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I think the personality, characteristics and conception of characters are slightly different between the pilot and the series. (Especially, Lady Rainicorn's language.) Can you describe those in the pilot separately in Pilot (Adventure Time)? (I'm busy with other things.) JSH-alive/ talk/ cont/ mail 15:48, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
Where are the characters pertaining to the Fionna and Cake universe not included in this list? -- Matt723star ( talk) 01:00, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
An interview with Niki Yang suggests the Korean thing was Pen Ward's idea. But I recently found a tweet by Bert Youn where it suggests otherwise. According to that tweet, a friend of his who is a director wanted the character to speak something nobody can understand, so he suggested Korean. The tweet also says that Mr. Youn's wife was originally going to voice the character.
If anyone have Twitter or Facebook, can you ask him what happened? (Here's his Twitter and Facebook.) JSH-alive/ talk/ cont/ mail 16:19, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
Per WP:ELPEREN, Formspring is essentially a social media environment and does not appear to meet any of the exception rules for inclusion. I have tagged each of the formspring references in the list with the unreliable source inline template and the primary source inline template (as it's assumed that the person answering the formspring is associated with the show). I intend to remove these references (and any unsourced statements attached to them) in 10 days. This gives people time tfind a better reference for the content. Hasteur ( talk) 20:45, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
General sources, yes theres no room for interpretation, however these formspring sources dont fit with the general interviews and commentary or even blogs. These are answers from regular people, answered by yes primary source but overall without the proof of authority. For example: if you were an executive producer or even the original concept designer of a TV series, and i as any other person in the world, ask you something incredibly minor. Now you may give an answer, however without consulting the other primary sources (developers). Its not directly a fact but rather an opinion. I'll give you another example. This is the info from formsping:
You see these answers arent really "Answers". I dont even see how that can be used. That source alone asks for interpretation from the actual answer. Another example is whether or not gunter is female or male, which the answer was "i 'think' their are multiple gunters" in which was already answered. The problem is this list uses formspring in such high regard to gain in-universe info where it can be verified by the episode.
From the most part you only proved how formspring can be avoided. Lucia Black ( talk) 02:09, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
Just because you say it doesnt hold "much" water, doesnt mean its as you say. Youmerely refuse to see it to its fullest degree. The easy answer is the fact that anyone can ask the producers at anytime about anything related to the show. Thats the "easy" answer, regardless of a third party interview where interviews are meant to be planned and give answers to the general public. On another note, WP:SOCIALMEDIA also says "the material is neither unduly self-serving nor an exceptional claim" to which exceptional claim links to WP:REDFLAG. WP:SELFPUBLISH also states to forum postings and tweets are largely unacceptable. And this falls within that range. Lucia Black ( talk) 18:41, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
I think you understood what i meant by "easy" answer and how it differs from a typical interview. For now, it doesnt say "this trumps our previous statement". So even for primary sources, who are experts, and been noted in third party sources will still be innapropriate. Lucia Black ( talk) 22:07, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
You just proved my point. Its to talk to fans, not to confirm facts. 8'll say it again, because it didnt click the second time. The problem is wikipedia still states to avoid forum post and tweets. It did not mention that all the facts you stated were the exception. Lucia Black ( talk) 23:25, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
Ok, you dont know what "everything in between" means if you somehow believe self published books are in the same form of a tweet and a forum post. Everything in between is for example, a yahoo message, or a facebook private message, or lets say a voice recording that really wasnt proven to be posted "on the record" unlike an interview, regardless of planned or not. Prove that im reading it wrong. You have none at the moment. Ask them if the following sentence in WP:SELFPUBLISH is mentioning an exception. Its you word against mine and youre not gonna go anywhere because im being technical about a sentence structure in which you cant necessarily blame me if im hypothetically wrong. You have all the means to prove it. Lucia Black ( talk) 23:50, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
Very well then. Youre right. Regardless, I will challenge this to not allow low quality form of sources. Such as private messages and such. Lucia Black ( talk) 00:14, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
But how on-record were they meant to be? Thats the question.looking at the sources, arent as visible as some make it out to be. Its completely different from an interview even if caught off gaurd. Sometimes these things are better to be reported to the third party reliable sources in order to deem it relevant enough to report at all. Private messages can be verified by images now, but should they? Not everything should be reported and not all primary sources should be aswell. It just shows how low quality wikipedia is on it. Maybe if it cannot be avoided, however i doubt it cant. thats why third party helps, because even if its reporting from primary source. Its relevant towards third party and makes it much more high quality. Lucia Black ( talk) 00:44, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
If Marceline has her own article, why doesn't Princess Bubblegum and Ice King have their own separate articles? — Confession0791 talk 06:48, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
I moved the section containing 'Recurring antagonists' up, so that it's above minor characters. It seemed a little strange to place important characters like the Ice King at the bottom of the article. I also added Lemongrab to the antagonist section, since there have been several episodes centered on him (or them, rather). Certainly more important that Ricardio, who's only been in two episodes.
