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Who is he? Is there a source proving that this is indeed the name of the 3rd seat in the 5th division? If so, please post it here. Thanks, Ynhockey ( Talk) 19:10, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
I did a google search, apparently this is a roleplaying character from a bleach Forum RP site. There is no such person. 75.2.152.77 19:34, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
Sometime since the last time I checked out the article, someone removed all information regarding the Squads including any information about characters that don't have their own page.
I've added Headers for the SQUADS so at least users can quickly find the information they are looking for but someone should tie up the ends related how and why the minor characters have no information anymore. Either they need their own articles at this point or something within the article. -- Knighthammer 17:00, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
I blame how long they've been on Wiki, but there but the Free Use rational is all outdated and they've been tagged. While I type this, I've rationaled Ichigo, Inoue, Chad, Ishida, Tatsuki, Keigo, and Squads 1 to 3, and could use some help here. EDIT: Anybody? Anybody at all? TheUltimate3 11:18, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
About a month ago, when someone decided to remove the Shinigami Division Headers, it seems a lot more information disappeared with that removal.
We have a great number of sections now that mention characters with no page dedicated to that character and no information about the character(s).
Further more, many characters have enough information about them to warrant a page dedicated to them, especially since character backgrounds are starting to grow.
I have a four part proposal for this.
I'm certainly willing to do the leg work for most of this, but I don't need people flipping out fighting for edit layouts like what happened when I tried to fix the headers for the Divisions last time.-- Knighthammer 21:02, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Is simply a list of characters already present on this page. I believe it should be redirected here or to Karakura Town, but I'll open this discussion for courtesy's sake. Sephiroth BCR ( Converse) 02:01, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
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Yes. Someone has made an Ashido article. I'm not sure exactly how to go through the motions of nominating it for deletion. He's a minor, anime-filler character who probably won't last past the next 2 or 3 episodes. C'mon, we don't even have an article for Nel Tu, but we have one for Ashido now? Cot ton 16:57, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
I've made the first round of merge suggestions to get all of the Bleach character lists combined into a single list. I've seen the above discussions, and the only reason this list is so long is because it seems to contain just about every character that ever even sort of appeared in the show. Wikipedia is not a series guide and every character should NOT be included in any of these lists, just the major, significant, and notable characters should be listed (see WP:FICT, WP:N, WP:V, Anime MOS, and TV MOS). All of the individual character articles also need to be merged into the list. They fail WP:N and few, if any, would survive an AfD (as has already been seen in many recent character and episode article deletions). Fancruft and massive character articles are not appropriate on Wikipedia. Such detailed articles would be more appropriate in a Bleach wiki, one of the many anime wikis out there, or a Bleach fan site. AnmaFinotera 11:38, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
So is the consensus not to merge the Shinigami list because that's what it looks like to me and if that is the case then maybe fix the merge template?? Sasuke9031 ( talk) 09:49, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
So here's a question...why does Kon seem to rate as a race equal to Hallows, Qunicy, Bounts, ect. according to the little Bleach table available at the bottom of some pages? 72.192.206.80 ( talk) 09:21, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
It's been awhile since anyone posted about the merge. If I am reading correctly, Kon's article had a consensus for merge, while the rest I'm not sure. To give a better idea of consensus, please post below with an oppose/support style comment for each article suggested on an individual basis, along with your comments on why you support/oppose. Here, again, are a list of the articles currently suggested for merging:
AnmaFinotera ( talk) 04:47, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
Comment If I knew how to merge, I'd go ahead and merge Kon, since that's where consensus is heading. Since I don't, if someone could merge him and tell me how to merge on my talk page. Sasuke9031 ( talk) 06:26, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
Consensus - as it seems consensus is with keeping Bleach shinigami separate, I've gone ahead and removed that one from the merge list. I have started a discussion on that list about the idea of renaming it and expanding it to cover all of the Soul Society. AnmaFinotera ( talk) 12:42, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
I think in a discussion a few weeks ago someone declared that they unilaterally deleted some extremely minor characters, like Mrs. Shinmura and the 3 kids whom Ichigo beat up in the first chapter. While I can understand the reasoning of the user, this is simply unencyclopedic behavior and against the purpose of Wikipedia, which aims to bring comprehensive coverage of its topics. Every series on Wikipedia has a list of minor characters, and in many series they're specially called List of minor characters in Series. If someone is of the opinion that such characters would clutter this page, I propose making a list of minor characters in Bleach, each one with no more than 1-2 lines of text. Examples are the two above, as well as Hiyosu and Akon, Raku the cat, the little girl whom Kon and Matsumoto saved from a hollow, etc. Otherwise, I think the user who made this deletion should repair their damage because it would take much longer for anyone else to do this as they might not know when the edit took place and what exactly was removed.
