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Discussion welcome. Rammer ( talk) 21:30, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
I'm a new account and not comfortable with adding information just yet. However, thought I'd suggest the addition of William Lucas to this list. A long-time sheriff of Wayne County, Michigan and its first County Executive, Mr. Lucas was also the 1986 Republican nominee for Governor of Michigan.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Lucas_%28Michigan%29 —Preceding unsigned comment added by DrAlleykatt ( talk • contribs) 07:33, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
Don King has publicly endorsed Republican Presidential candidates for every election cycle in the last forty years.
Yaphet Kotto is an outspoken Republican who describes himself as a "liberal Republican." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.61.29.125 ( talk) 11:53, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
At the AfD discussion many people raised questions about the proper scope of this article. There was agreement that the list should be limited to people with some degree of political notability. There was clear consensus that this is not a list of every African-American who is a member of the republican party and who has a wikipedia article. For example, someone who is notable for largely non-political reasons does not fit within this criteria.
This would include people who are notable for writing, entertaining, and other professions that are not directly political by nature. Of course if someone was notable for a reason related to electoral politics and also known for another reason, that would not exclude them from the criteria.
Please continue the discussion below. I have added an initial attempt at a criteria to the article. It is only a first attempt. But please discuss any changes here so we can reach consensus about the proper scope.
Similarly, relevant is if a name change would be required once a criteria is decided upon (or at least the scope makes it clear a name change is needed). Please hold off on that change until there's some time for discussion here. Shadowjams ( talk) 06:02, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
Let me try to sum up some of the AfD discussion, and the discussion here. Inclusion requires two criteria:
The second requirement is obvious in cases of politicians, judges, and Republican party officials. It probably also qualifies for non-profit political organizations: things like the ACLU or the NRA or AARP. Does anyone have any ideas about how to word this second criteria? Shadowjams ( talk) 20:27, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
What criteria was used to include Harriet Tubman on this list of Black Republicans? She died in 1913 and the 19th Amendment wasn't passed until 1920. We can accurately classify her as a suffragist, but I know of no evidence that she was a Republican. ALPILO ( talk) 00:32, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
I don't think that Alan Keyes should be listed on here anymore, as he ran for president as an Independant; so it can only be assumed that he is no longer a member of the Republican Party. - BLM Platinum ( talk) 02:21, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
This edit added Martin Luther King Jr. as a Republican to the article, but it does not have a source. I believe his entry's been removed from this list at least once before. In either case, it needs a citation, as there appears to be some controversy on this point. For example, see this article and also the wiki entry on Alveda King. Both of those demonstrate there's some controversy on this point.
I added a CN tag to that entry, as well as to the Alveda King entry. Ms. King served as a Democrat in the Georgia legislature. The article cited above says "In the late 1970s, King was elected to the Georgia state Legislature, where she served two terms as a Democrat -- a period she is not eager to recount." While the article suggests she has supported conservative political causes, I did not find where it mentioned her political affiliation. Shadowjams ( talk) 01:26, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
I remember hearing about him endorsing a Republican congressional candidate in the 2010 race. I don't know any more than that, though, about his affiliation. J390 ( talk) 23:16, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
So why not? I mean, if race is that important an issue that we ought to create a page for black Republicans, why not balance it out with one for Democrats? WikiGavel ( talk) 02:42, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
How does Herman Cain pass the criteria, "worked in a direct, professional capacity in politics."?? Either drop him or change the criteria in the intro, please. Sadsaque ( talk) 07:51, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
I recently added several names to the list, mostly recent nominees for various races, but also locally elected officials. All of this has been removed, including current political officials like Lynn Hutchings, James White and Jackie Winters. Why is that?? Niceley ( talk) 16:26, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
Today I see a new editor has removed Tubman from this list, giving a perfectly reasonable edit summary which claims an authorized biography of the subject says nothing about Republican party affiliation. Another new user reverted this while I researched the claim. I notice Sojourner Truth has appeared on this list for a long time, but I don't see anything in the wikipedia page or the sourcing which reports a party affiliation. I'll confess I don't know the sources in this area myself. It seems logical to me that, lacking the franchise, party affiliation seems superfluous. It seems decidedly unlikely to me that either woman would have been allowed to have registered as a member of an established political party given the era's prevalent attitudes about women in politics. That said, I don't know what is reported by multiple secondary reliable sources independent of the subject. Anyone care to weigh in? If this is the beginning of an edit war, perhaps we ought to look at this claim of party connection right away. BusterD ( talk) 02:05, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
The description of this list states clearly, "This list is limited to black Americans who have worked in a direct, professional capacity in politics." It's been obvious for some time that revisionists of the "the party of David Duke is still the party of Lincoln" ilk are trying to pad the list as thoroughly as possible. -- Orange Mike | Talk 23:12, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
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Seriously, what's up with that? If this is worth a Wiki page then surely that does as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.32.238.180 ( talk) 21:47, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
Leo J Smith's name on the list has been edited out by mshabazz as one without proof of being a Republican or African American. A simple google search (leo smith & republican) and search of the Georgia Repuplican Party website cites him as African American and Reoublican. Also see www.gabrc.com. He is well covered in news sources. Gopengsgement ( talk) 00:00, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
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Is Dr. Walter Williams a Republican? I can't find anything that confirms his party affiliation. SunCrow ( talk) 05:53, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
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Discussion welcome. Rammer ( talk) 21:30, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
I'm a new account and not comfortable with adding information just yet. However, thought I'd suggest the addition of William Lucas to this list. A long-time sheriff of Wayne County, Michigan and its first County Executive, Mr. Lucas was also the 1986 Republican nominee for Governor of Michigan.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Lucas_%28Michigan%29 —Preceding unsigned comment added by DrAlleykatt ( talk • contribs) 07:33, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
Don King has publicly endorsed Republican Presidential candidates for every election cycle in the last forty years.