Actually, having separate sections for antagonists seems like it might be worth rethinking, since some of these characters are ambiguous. Ice King has has several episodes where he is the hero, and many where he is at least sympathetic. It might be better to combine both major character sections, to avoid having to make these kind of subjective judgments. Grayfell ( talk) 06:12, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
In The Art of Ooo, a very early sketch of ‘B-MO’, as it was stylised as then, has a mention of ‘ Boron- Molybdenum’ close-by. It’s very anecdotal and probably has nowhere to go in the article, but it may be where its name come from. Nclm ( talk) 19:40, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
It seems that many of the references reference a publisher called "The Onion" but the link leads to the Wikipedia page for the popular satire site. Is this a mistake? Vandalism? 174.124.183.77 ( talk) 01:59, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
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The pages says the following about BMO's gender:
> BMO while being voiced by a female, is male and has been referred to as male by other characters. Niki Yang who voices BMO has also called classified him as male.
While BMO has indeed been referred to as male by other characters (along with the actress who voices BMO), as far as I'm aware BMO's also been referred to as female, and there has no canonical gender. See the multiple instances of ambiguous references to BMO's gender in this wikia page.
Would it be more appropriate to correct that portion of BMO's section accordingly?
JNat megaman ( talk) 16:59, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
BMO is neither male nor female. [1] In the show both the pronoun "he" and the term "m'lady" have been used in reference to BMO. While BMO is an object used for recreation by Finn and Jake, BMO is still considered a close friend and treated as an equal by the two. [1] BMO speaks English with a Korean accent. [2]
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It seems like many of the authorized photos here are from Flickr, and they can exist in Commons. But I wonder why there's no such photo for Hynden Walch, who voices PB. - George6VI ( talk) 06:28, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
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I think the personality, characteristics and conception of characters are slightly different between the pilot and the series. (Especially, Lady Rainicorn's language.) Can you describe those in the pilot separately in Pilot (Adventure Time)? (I'm busy with other things.) JSH-alive/ talk/ cont/ mail 15:48, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
Where are the characters pertaining to the Fionna and Cake universe not included in this list? -- Matt723star ( talk) 01:00, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
An interview with Niki Yang suggests the Korean thing was Pen Ward's idea. But I recently found a tweet by Bert Youn where it suggests otherwise. According to that tweet, a friend of his who is a director wanted the character to speak something nobody can understand, so he suggested Korean. The tweet also says that Mr. Youn's wife was originally going to voice the character.
If anyone have Twitter or Facebook, can you ask him what happened? (Here's his Twitter and Facebook.) JSH-alive/ talk/ cont/ mail 16:19, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
Per WP:ELPEREN, Formspring is essentially a social media environment and does not appear to meet any of the exception rules for inclusion. I have tagged each of the formspring references in the list with the unreliable source inline template and the primary source inline template (as it's assumed that the person answering the formspring is associated with the show). I intend to remove these references (and any unsourced statements attached to them) in 10 days. This gives people time tfind a better reference for the content. Hasteur ( talk) 20:45, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
General sources, yes theres no room for interpretation, however these formspring sources dont fit with the general interviews and commentary or even blogs. These are answers from regular people, answered by yes primary source but overall without the proof of authority. For example: if you were an executive producer or even the original concept designer of a TV series, and i as any other person in the world, ask you something incredibly minor. Now you may give an answer, however without consulting the other primary sources (developers). Its not directly a fact but rather an opinion. I'll give you another example. This is the info from formsping:
You see these answers arent really "Answers". I dont even see how that can be used. That source alone asks for interpretation from the actual answer. Another example is whether or not gunter is female or male, which the answer was "i 'think' their are multiple gunters" in which was already answered. The problem is this list uses formspring in such high regard to gain in-universe info where it can be verified by the episode.
