It might be better to provide some structure to this list. At the moment it contains only about 10% of the current dioceses in the Catholic Church.
While the title of this list is "Roman Catholic dioceses" the individual items on the list are almost always "Bishops of ...". But then the page it links to is about the diocese (which may or may not also contain a list of its past bishops). Why the inconsistancy? User:Dcheney
I've just added a source link that allows a well-structured approach by recent data; however, given the vats number of dioceses, it might be a good idea to consider splitting up at least in sections, perhaps even over several pages. It may be more usefull to have e.g; a separate list of archdioceses, one of sugrahans.. so they can be attached to the correspnding articles. Such lusts are also avialble (and regualarly updated) on the same website.
As for coverage of data to actually refer to, I'm doing my bit, obviously slowly, to ceate sections for data from the Catholic Encyclopaedia (for which a project exists, by the way, but I always work independently), which are great except for the last century, so a later round should updtae, again making good use of GigaCatholic. Fastifex 08:21, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
I'm skeptical that this page is worth keeping in its present form - at the very least, there should be some sort of hierarchical organization, probably by country. But then we'd be duplicating the work of Catholic-Hierarchy.org. Argyriou 06:54, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
The lists should read:
Denmark
Diocese of Copenhagen
Great Britain
Archdiocese of Westminster Diocese of East Anglia etc etc
France
etc
The bishop relates to a person not a territorial jurisdiction
As those who have read the above comments will know, there is currently a confusing array of different ways articles relating to dioceses of both the Catholic Church and other Churches are named on Wikipedia. In an effort to introduce some clear guidelines to reduce the confusion, I would like to propose the following:
I intend to add soon more concrete examples of how this set of guidelines might apply in specific instances, and propose a specific guideline for Australia. Thylacoleo 05:44, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
I second all the above suggestions, it seems like you wrote exactly what I had in mind all the time. In which cases a separate "List of bishops" article is better than the list in the diocese article is of course a matter of personal taste. E.g. the Bishopric of Aachen could IMHO stay as a separate article (but moved to List of Bishops of Aachen), as the list is rather long with all the details in the "notes" column, as well as the auxiliary bishops. But normally a list of 10 bishops would fit easily into the diocese article. Just a minor question: what to do with the prefectures/vicariates - should the be named "Apostolic Vicariate of..", or "Vicariate Apostolic of ..." or just "Vicariate of ...". For those in Cambodia I chose the first, for Laos the second - seems like I wasn't inconsistant with myself. andy 11:21, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
The above proposal sounds quite workable although I also agree with the above suggestion that for older dioceses a separate "List of Bishops..." may be appropriate as the list can be rather substantial in length.-- Dcheney 02:58, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
Okay, I THINK I counted right when I too reached 488 entries here. Is the total number important enough that people should update this count as entries go up? Perhaps a little "Upon adding entries to this list, please update the count" or something? I'm just not bold enough! 81.93.102.185 17:24, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
I've begun to rename Bishopric of X articles to Diocese of X, and have immediately run into difficulties with the European Prince-Bishoprics. What I suggest to do is dissociate these historical political entities from the present-day dioceses and split the articles. EG: the current article Bishopric of Liège deals mostly with the historical political entity (the Prince-Bishopric Liège)in what is now Belgium. What seems to me to be the best option is rename the article Prince-Bishopric of Liège and put the post-1802 diocese in a separate article Diocese of Liège -- Isolani 14:58, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
For a while, the text at the top said that archdioceses were not included on this list. However, there were a number of archdioceses on the list. Since an archdiocese is not the same as an ecclesiastical province, I've decided to include archdioceses here, but to highlight them in bold. I'll be adding in a few more archdioceses, including a few I had removed, over the next few days. User:Argyriou (talk) 21:16, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Well why not have two lists, one with an alphabetical listing of each diocese, and another with a structural listing.
The list would be
Roman Catholic church, Supreme Pontiff of Rome
.A Cardinal A
..I Ecclesial province I under Cardinal A
...a Archdiocese of EP I
....1 diocese of EP I Benkenobi18 22:16, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
well, for one thing, that type of structure doesn't exist. Each province does not have its own Cardinal, and not all Cardinals are Metropolitans of a province. The various relationships between the members of the hierarchy can be very complicated, as can be seen at Catholic Church hierarchy. Secondly, not all dioceses are located in provinces. Third, there are thousands of particular Churches, so the proposed structured list would be very long. Finally, such a list already exists, in the form of the Annuario Pontificio. Wikipedia is not the Vatican Printing Office. Gentgeen 22:27, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
I would like some comments on how to include other denominations. For example, some Byzantine, Syro-Malabar, and Marionite diocese are listed. What about Romanian and Armenian (as well as other) dioceses? Npeters22 ( talk) 15:53, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
As this list includes Eastern Catholic dioceses which are not "Roman," the article should be renamed Catholic dioceses (alphabetical) to agree with the main article, Catholic Church. -- EastmeetsWest ( talk) 21:52, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
Evenso, according to WP, the Catholic Church is the name of the entire Church. As this list refers to the entire church, it ought to be called List of Catholic dioceses. Perhaps it could be called List of Catholic dioceses and eparchies. Even if it were only Latin Rite dioceses, then it should say List of Latin Rite dioceses, as that is more accurate and less confusing than "Roman Catholic" which carries so much freight and is understood in various ways to mean either the entire church or just a part of it. Either way, this list article needs to be moved.-- EastmeetsWest ( talk) 17:11, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
I have just created Roman Catholic Diocese of Balecium. I am not sure if it should be added to this list, since it is titular seat but I guess users who are more acquainted with this matters will probably know. All the best.-- Antidiskriminator ( talk) 16:46, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
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It might be better to provide some structure to this list. At the moment it contains only about 10% of the current dioceses in the Catholic Church.
