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Hello @ Yasinzayd:, regarding your edit here. Yes! This list is about the Atharis, which, most likely, means the followers of Ahmad ibn Hanbal. [1] As the Hanbali scholar al-Saffarini said in his book Lawami' al-Anwar al-Bahiyya: [2]
Ahl al-Sunna wa al-Jama'a consists of three groups: Atharis, whose leader is Ahmad ibn Hanbal, may Allah be pleased with him; Ash'aris, whose leader is Abu al-Hasan al-Ash'ari, may Allah have mercy on him; and Maturidis, whose leader is Abu Mansur al-Maturidi. [3]
Accordingly, followers of schools of jurisprudence other than the Hanbali school must be deleted. What do you think?-- TheEagle107 ( talk) 08:48, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
@ Yasinzayd: Thanks for your quick feedback. I agree with you, "any notable person who is described as an Athari by reliable sources should be listed here." The problem here is that most English sources says "Traditionalist" not "Athari"! Traditionalists may refer to: Ahl al-Hadith (the People of the Hadith) and/or Atharism (Traditionalist theology). Scholars before Ahmad ibn Hanbal (d. 241/855) cannot be considered Atharis in theology; because Ahmad ibn Hanbal is the Imam of Atharis.
Al-Bāqillānī does not see any significant differences between the theology of the followers of al-Ash‘arī and that of Aḥmad Ibn Hanbal (eponymous founder of Atharism). [4]
Taj al-Din al-Subki said in his Tabaqat al-Shafi'iyya al-Kubra:
“ | The Sheikh Imam (i.e. his father,
Taqi al-Din al-Subki) said in what he tells us: I came across a book by some of the
Mu'tazilis that he called the
tabaqat (“generations”) of the Mu'tazilis, and he began by mentioning '
Abd Allah ibn Mas'ud, may God be pleased with him, thinking that he - God acquitted him of them - was following their creed/doctrine. He said, "This is the height of fanaticism, as a person is only attributed to someone who follows in his footsteps."
I said to the Sheikh Imam (i.e., his father, Taqi al-Din al-Subki): If this had been done to them, the Ash'aris would have counted Abu Bakr and ' Umar, may God be pleased with them, in their group, because they are following their belief and the belief of other Companions (Sahaba) ... He smiled and said, "A person’s followers are those who profess his madhhab." [ Source] |
” |
Anyway, I generally agree with your suggestions. Go ahead! 👍 Peace.-- TheEagle107 ( talk) 08:27, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
References
Ibn Hanbal's school (often called Athari
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Hello @ Yasinzayd:, regarding your edit here. Yes! This list is about the Atharis, which, most likely, means the followers of Ahmad ibn Hanbal. [1] As the Hanbali scholar al-Saffarini said in his book Lawami' al-Anwar al-Bahiyya: [2]
Ahl al-Sunna wa al-Jama'a consists of three groups: Atharis, whose leader is Ahmad ibn Hanbal, may Allah be pleased with him; Ash'aris, whose leader is Abu al-Hasan al-Ash'ari, may Allah have mercy on him; and Maturidis, whose leader is Abu Mansur al-Maturidi. [3]
Accordingly, followers of schools of jurisprudence other than the Hanbali school must be deleted. What do you think?-- TheEagle107 ( talk) 08:48, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
@ Yasinzayd: Thanks for your quick feedback. I agree with you, "any notable person who is described as an Athari by reliable sources should be listed here." The problem here is that most English sources says "Traditionalist" not "Athari"! Traditionalists may refer to: Ahl al-Hadith (the People of the Hadith) and/or Atharism (Traditionalist theology). Scholars before Ahmad ibn Hanbal (d. 241/855) cannot be considered Atharis in theology; because Ahmad ibn Hanbal is the Imam of Atharis.
Al-Bāqillānī does not see any significant differences between the theology of the followers of al-Ash‘arī and that of Aḥmad Ibn Hanbal (eponymous founder of Atharism). [4]
Taj al-Din al-Subki said in his Tabaqat al-Shafi'iyya al-Kubra:
“ | The Sheikh Imam (i.e. his father,
Taqi al-Din al-Subki) said in what he tells us: I came across a book by some of the
Mu'tazilis that he called the
tabaqat (“generations”) of the Mu'tazilis, and he began by mentioning '
Abd Allah ibn Mas'ud, may God be pleased with him, thinking that he - God acquitted him of them - was following their creed/doctrine. He said, "This is the height of fanaticism, as a person is only attributed to someone who follows in his footsteps."
I said to the Sheikh Imam (i.e., his father, Taqi al-Din al-Subki): If this had been done to them, the Ash'aris would have counted Abu Bakr and ' Umar, may God be pleased with them, in their group, because they are following their belief and the belief of other Companions (Sahaba) ... He smiled and said, "A person’s followers are those who profess his madhhab." [ Source] |
” |
Anyway, I generally agree with your suggestions. Go ahead! 👍 Peace.-- TheEagle107 ( talk) 08:27, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
References
Ibn Hanbal's school (often called Athari