Again, I do not support providing an in-depth background about every single character, no matter how minor, but they should at least be listed, possibly even without descriptions.
-- Ynhockey ( Talk) 18:40, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
I have to agree with AnmaFinotera on this. The three kids Ichigo beat up in the beginning are just not notable enough to even warrant a section. You can't have every single victim, or monster, or character to be noted down. Such things exist for the wikia. I see List of minor Sailor Moon characters do not have extremly minor characters, like the boy who resembles Shinnosuke from Crayon Shin-chan or the artist who was speculated to be gay. It has characters which appear in a special segment, or recurrs quite a number of times.
A topic is presumed to be notable if it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject.
Currently half of our articles in the Bleach series do not have real world information or reliable sources independent of the subject and not to mention is written in a in universe style. Unless such things could be found, we fail WP:FICT - Editors must prove, preferably in the article itself, that there is an availability of sources providing real-world information by: providing hyperlinks to such sources; outlining a rewrite, expansion, or merge plan; and/or gaining the consensus of established editors. Although WP:FICT is currently disputed, the fact remains clear that we cannot list the extremely minor characters unless they have some sort of real world information or is important to the series.-- Hana ichi 11:23, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
I was watching Bleach on the Internet, when I heard Don Kanonji's voice. I know it's the same one that was used in Bo-Bo Bo, so I think the name is wrong. Can anyone tell me if I'm right or not? Neo Guyver ( talk) 20:12, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
Yesterday I added some info on the popularity pools. Most character articles include notes on their popularity (which I don't think age too well, incidentally, since they use wording such as "the most recent character popularity pool"), and IMNSHO it only makes sense to at least mention the matter here. The Manga itself has at least clear references to those pools, and they are becoming even more proeminent as of late. Despite that, the section was removed very soon. I think it should stay, and welcome suggestions for alternatives. Luis Dantas ( talk) 18:51, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
I think people are going off to the wrong direction. Editting should be done to improve readability and accuracy. We should not shorten an article solely for the sake of shortening it if the article is already readable to common folks. Also, this is not a courtroom and we're not lawyers. Use the wikipedia as guidelines in how to improve the article not to use it to fight. Discussion about plot summary should take place in the discussion page of plot summary not character page and vise versa. Bleach is a world with a lot of depth and characters, so i don't think it is weird that it would spawn so many long articles (look at star wars articles or articles on shakespearean plays, no one is complaining about those). I recommend everyone to try to add tags and move things around to organize things but avoid outright deletions to the best of your ability, then everyone will be happy. Ssh83 ( talk) 21:41, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
With the arbitration case included and the injunction concluded, we are free to continue with the merge options discussed above. Also note that I have started working on Rukia Kuchiki for a GA run, with the model being the recent Naruto GAs ( Sasuke Uchiha, Sakura Haruno, Kakashi Hatake, also Gaara at WP:GAN). I'll begin adding an "appearances in other media" section to the aforementioned article, but the remaining sections need to be condensed and properly cited using {{ cite book}}. My only quibble is that there's a lack of conception information - is anyone aware of a source of conception information for the Bleach characters? If it's not available, then it's not available, but it would make the process smoother if it did. Sephiroth BCR ( Converse) 06:01, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Why can't these be added to WikiProject? The simple solution is not always the best solution. Not when there is soo much that can be added and improved to each page. It's not like any of these pages a stubs. Neovu79 ( talk) 05:38, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
We're currently looking up out-of-universe info on Zaraki. Once we conclude if he has or hasn't enough out-of-universe info, then he will be merged or kept. For an article with enough out-of-universe info, take a look at the Naruto character articles. Once we bring them up to THAT level, then we can keep the articles. Artist Formerly Known As Whocares ( talk) 14:42, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
I just wanted to say thankyou for all the work people put into this. I watched the anime episodes first and then started reading the manga, and I was so confused when the manga showed Shiba Kukaku with a stump for a left arm, because I remembered her having one in the anime, and I was started to wonder if I was having trouble seeing or if the poses were just weird... 75.2.53.198 ( talk) 02:13, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Can someone please link me to the consensus where Shinigami were going to be called Soul Reapers here? It's cool either way, but it threw me for a loop. Sasuke9031 ( talk) 05:22, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
I know this is a weird request, but I'm lazy, so can someone dig up enough out-of-universe info from reliable sources for the Kisuke Urahara article to pass WP:FICT and WP:N? AnimeNikkaJamal ( talk) 23:06, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
I think there probably needs to be a short two or three-liner about the members of the Shinigami Research Institute on this page (the ones who work with Mayuri and Urahara), mostly since they have appeared a couple times in the series and in the omake (mostly Akon but maybe a couple others too) and as a note to their connection to 12th Squad. - StrangerAtaru ( talk) 00:39, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
Did anyone find out last night who played the voice of Kuroudo? I tried to read the end credits, but it was difficult. 209.247.23.41 ( talk) 18:29, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
On several articles (e.g., list of Bounts in Bleach) a merge with this article has been proposed.