While the title of this list is "Roman Catholic dioceses" the individual items on the list are almost always "Bishops of ...". But then the page it links to is about the diocese (which may or may not also contain a list of its past bishops). Why the inconsistancy? User:Dcheney
I've just added a source link that allows a well-structured approach by recent data; however, given the vats number of dioceses, it might be a good idea to consider splitting up at least in sections, perhaps even over several pages. It may be more usefull to have e.g; a separate list of archdioceses, one of sugrahans.. so they can be attached to the correspnding articles. Such lusts are also avialble (and regualarly updated) on the same website.
As for coverage of data to actually refer to, I'm doing my bit, obviously slowly, to ceate sections for data from the Catholic Encyclopaedia (for which a project exists, by the way, but I always work independently), which are great except for the last century, so a later round should updtae, again making good use of GigaCatholic. Fastifex 08:21, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
I'm skeptical that this page is worth keeping in its present form - at the very least, there should be some sort of hierarchical organization, probably by country. But then we'd be duplicating the work of Catholic-Hierarchy.org. Argyriou 06:54, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
The lists should read:
Denmark
Diocese of Copenhagen
Great Britain
Archdiocese of Westminster Diocese of East Anglia etc etc
France
etc
The bishop relates to a person not a territorial jurisdiction
As those who have read the above comments will know, there is currently a confusing array of different ways articles relating to dioceses of both the Catholic Church and other Churches are named on Wikipedia. In an effort to introduce some clear guidelines to reduce the confusion, I would like to propose the following:
I intend to add soon more concrete examples of how this set of guidelines might apply in specific instances, and propose a specific guideline for Australia. Thylacoleo 05:44, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
I second all the above suggestions, it seems like you wrote exactly what I had in mind all the time. In which cases a separate "List of bishops" article is better than the list in the diocese article is of course a matter of personal taste. E.g. the Bishopric of Aachen could IMHO stay as a separate article (but moved to List of Bishops of Aachen), as the list is rather long with all the details in the "notes" column, as well as the auxiliary bishops. But normally a list of 10 bishops would fit easily into the diocese article. Just a minor question: what to do with the prefectures/vicariates - should the be named "Apostolic Vicariate of..", or "Vicariate Apostolic of ..." or just "Vicariate of ...". For those in Cambodia I chose the first, for Laos the second - seems like I wasn't inconsistant with myself. andy 11:21, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
The above proposal sounds quite workable although I also agree with the above suggestion that for older dioceses a separate "List of Bishops..." may be appropriate as the list can be rather substantial in length.-- Dcheney 02:58, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
Okay, I THINK I counted right when I too reached 488 entries here. Is the total number important enough that people should update this count as entries go up? Perhaps a little "Upon adding entries to this list, please update the count" or something? I'm just not bold enough! 81.93.102.185 17:24, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
I've begun to rename Bishopric of X articles to Diocese of X, and have immediately run into difficulties with the European Prince-Bishoprics. What I suggest to do is dissociate these historical political entities from the present-day dioceses and split the articles. EG: the current article Bishopric of Liège deals mostly with the historical political entity (the Prince-Bishopric Liège)in what is now Belgium. What seems to me to be the best option is rename the article Prince-Bishopric of Liège and put the post-1802 diocese in a separate article Diocese of Liège -- Isolani 14:58, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
For a while, the text at the top said that archdioceses were not included on this list. However, there were a number of archdioceses on the list. Since an archdiocese is not the same as an ecclesiastical province, I've decided to include archdioceses here, but to highlight them in bold. I'll be adding in a few more archdioceses, including a few I had removed, over the next few days. User:Argyriou (talk) 21:16, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Well why not have two lists, one with an alphabetical listing of each diocese, and another with a structural listing.
The list would be
Roman Catholic church, Supreme Pontiff of Rome
.A Cardinal A
..I Ecclesial province I under Cardinal A
...a Archdiocese of EP I
....1 diocese of EP I Benkenobi18 22:16, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
well, for one thing, that type of structure doesn't exist. Each province does not have its own Cardinal, and not all Cardinals are Metropolitans of a province. The various relationships between the members of the hierarchy can be very complicated, as can be seen at Catholic Church hierarchy. Secondly, not all dioceses are located in provinces. Third, there are thousands of particular Churches, so the proposed structured list would be very long. Finally, such a list already exists, in the form of the Annuario Pontificio. Wikipedia is not the Vatican Printing Office. Gentgeen 22:27, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
I would like some comments on how to include other denominations. For example, some Byzantine, Syro-Malabar, and Marionite diocese are listed. What about Romanian and Armenian (as well as other) dioceses? Npeters22 ( talk) 15:53, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
As this list includes Eastern Catholic dioceses which are not "Roman," the article should be renamed Catholic dioceses (alphabetical) to agree with the main article, Catholic Church. -- EastmeetsWest ( talk) 21:52, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
Evenso, according to WP, the Catholic Church is the name of the entire Church. As this list refers to the entire church, it ought to be called List of Catholic dioceses. Perhaps it could be called List of Catholic dioceses and eparchies. Even if it were only Latin Rite dioceses, then it should say List of Latin Rite dioceses, as that is more accurate and less confusing than "Roman Catholic" which carries so much freight and is understood in various ways to mean either the entire church or just a part of it. Either way, this list article needs to be moved.-- EastmeetsWest ( talk) 17:11, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
I have just created Roman Catholic Diocese of Balecium. I am not sure if it should be added to this list, since it is titular seat but I guess users who are more acquainted with this matters will probably know. All the best.-- Antidiskriminator ( talk) 16:46, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
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