Yaphet Kotto is an outspoken Republican who describes himself as a "liberal Republican." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.61.29.125 ( talk) 11:53, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
At the AfD discussion many people raised questions about the proper scope of this article. There was agreement that the list should be limited to people with some degree of political notability. There was clear consensus that this is not a list of every African-American who is a member of the republican party and who has a wikipedia article. For example, someone who is notable for largely non-political reasons does not fit within this criteria.
This would include people who are notable for writing, entertaining, and other professions that are not directly political by nature. Of course if someone was notable for a reason related to electoral politics and also known for another reason, that would not exclude them from the criteria.
Please continue the discussion below. I have added an initial attempt at a criteria to the article. It is only a first attempt. But please discuss any changes here so we can reach consensus about the proper scope.
Similarly, relevant is if a name change would be required once a criteria is decided upon (or at least the scope makes it clear a name change is needed). Please hold off on that change until there's some time for discussion here. Shadowjams ( talk) 06:02, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
Let me try to sum up some of the AfD discussion, and the discussion here. Inclusion requires two criteria:
The second requirement is obvious in cases of politicians, judges, and Republican party officials. It probably also qualifies for non-profit political organizations: things like the ACLU or the NRA or AARP. Does anyone have any ideas about how to word this second criteria? Shadowjams ( talk) 20:27, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
What criteria was used to include Harriet Tubman on this list of Black Republicans? She died in 1913 and the 19th Amendment wasn't passed until 1920. We can accurately classify her as a suffragist, but I know of no evidence that she was a Republican. ALPILO ( talk) 00:32, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
I don't think that Alan Keyes should be listed on here anymore, as he ran for president as an Independant; so it can only be assumed that he is no longer a member of the Republican Party. - BLM Platinum ( talk) 02:21, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
This edit added Martin Luther King Jr. as a Republican to the article, but it does not have a source. I believe his entry's been removed from this list at least once before. In either case, it needs a citation, as there appears to be some controversy on this point. For example, see this article and also the wiki entry on Alveda King. Both of those demonstrate there's some controversy on this point.
I added a CN tag to that entry, as well as to the Alveda King entry. Ms. King served as a Democrat in the Georgia legislature. The article cited above says "In the late 1970s, King was elected to the Georgia state Legislature, where she served two terms as a Democrat -- a period she is not eager to recount." While the article suggests she has supported conservative political causes, I did not find where it mentioned her political affiliation. Shadowjams ( talk) 01:26, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
I remember hearing about him endorsing a Republican congressional candidate in the 2010 race. I don't know any more than that, though, about his affiliation. J390 ( talk) 23:16, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
So why not? I mean, if race is that important an issue that we ought to create a page for black Republicans, why not balance it out with one for Democrats? WikiGavel ( talk) 02:42, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
How does Herman Cain pass the criteria, "worked in a direct, professional capacity in politics."?? Either drop him or change the criteria in the intro, please. Sadsaque ( talk) 07:51, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
I recently added several names to the list, mostly recent nominees for various races, but also locally elected officials. All of this has been removed, including current political officials like Lynn Hutchings, James White and Jackie Winters. Why is that?? Niceley ( talk) 16:26, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
Today I see a new editor has removed Tubman from this list, giving a perfectly reasonable edit summary which claims an authorized biography of the subject says nothing about Republican party affiliation. Another new user reverted this while I researched the claim. I notice Sojourner Truth has appeared on this list for a long time, but I don't see anything in the wikipedia page or the sourcing which reports a party affiliation. I'll confess I don't know the sources in this area myself. It seems logical to me that, lacking the franchise, party affiliation seems superfluous. It seems decidedly unlikely to me that either woman would have been allowed to have registered as a member of an established political party given the era's prevalent attitudes about women in politics. That said, I don't know what is reported by multiple secondary reliable sources independent of the subject. Anyone care to weigh in? If this is the beginning of an edit war, perhaps we ought to look at this claim of party connection right away. BusterD ( talk) 02:05, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
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Seriously, what's up with that? If this is worth a Wiki page then surely that does as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.32.238.180 ( talk) 21:47, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
Leo J Smith's name on the list has been edited out by mshabazz as one without proof of being a Republican or African American. A simple google search (leo smith & republican) and search of the Georgia Repuplican Party website cites him as African American and Reoublican. Also see www.gabrc.com. He is well covered in news sources. Gopengsgement ( talk) 00:00, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
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Is Dr. Walter Williams a Republican? I can't find anything that confirms his party affiliation. SunCrow ( talk) 05:53, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
User:Hornets23 recently removed the entry on Rep. Mia Love on the grounds that Rep. Love is of Haitian-American descent, and is therefore not African-American. I wanted to seek input from other editors on this. The issue is: Are Haitian-Americans African-American? SunCrow ( talk)
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