I'd like to say that I've been digging up character reception and other information for the characters and I've found some info for Ishida, Kon, Renji, Byakuya, Aizen & Gin. The sections do need re-writing though...and I'm still looking for out-of-universe information concerning Kisuke, Ukitake & Mayuri. I am trying hard and I really don't want them to be merged. RedEyesMetal ( talk) 18:06, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
See my sandbox. Similar to List of Naruto characters. In sections describing groups, characters get listed in prose similar to Characters of Kingdom Hearts, as putting headers for individual characters when they are being listed in prose feels weird. Discuss. Sephiroth BCR ( Converse) 01:39, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
...Zommari Leroux, the Seventh Espada, is the self-proclaimed fastest Espada, with his movement fast to the point that he form afterimages when he moves. His zanpakutō, Brujería (呪眼僧伽(ブルヘリア), Buruheria, Spanish: " witchcraft," Japanese: " sangha of bewitching eyes"), is released with the command "suppress" (鎮まれ, shizumare), and covers his body with eyes, replacing his legs with a circular structure with eyes on it as well. When he gazes upon something with one of his eyes, he can take control of its movements. The Eighth Espada is Szayel Aporro Granz, the scientist of the Espada, and as a result, he is adept at analyzing his opponent's abilities and nullifying them using his inventions. When released with the command "sip" (啜れ, susure), Szayel's zanpakutō, Fornicarás (邪淫妃(フォルニカラス), Forunikarasu, Spanish: "will fornicate," Japanese: "lewd concubine") grants him a pair of long wing-like structures while covering his lower body with tentacles. In this form, Szayel can utilize a variety of abilities, including making clones of his opponents, creating voodoo dolls of them in order to destroy their internal organs, and impregnating himself into his opponent in order to reproduce himself while tearing his host apart...
Oh, and just to clarify, the following would be merged:
My big sticking point is making sure that the page doesn't get so big, which is why I inserted a {{ main}} template for the Gotei 13 pointing to List of Soul Reapers in Bleach. I'm still iffy on the notability on the lesser members in the "protagonists" section, but oh well. List of hollows in Bleach is a giant collection of one-shot enemies and in-universe summary that needs to go (do we need to cover the hollow Ichigo kills in the first episode and every subsequent one he kills during the first arc?). The Espada can be summarized in the antagonists section (present article has four paragraphs on a twenty chapter character, and we have to have a whole paragraph on appearance for every character?), but how best to organize it (bold headers + span tags to avoid having to use lots of level four headers is my preference, or it can just be solid prose). Onto the rest of the articles, the following simply need to go, as they're AfD bait.
I can see a Bleach universe or Universe of Bleach article having some weight, considering that I think the setting receives some reception, so the above can fit nicely into it. Sephiroth BCR ( Converse) 02:10, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
Why merge the Espada list? The article is fine as it is now and we should really try to preserve the information on there. The article we're looking to create here is enormous as is. 209.83.240.60 ( talk) 17:36, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
I undid the merge on the Quincy article simply because the merge deleted valuable information about Quincy items and abilities. Quincys should have their own article so that they can be explained in depth. I left the merged stuff about the Quincy characters on the List of Characters in Bleach article because it was fine. I dont think the Quincy article should be merged anymore. Lets just focus on increasing the info about Quincy on it okay :) 24.178.106.120 ( talk) 00:27, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
I have redone the merge of the quincy article in a more favorable way, only the character section of the article was merged, the rest of the quincy article remains as-is, no valuable information was lost. 24.178.106.120 ( talk) 00:56, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
The Grimmjow and Ulquiorra merges have gone nowhere since we left off. Sephiroth already ordered we merge them both a long time ago, can I go ahead and do that now? StardustDragon 14:30, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
With the recent cleanup done to the Naruto characters (resulting in two GAs: Sasuke Uchiha and Sakura Haruno, and Kakashi Hatake at WP:GAN), a similar approach can be taken here.
