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Huh? Pagan culture was somehow an antidote against racism, or Christianity was/is somehow inherintly racist, or both? -- Khym Chanur 04:09, Nov 1, 2003 (UTC)
If I am not mistaken, the popes listed were all North African and therefore not what is normally known as "black", which usually refers to the race of sub-Saharan Africans. Maximus Rex 05:55, 1 Nov 2003 (UTC)
The first edit by Warlockgruffles (18:23, 19 Apr 2005) adds a particularly non-neutral POV. -- 213.84.212.97 21:39, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
According to the dictionary.com and marrian websters dictionary black is :Of or belonging to a ethnic group descended from African peoples having dark skin; eg African-American If I am not mistaken one of the popes was from mauretania which is more west african than north african even today. I find nothing that supports your claims of black meaning sub-saharan african cause there are blacks outside of africa (eg micronesia, melanesia, some polynesians, half of yemenis have one black grandparent or parent, etc) Also what about people from Sudan(which means black in Arabic, Niger(which means black in many latin languages), Chad and most of Southern Egypt today all have majorily black populations and none of these places are sub-saharan. Also many places like Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, and Morocco present black populations today and in the past so how can we say with certainty that they were white, black, mid-eastern etc. I don't even have a problem with so much as you provide no evidence that even suggest or asserts that these popes were not black in the modern or past sense. You simply say they aren't. I'm going to remove your claim until you provide a link that at least claims they were not black and explains why they were not black. I hope you understand that here at wikipedia we simply can't claim or dis-claim people were or were not of a certain race without no links or sources
The non-admin who closed the AfD suggests discussion here about the correct treatment of this article. I'm perfectly happy with Dhartung's proposal of a move to List of African Popes. Other opinions? -- BPMullins | Talk 02:02, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
There is a discussion here as to whether my closure of the AfD was in error. I recommend returning to the kept version of the article and talking out the possible options here to reach consensus. Best, Skomorokh 12:59, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
I think it is proposal to move. I second it.-- DavidD4scnrt ( talk) 06:48, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
The section on African papabili was merged to Pope by user:Phoenix-wiki, and shortly deleted without explanation by User:Alex2706. I have now merged it to Roman Catholicism in Africa instead. - Fayenatic (talk) 21:54, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
Please can 100% accurate sources be provided? these facts are very disputable. 80.101.230.196 ( talk) 16:54, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
It contains "May or may not" give some sources or remove it. If you keep it please define what type of Caucasian you mean. Arenlor ( talk) 07:01, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
I have the simple suggestion of changing the wording of "may have or not have" to "may or may not have" just to better the sound of the sentence. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.89.243.181 ( talk) 20:23, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
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Huh? Pagan culture was somehow an antidote against racism, or Christianity was/is somehow inherintly racist, or both? -- Khym Chanur 04:09, Nov 1, 2003 (UTC)
If I am not mistaken, the popes listed were all North African and therefore not what is normally known as "black", which usually refers to the race of sub-Saharan Africans. Maximus Rex 05:55, 1 Nov 2003 (UTC)
The first edit by Warlockgruffles (18:23, 19 Apr 2005) adds a particularly non-neutral POV. -- 213.84.212.97 21:39, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
According to the dictionary.com and marrian websters dictionary black is :Of or belonging to a ethnic group descended from African peoples having dark skin; eg African-American If I am not mistaken one of the popes was from mauretania which is more west african than north african even today. I find nothing that supports your claims of black meaning sub-saharan african cause there are blacks outside of africa (eg micronesia, melanesia, some polynesians, half of yemenis have one black grandparent or parent, etc) Also what about people from Sudan(which means black in Arabic, Niger(which means black in many latin languages), Chad and most of Southern Egypt today all have majorily black populations and none of these places are sub-saharan. Also many places like Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, and Morocco present black populations today and in the past so how can we say with certainty that they were white, black, mid-eastern etc. I don't even have a problem with so much as you provide no evidence that even suggest or asserts that these popes were not black in the modern or past sense. You simply say they aren't. I'm going to remove your claim until you provide a link that at least claims they were not black and explains why they were not black. I hope you understand that here at wikipedia we simply can't claim or dis-claim people were or were not of a certain race without no links or sources
The non-admin who closed the AfD suggests discussion here about the correct treatment of this article. I'm perfectly happy with Dhartung's proposal of a move to List of African Popes. Other opinions? -- BPMullins | Talk 02:02, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
There is a discussion here as to whether my closure of the AfD was in error. I recommend returning to the kept version of the article and talking out the possible options here to reach consensus. Best, Skomorokh 12:59, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
I think it is proposal to move. I second it.-- DavidD4scnrt ( talk) 06:48, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
The section on African papabili was merged to Pope by user:Phoenix-wiki, and shortly deleted without explanation by User:Alex2706. I have now merged it to Roman Catholicism in Africa instead. - Fayenatic (talk) 21:54, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
Please can 100% accurate sources be provided? these facts are very disputable. 80.101.230.196 ( talk) 16:54, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
It contains "May or may not" give some sources or remove it. If you keep it please define what type of Caucasian you mean. Arenlor ( talk) 07:01, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
I have the simple suggestion of changing the wording of "may have or not have" to "may or may not have" just to better the sound of the sentence. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.89.243.181 ( talk) 20:23, 19 July 2010 (UTC)