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What a truly stupid thing to do. I came to this page and wondered why there was only one name on it!!! Talk about licenced vandalism! --
MacRusgail (
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19:19, 19 October 2012 (UTC)reply
It's bureaucratic stupidity, and you should know better. Licenced vandalism. You've rendered this article completely useless, and can't be bothered looking for sources. Completely counterproductive. Hiding behind "policy". What a joke! --
MacRusgail (
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14:51, 22 October 2012 (UTC)reply
BLP policy requires that statements regarding ethnicity be sourced. How difficult is that to understand? If you disagree with policy, propose that it be changed - or find the sources yourself.
AndyTheGrump (
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14:57, 22 October 2012 (UTC)reply
Quoting bureaucratic rules at me doesn't alter the fact that you have completely wrecked this article. What good have you actually achieved here? None whatsoever.
I come on to a page about one of the largest minorities in the UK, and only one person is actually listed on it!
"If you disagree with policy, propose that it be changed - or find the sources yourself." - Yes, if only it were that easy. I don't have weeks to try and find out where you've hidden these debates on Wikipedia (and they're continually moved/altered anyway), let alone the time to engage in continual debates. Needless to say, some people do, and it's not exactly helping Wikipedia. I'm interested in improving content, not some form of legalistic obscurantism.--
MacRusgail (
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15:11, 22 October 2012 (UTC)reply
What 'informative value' can an entirely unsourced list have? The simple fact is that every unsourced list of this type that I've looked into has turned out to have multiple incorrect entries.
AndyTheGrump (
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17:26, 23 October 2012 (UTC)reply
Andy, if you aren't willing to do anything to fix it, don't remove everything. Its a lot better if you have a comprehensive list with a bunch of [citation needed] signs than a "list" composed entirely of one name. It is also something to consider that the linked pages probably mention that they are British-Indian (yes I understand that is technically not valid, but it works better than removing most of the names for the sake of policy). If other articles can have [citation needed] why can't this one? If you are going to look into something follow through, don't just remove everything worthwhile on it other than one name.--
Ollyoxenfree (
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06:55, 12 January 2013 (UTC)reply
What part of 'WP:BLP policy is policy' is so hard to understand? And please don't use the
WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS 'argument' here. As for "the linked pages probably mention that they are British-Indian", from experience of similar unsourced lists, I can assure you that it is very common that they don't - and it is still a violation of policy if they do. If the list matters to you, find the sources, and add individuals to the list when you have them, as policy dictates.
AndyTheGrump (
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17:51, 12 January 2013 (UTC)reply
You are the one that wants to remove everything, you should be taking a more active beneficial role. Improve the article, don't ruin it by removing everything. Find the sources you need and add them. Why do you care enough to remove the informative value of the article but don't care enough to improve the total quality of the article?--
Ollyoxenfree (
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00:37, 28 January 2013 (UTC)reply
There is no benefit in what he did at all, apart from giving himself a warm glow about his Aspergian understanding of rule enforcement.--
MacRùsgail (
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12:40, 24 April 2013 (UTC)reply
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What a truly stupid thing to do. I came to this page and wondered why there was only one name on it!!! Talk about licenced vandalism! --
MacRusgail (
talk)
19:19, 19 October 2012 (UTC)reply
It's bureaucratic stupidity, and you should know better. Licenced vandalism. You've rendered this article completely useless, and can't be bothered looking for sources. Completely counterproductive. Hiding behind "policy". What a joke! --
MacRusgail (
talk)
14:51, 22 October 2012 (UTC)reply
BLP policy requires that statements regarding ethnicity be sourced. How difficult is that to understand? If you disagree with policy, propose that it be changed - or find the sources yourself.
AndyTheGrump (
talk)
14:57, 22 October 2012 (UTC)reply
Quoting bureaucratic rules at me doesn't alter the fact that you have completely wrecked this article. What good have you actually achieved here? None whatsoever.
I come on to a page about one of the largest minorities in the UK, and only one person is actually listed on it!
"If you disagree with policy, propose that it be changed - or find the sources yourself." - Yes, if only it were that easy. I don't have weeks to try and find out where you've hidden these debates on Wikipedia (and they're continually moved/altered anyway), let alone the time to engage in continual debates. Needless to say, some people do, and it's not exactly helping Wikipedia. I'm interested in improving content, not some form of legalistic obscurantism.--
MacRusgail (
talk)
15:11, 22 October 2012 (UTC)reply
What 'informative value' can an entirely unsourced list have? The simple fact is that every unsourced list of this type that I've looked into has turned out to have multiple incorrect entries.
AndyTheGrump (
talk)
17:26, 23 October 2012 (UTC)reply
Andy, if you aren't willing to do anything to fix it, don't remove everything. Its a lot better if you have a comprehensive list with a bunch of [citation needed] signs than a "list" composed entirely of one name. It is also something to consider that the linked pages probably mention that they are British-Indian (yes I understand that is technically not valid, but it works better than removing most of the names for the sake of policy). If other articles can have [citation needed] why can't this one? If you are going to look into something follow through, don't just remove everything worthwhile on it other than one name.--
Ollyoxenfree (
talk)
06:55, 12 January 2013 (UTC)reply
What part of 'WP:BLP policy is policy' is so hard to understand? And please don't use the
WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS 'argument' here. As for "the linked pages probably mention that they are British-Indian", from experience of similar unsourced lists, I can assure you that it is very common that they don't - and it is still a violation of policy if they do. If the list matters to you, find the sources, and add individuals to the list when you have them, as policy dictates.
AndyTheGrump (
talk)
17:51, 12 January 2013 (UTC)reply
You are the one that wants to remove everything, you should be taking a more active beneficial role. Improve the article, don't ruin it by removing everything. Find the sources you need and add them. Why do you care enough to remove the informative value of the article but don't care enough to improve the total quality of the article?--
Ollyoxenfree (
talk)
00:37, 28 January 2013 (UTC)reply
There is no benefit in what he did at all, apart from giving himself a warm glow about his Aspergian understanding of rule enforcement.--
MacRùsgail (
talk)
12:40, 24 April 2013 (UTC)reply