The following in terms of merges should likely take place. For the sake of brevity, I will point to WP:FICT, as several of the editors here are involved in editing the Naruto characters and are familiar with the reasoning. Taken realistically, the grand majority of the present characters do not meet the aforementioned guideline, and should be merged into a list, as they will likely never survive an AfD. Please note that whether these articles are kept or not depends entirely on the degree of reception they get from reliable independent sources. "Importance" to the plot is irrelevant, "future importance" is original research and speculation, and mere popularity (in other words, solely having the Shonen Jump polls) does not guarantee one an article. Anyhow, the following are my recommendations in terms of merging:
Keep:
Fairly straightforward. Note that characters featured relatively early in the plot stand the best chance of acquiring articles, as they are the ones who get reception from English sources, which is where the entirety of our reception information is coming from.
Ambiguous:
Sado is featured early, but slightly less prominently than his peers. Aizen is probably fine, but I'm iffy as well.
Merge:
All either far too minor, featured far too late for any significant English reception, or both.
How they will be merged, or rather what they will be merged into is one of the subjects of this discussion. The character lists also need major cleanup, but I would rather resolve the issue of merging before moving onto that. Anyway, as for the character articles that stay, they would be reformatted practically the same way as the aforementioned Naruto character GAs, and the in-universe information reduced to a manageable amount. Discuss. Sephiroth BCR ( Converse) 03:42, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Just so y'all know, the injunction ceased to be in effect as of a few hours ago, so if you want to further discuss this and/or merge anything, it's OK now. Thanks for sticking it out through the "Month of Hell" and good luck. Sasuke9031 ( talk) 00:34, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
I realise my opinon probbaly doens't matter, but we can't merge Isshin into the List of Current Shingami. If we do that, we spoil an EXTREMELY late chapter where that is revealed. If Isshin is not kept seperate, you will be spoiling his part of the Plot, infact, you might have already spoiled some of it because of that Tag at the top of his page. I also belive that the Espada should get sperate Articles. It might not make much sense, but the Espada, more then any other hollow, deserve their own pictures of Realeses, and I have noticed that most of the joint pages have almost no pictures at all. Not giving the Espada pictures of their release and Zanpaktous, would be the equivalant of not showing the Known Captain's Shikais, or Renji's. They are important characters, even if they recive little page time. —Preceding
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For what it's worth, I've seen Urahara hat replicas for sale as official Bleach merchandise. I dunno if that fits into cultural impacts or whatever, but it's there. StardustDragon 17:43, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
We're no longer working with how much plot-related information we have on the characters. The only reason to justify keeping them is if they have a large number of information on their creation, reception, merchandising, and appearances in other media. Plot stuff, like where they were in this episode or whatnot, doesn't really matter. Only small summaries should be given for those characters (hence with the Naruto character articles). Artist Formerly Known As Whocares ( talk) 20:05, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
Keep Yoruichi, her page is just as long as Kisuke's. If you get merge her's then merge Kisuke. Don't complain to me about how he is a main character. He IS NOT! Just becuase he shows up more than Yoruichi does not make him a main character. Just because he formed the team does not make him a main character! Her created very important things yes but yoruichi did important things as well. Ultimaterasengan ( talk) 23:17, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
there is pelenty of info on her. Ultimaterasengan ( talk) 20:56, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
MERGE Yoruichi as well as many other bleach characters have a main pages that contradicts with WP:FICT,and should not have a page of their own......... Grimmjow E6 ( talk) 05:29, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
How abut not merging Yoruichi, she's been shown doing useful acts in the series and has shown to have a long history with Kisuke, and traveled with the Protaginists during the Soul Socity Arc, as well as revealed the Bount are responsible during the start of the Bount Arc. She also proves to be more useful than more than half of the merged Shinigami. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.162.226.31 ( talk) 15:19, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
I noted that Ririn name is now given as Lirin, because is how "adultswim" gives it (do to my browser I haven't been able to comfirm this). My question is why are we using this as her name when in "Bleach Beat Collection 2nd Session:04" her name is clearly spelled as Ririn? 205.110.157.251 ( talk) 22:27, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
Ok, since when did vizards become visored? Is that even correct? ~ Hyakurei ( talk) 01:24, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
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Who is he? Is there a source proving that this is indeed the name of the 3rd seat in the 5th division? If so, please post it here. Thanks, Ynhockey ( Talk) 19:10, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
I did a google search, apparently this is a roleplaying character from a bleach Forum RP site. There is no such person. 75.2.152.77 19:34, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
Sometime since the last time I checked out the article, someone removed all information regarding the Squads including any information about characters that don't have their own page.
