hybrid of all Zensunnis? -- SandChigger ( talk) 08:03, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
I belive it refers to the term catholic(lower c) which is used to denote a universal scope/universal doctrine.
The Roman Church is of course most famous user of the mohniker, but even after the east-west split in both branches of the church refered to themselves as being catholic.
Though the term is mainly used towards Christian faith today, its not hard to envision it to be used/borrowed in a more common vocabulary to describe any faith and doctrines which claims an universal sphere of some sort. 213.161.247.226 ( talk) 11:11, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
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Aren't the Tleilaxu Zensufi?
- I think they were. The Tleilaxu article also says so. -- maru (talk) contribs 03:35, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
The addition of "fictional" here:
- Zensunni in Frank Herbert's Dune universe is a fictional syncretic religious belief that is an apparent hybrid of principles of Zen Buddhism and Sunni Islam.
is completely unnecessary as the preceding words "in Frank Herbert's Dune universe" already indicate (to anyone able to read English) that the article is discussing something fictional. The quote from the glossary of the novel Dune emphasizes this.
An argument could be made for adding "apparent", since the development of the religion is not described in the novels and there is no explicit use of the word "hybrid"...but again, it seems redundant and necessary only for the reading impaired. The Dune novels repeatedly mention "Buddislamic traditions". Since neither Zensunni or Buddislamic religions exist at present, it only stands to reason that these future religions are hybrids/syncretisms. -- SandChigger 01:48, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
- I think it should be retained. Consider an ignorant reader. They may never have heard of Herbert or Dune to know it is a work of fiction in the first place; nor is everything in a fictional universe fiction. -- Gwern (contribs) 23:01 28 July 2007 (GMT)
- Agreed, retain. In an encyclopedia you've really gotta emphasize the fictionality of fictional things. Wiki is already a bit too obsessed with science fiction universes anyway. I almost think articles about fake things out to have a special tag... jackbrown —Preceding comment was added at 08:37, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
Article should probably be merged with Religions (Dune)... AnonMoos 13:30, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
- OK, I was BOLD and moved Zensunni to Religions of Dune to preserve the more extensive edit history, then merged Religions (Dune) (which was mostly my edits) into it. At this point there was no need for two separate short "articles." — TAnthony Talk 06:20, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
Was this a hybrid of Zen + Sunni + (Christian) Catholicism OR does it instead mean a universalist (catholic) hybrid of all Zensunnis? -- SandChigger ( talk) 08:03, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
I belive it refers to the term catholic(lower c) which is used to denote a universal scope/universal doctrine.
The Roman Church is of course most famous user of the mohniker, but even after the east-west split in both branches of the church refered to themselves as being catholic.
Though the term is mainly used towards Christian faith today, its not hard to envision it to be used/borrowed in a more common vocabulary to describe any faith and doctrines which claims an universal sphere of some sort. 213.161.247.226 ( talk) 11:11, 8 December 2017 (UTC)