I've added Headers for the SQUADS so at least users can quickly find the information they are looking for but someone should tie up the ends related how and why the minor characters have no information anymore. Either they need their own articles at this point or something within the article. -- Knighthammer 17:00, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
I blame how long they've been on Wiki, but there but the Free Use rational is all outdated and they've been tagged. While I type this, I've rationaled Ichigo, Inoue, Chad, Ishida, Tatsuki, Keigo, and Squads 1 to 3, and could use some help here. EDIT: Anybody? Anybody at all? TheUltimate3 11:18, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
About a month ago, when someone decided to remove the Shinigami Division Headers, it seems a lot more information disappeared with that removal.
We have a great number of sections now that mention characters with no page dedicated to that character and no information about the character(s).
Further more, many characters have enough information about them to warrant a page dedicated to them, especially since character backgrounds are starting to grow.
I have a four part proposal for this.
I'm certainly willing to do the leg work for most of this, but I don't need people flipping out fighting for edit layouts like what happened when I tried to fix the headers for the Divisions last time.-- Knighthammer 21:02, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Is simply a list of characters already present on this page. I believe it should be redirected here or to Karakura Town, but I'll open this discussion for courtesy's sake. Sephiroth BCR ( Converse) 02:01, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
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Yes. Someone has made an Ashido article. I'm not sure exactly how to go through the motions of nominating it for deletion. He's a minor, anime-filler character who probably won't last past the next 2 or 3 episodes. C'mon, we don't even have an article for Nel Tu, but we have one for Ashido now? Cot ton 16:57, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
I've made the first round of merge suggestions to get all of the Bleach character lists combined into a single list. I've seen the above discussions, and the only reason this list is so long is because it seems to contain just about every character that ever even sort of appeared in the show. Wikipedia is not a series guide and every character should NOT be included in any of these lists, just the major, significant, and notable characters should be listed (see WP:FICT, WP:N, WP:V, Anime MOS, and TV MOS). All of the individual character articles also need to be merged into the list. They fail WP:N and few, if any, would survive an AfD (as has already been seen in many recent character and episode article deletions). Fancruft and massive character articles are not appropriate on Wikipedia. Such detailed articles would be more appropriate in a Bleach wiki, one of the many anime wikis out there, or a Bleach fan site. AnmaFinotera 11:38, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
So is the consensus not to merge the Shinigami list because that's what it looks like to me and if that is the case then maybe fix the merge template?? Sasuke9031 ( talk) 09:49, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
So here's a question...why does Kon seem to rate as a race equal to Hallows, Qunicy, Bounts, ect. according to the little Bleach table available at the bottom of some pages? 72.192.206.80 ( talk) 09:21, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
It's been awhile since anyone posted about the merge. If I am reading correctly, Kon's article had a consensus for merge, while the rest I'm not sure. To give a better idea of consensus, please post below with an oppose/support style comment for each article suggested on an individual basis, along with your comments on why you support/oppose. Here, again, are a list of the articles currently suggested for merging:
AnmaFinotera ( talk) 04:47, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
Comment If I knew how to merge, I'd go ahead and merge Kon, since that's where consensus is heading. Since I don't, if someone could merge him and tell me how to merge on my talk page. Sasuke9031 ( talk) 06:26, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
Consensus - as it seems consensus is with keeping Bleach shinigami separate, I've gone ahead and removed that one from the merge list. I have started a discussion on that list about the idea of renaming it and expanding it to cover all of the Soul Society. AnmaFinotera ( talk) 12:42, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
I think in a discussion a few weeks ago someone declared that they unilaterally deleted some extremely minor characters, like Mrs. Shinmura and the 3 kids whom Ichigo beat up in the first chapter. While I can understand the reasoning of the user, this is simply unencyclopedic behavior and against the purpose of Wikipedia, which aims to bring comprehensive coverage of its topics. Every series on Wikipedia has a list of minor characters, and in many series they're specially called List of minor characters in Series. If someone is of the opinion that such characters would clutter this page, I propose making a list of minor characters in Bleach, each one with no more than 1-2 lines of text. Examples are the two above, as well as Hiyosu and Akon, Raku the cat, the little girl whom Kon and Matsumoto saved from a hollow, etc. Otherwise, I think the user who made this deletion should repair their damage because it would take much longer for anyone else to do this as they might not know when the edit took place and what exactly was removed.
Again, I do not support providing an in-depth background about every single character, no matter how minor, but they should at least be listed, possibly even without descriptions.
-- Ynhockey ( Talk) 18:40, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
I have to agree with AnmaFinotera on this. The three kids Ichigo beat up in the beginning are just not notable enough to even warrant a section. You can't have every single victim, or monster, or character to be noted down. Such things exist for the wikia. I see List of minor Sailor Moon characters do not have extremly minor characters, like the boy who resembles Shinnosuke from Crayon Shin-chan or the artist who was speculated to be gay. It has characters which appear in a special segment, or recurrs quite a number of times.
A topic is presumed to be notable if it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject.
Currently half of our articles in the Bleach series do not have real world information or reliable sources independent of the subject and not to mention is written in a in universe style. Unless such things could be found, we fail WP:FICT - Editors must prove, preferably in the article itself, that there is an availability of sources providing real-world information by: providing hyperlinks to such sources; outlining a rewrite, expansion, or merge plan; and/or gaining the consensus of established editors. Although WP:FICT is currently disputed, the fact remains clear that we cannot list the extremely minor characters unless they have some sort of real world information or is important to the series.-- Hana ichi 11:23, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
I was watching Bleach on the Internet, when I heard Don Kanonji's voice. I know it's the same one that was used in Bo-Bo Bo, so I think the name is wrong. Can anyone tell me if I'm right or not? Neo Guyver ( talk) 20:12, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
Yesterday I added some info on the popularity pools. Most character articles include notes on their popularity (which I don't think age too well, incidentally, since they use wording such as "the most recent character popularity pool"), and IMNSHO it only makes sense to at least mention the matter here. The Manga itself has at least clear references to those pools, and they are becoming even more proeminent as of late. Despite that, the section was removed very soon. I think it should stay, and welcome suggestions for alternatives. Luis Dantas ( talk) 18:51, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
I think people are going off to the wrong direction. Editting should be done to improve readability and accuracy. We should not shorten an article solely for the sake of shortening it if the article is already readable to common folks. Also, this is not a courtroom and we're not lawyers. Use the wikipedia as guidelines in how to improve the article not to use it to fight. Discussion about plot summary should take place in the discussion page of plot summary not character page and vise versa. Bleach is a world with a lot of depth and characters, so i don't think it is weird that it would spawn so many long articles (look at star wars articles or articles on shakespearean plays, no one is complaining about those). I recommend everyone to try to add tags and move things around to organize things but avoid outright deletions to the best of your ability, then everyone will be happy. Ssh83 ( talk) 21:41, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
With the arbitration case included and the injunction concluded, we are free to continue with the merge options discussed above. Also note that I have started working on Rukia Kuchiki for a GA run, with the model being the recent Naruto GAs ( Sasuke Uchiha, Sakura Haruno, Kakashi Hatake, also Gaara at WP:GAN). I'll begin adding an "appearances in other media" section to the aforementioned article, but the remaining sections need to be condensed and properly cited using {{ cite book}}. My only quibble is that there's a lack of conception information - is anyone aware of a source of conception information for the Bleach characters? If it's not available, then it's not available, but it would make the process smoother if it did. Sephiroth BCR ( Converse) 06:01, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Why can't these be added to WikiProject? The simple solution is not always the best solution. Not when there is soo much that can be added and improved to each page. It's not like any of these pages a stubs. Neovu79 ( talk) 05:38, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
We're currently looking up out-of-universe info on Zaraki. Once we conclude if he has or hasn't enough out-of-universe info, then he will be merged or kept. For an article with enough out-of-universe info, take a look at the Naruto character articles. Once we bring them up to THAT level, then we can keep the articles. Artist Formerly Known As Whocares ( talk) 14:42, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
I just wanted to say thankyou for all the work people put into this. I watched the anime episodes first and then started reading the manga, and I was so confused when the manga showed Shiba Kukaku with a stump for a left arm, because I remembered her having one in the anime, and I was started to wonder if I was having trouble seeing or if the poses were just weird... 75.2.53.198 ( talk) 02:13, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Can someone please link me to the consensus where Shinigami were going to be called Soul Reapers here? It's cool either way, but it threw me for a loop. Sasuke9031 ( talk) 05:22, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
I know this is a weird request, but I'm lazy, so can someone dig up enough out-of-universe info from reliable sources for the Kisuke Urahara article to pass WP:FICT and WP:N? AnimeNikkaJamal ( talk) 23:06, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
I think there probably needs to be a short two or three-liner about the members of the Shinigami Research Institute on this page (the ones who work with Mayuri and Urahara), mostly since they have appeared a couple times in the series and in the omake (mostly Akon but maybe a couple others too) and as a note to their connection to 12th Squad. - StrangerAtaru ( talk) 00:39, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
Did anyone find out last night who played the voice of Kuroudo? I tried to read the end credits, but it was difficult. 209.247.23.41 ( talk) 18:29, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
On several articles (e.g., list of Bounts in Bleach) a merge with this article has been proposed.
I'd like to say that I've been digging up character reception and other information for the characters and I've found some info for Ishida, Kon, Renji, Byakuya, Aizen & Gin. The sections do need re-writing though...and I'm still looking for out-of-universe information concerning Kisuke, Ukitake & Mayuri. I am trying hard and I really don't want them to be merged. RedEyesMetal ( talk) 18:06, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
See my sandbox. Similar to List of Naruto characters. In sections describing groups, characters get listed in prose similar to Characters of Kingdom Hearts, as putting headers for individual characters when they are being listed in prose feels weird. Discuss. Sephiroth BCR ( Converse) 01:39, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
...Zommari Leroux, the Seventh Espada, is the self-proclaimed fastest Espada, with his movement fast to the point that he form afterimages when he moves. His zanpakutō, Brujería (呪眼僧伽(ブルヘリア), Buruheria, Spanish: " witchcraft," Japanese: " sangha of bewitching eyes"), is released with the command "suppress" (鎮まれ, shizumare), and covers his body with eyes, replacing his legs with a circular structure with eyes on it as well. When he gazes upon something with one of his eyes, he can take control of its movements. The Eighth Espada is Szayel Aporro Granz, the scientist of the Espada, and as a result, he is adept at analyzing his opponent's abilities and nullifying them using his inventions. When released with the command "sip" (啜れ, susure), Szayel's zanpakutō, Fornicarás (邪淫妃(フォルニカラス), Forunikarasu, Spanish: "will fornicate," Japanese: "lewd concubine") grants him a pair of long wing-like structures while covering his lower body with tentacles. In this form, Szayel can utilize a variety of abilities, including making clones of his opponents, creating voodoo dolls of them in order to destroy their internal organs, and impregnating himself into his opponent in order to reproduce himself while tearing his host apart...
Oh, and just to clarify, the following would be merged:
My big sticking point is making sure that the page doesn't get so big, which is why I inserted a {{ main}} template for the Gotei 13 pointing to List of Soul Reapers in Bleach. I'm still iffy on the notability on the lesser members in the "protagonists" section, but oh well. List of hollows in Bleach is a giant collection of one-shot enemies and in-universe summary that needs to go (do we need to cover the hollow Ichigo kills in the first episode and every subsequent one he kills during the first arc?). The Espada can be summarized in the antagonists section (present article has four paragraphs on a twenty chapter character, and we have to have a whole paragraph on appearance for every character?), but how best to organize it (bold headers + span tags to avoid having to use lots of level four headers is my preference, or it can just be solid prose). Onto the rest of the articles, the following simply need to go, as they're AfD bait.
I can see a Bleach universe or Universe of Bleach article having some weight, considering that I think the setting receives some reception, so the above can fit nicely into it. Sephiroth BCR ( Converse) 02:10, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
Why merge the Espada list? The article is fine as it is now and we should really try to preserve the information on there. The article we're looking to create here is enormous as is. 209.83.240.60 ( talk) 17:36, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
I undid the merge on the Quincy article simply because the merge deleted valuable information about Quincy items and abilities. Quincys should have their own article so that they can be explained in depth. I left the merged stuff about the Quincy characters on the List of Characters in Bleach article because it was fine. I dont think the Quincy article should be merged anymore. Lets just focus on increasing the info about Quincy on it okay :) 24.178.106.120 ( talk) 00:27, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
I have redone the merge of the quincy article in a more favorable way, only the character section of the article was merged, the rest of the quincy article remains as-is, no valuable information was lost. 24.178.106.120 ( talk) 00:56, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
The Grimmjow and Ulquiorra merges have gone nowhere since we left off. Sephiroth already ordered we merge them both a long time ago, can I go ahead and do that now? StardustDragon 14:30, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
With the recent cleanup done to the Naruto characters (resulting in two GAs: Sasuke Uchiha and Sakura Haruno, and Kakashi Hatake at WP:GAN), a similar approach can be taken here.
The following in terms of merges should likely take place. For the sake of brevity, I will point to WP:FICT, as several of the editors here are involved in editing the Naruto characters and are familiar with the reasoning. Taken realistically, the grand majority of the present characters do not meet the aforementioned guideline, and should be merged into a list, as they will likely never survive an AfD. Please note that whether these articles are kept or not depends entirely on the degree of reception they get from reliable independent sources. "Importance" to the plot is irrelevant, "future importance" is original research and speculation, and mere popularity (in other words, solely having the Shonen Jump polls) does not guarantee one an article. Anyhow, the following are my recommendations in terms of merging:
Keep:
Fairly straightforward. Note that characters featured relatively early in the plot stand the best chance of acquiring articles, as they are the ones who get reception from English sources, which is where the entirety of our reception information is coming from.
Ambiguous:
Sado is featured early, but slightly less prominently than his peers. Aizen is probably fine, but I'm iffy as well.
Merge:
All either far too minor, featured far too late for any significant English reception, or both.
How they will be merged, or rather what they will be merged into is one of the subjects of this discussion. The character lists also need major cleanup, but I would rather resolve the issue of merging before moving onto that. Anyway, as for the character articles that stay, they would be reformatted practically the same way as the aforementioned Naruto character GAs, and the in-universe information reduced to a manageable amount. Discuss. Sephiroth BCR ( Converse) 03:42, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Just so y'all know, the injunction ceased to be in effect as of a few hours ago, so if you want to further discuss this and/or merge anything, it's OK now. Thanks for sticking it out through the "Month of Hell" and good luck. Sasuke9031 ( talk) 00:34, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
I realise my opinon probbaly doens't matter, but we can't merge Isshin into the List of Current Shingami. If we do that, we spoil an EXTREMELY late chapter where that is revealed. If Isshin is not kept seperate, you will be spoiling his part of the Plot, infact, you might have already spoiled some of it because of that Tag at the top of his page. I also belive that the Espada should get sperate Articles. It might not make much sense, but the Espada, more then any other hollow, deserve their own pictures of Realeses, and I have noticed that most of the joint pages have almost no pictures at all. Not giving the Espada pictures of their release and Zanpaktous, would be the equivalant of not showing the Known Captain's Shikais, or Renji's. They are important characters, even if they recive little page time. —Preceding
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For what it's worth, I've seen Urahara hat replicas for sale as official Bleach merchandise. I dunno if that fits into cultural impacts or whatever, but it's there. StardustDragon 17:43, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
We're no longer working with how much plot-related information we have on the characters. The only reason to justify keeping them is if they have a large number of information on their creation, reception, merchandising, and appearances in other media. Plot stuff, like where they were in this episode or whatnot, doesn't really matter. Only small summaries should be given for those characters (hence with the Naruto character articles). Artist Formerly Known As Whocares ( talk) 20:05, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
Keep Yoruichi, her page is just as long as Kisuke's. If you get merge her's then merge Kisuke. Don't complain to me about how he is a main character. He IS NOT! Just becuase he shows up more than Yoruichi does not make him a main character. Just because he formed the team does not make him a main character! Her created very important things yes but yoruichi did important things as well. Ultimaterasengan ( talk) 23:17, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
there is pelenty of info on her. Ultimaterasengan ( talk) 20:56, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
MERGE Yoruichi as well as many other bleach characters have a main pages that contradicts with WP:FICT,and should not have a page of their own......... Grimmjow E6 ( talk) 05:29, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
How abut not merging Yoruichi, she's been shown doing useful acts in the series and has shown to have a long history with Kisuke, and traveled with the Protaginists during the Soul Socity Arc, as well as revealed the Bount are responsible during the start of the Bount Arc. She also proves to be more useful than more than half of the merged Shinigami. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.162.226.31 ( talk) 15:19, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
I noted that Ririn name is now given as Lirin, because is how "adultswim" gives it (do to my browser I haven't been able to comfirm this). My question is why are we using this as her name when in "Bleach Beat Collection 2nd Session:04" her name is clearly spelled as Ririn? 205.110.157.251 ( talk) 22:27, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
Ok, since when did vizards become visored? Is that even correct? ~ Hyakurei ( talk) 01:24, 6 August 2008 (UTC)