From the most part you only proved how formspring can be avoided. Lucia Black ( talk) 02:09, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
Just because you say it doesnt hold "much" water, doesnt mean its as you say. Youmerely refuse to see it to its fullest degree. The easy answer is the fact that anyone can ask the producers at anytime about anything related to the show. Thats the "easy" answer, regardless of a third party interview where interviews are meant to be planned and give answers to the general public. On another note, WP:SOCIALMEDIA also says "the material is neither unduly self-serving nor an exceptional claim" to which exceptional claim links to WP:REDFLAG. WP:SELFPUBLISH also states to forum postings and tweets are largely unacceptable. And this falls within that range. Lucia Black ( talk) 18:41, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
I think you understood what i meant by "easy" answer and how it differs from a typical interview. For now, it doesnt say "this trumps our previous statement". So even for primary sources, who are experts, and been noted in third party sources will still be innapropriate. Lucia Black ( talk) 22:07, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
You just proved my point. Its to talk to fans, not to confirm facts. 8'll say it again, because it didnt click the second time. The problem is wikipedia still states to avoid forum post and tweets. It did not mention that all the facts you stated were the exception. Lucia Black ( talk) 23:25, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
Ok, you dont know what "everything in between" means if you somehow believe self published books are in the same form of a tweet and a forum post. Everything in between is for example, a yahoo message, or a facebook private message, or lets say a voice recording that really wasnt proven to be posted "on the record" unlike an interview, regardless of planned or not. Prove that im reading it wrong. You have none at the moment. Ask them if the following sentence in WP:SELFPUBLISH is mentioning an exception. Its you word against mine and youre not gonna go anywhere because im being technical about a sentence structure in which you cant necessarily blame me if im hypothetically wrong. You have all the means to prove it. Lucia Black ( talk) 23:50, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
Very well then. Youre right. Regardless, I will challenge this to not allow low quality form of sources. Such as private messages and such. Lucia Black ( talk) 00:14, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
But how on-record were they meant to be? Thats the question.looking at the sources, arent as visible as some make it out to be. Its completely different from an interview even if caught off gaurd. Sometimes these things are better to be reported to the third party reliable sources in order to deem it relevant enough to report at all. Private messages can be verified by images now, but should they? Not everything should be reported and not all primary sources should be aswell. It just shows how low quality wikipedia is on it. Maybe if it cannot be avoided, however i doubt it cant. thats why third party helps, because even if its reporting from primary source. Its relevant towards third party and makes it much more high quality. Lucia Black ( talk) 00:44, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
If Marceline has her own article, why doesn't Princess Bubblegum and Ice King have their own separate articles? — Confession0791 talk 06:48, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
I moved the section containing 'Recurring antagonists' up, so that it's above minor characters. It seemed a little strange to place important characters like the Ice King at the bottom of the article. I also added Lemongrab to the antagonist section, since there have been several episodes centered on him (or them, rather). Certainly more important that Ricardio, who's only been in two episodes.
Actually, having separate sections for antagonists seems like it might be worth rethinking, since some of these characters are ambiguous. Ice King has has several episodes where he is the hero, and many where he is at least sympathetic. It might be better to combine both major character sections, to avoid having to make these kind of subjective judgments. Grayfell ( talk) 06:12, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
In The Art of Ooo, a very early sketch of ‘B-MO’, as it was stylised as then, has a mention of ‘ Boron- Molybdenum’ close-by. It’s very anecdotal and probably has nowhere to go in the article, but it may be where its name come from. Nclm ( talk) 19:40, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
It seems that many of the references reference a publisher called "The Onion" but the link leads to the Wikipedia page for the popular satire site. Is this a mistake? Vandalism? 174.124.183.77 ( talk) 01:59, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
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The pages says the following about BMO's gender:
> BMO while being voiced by a female, is male and has been referred to as male by other characters. Niki Yang who voices BMO has also called classified him as male.
While BMO has indeed been referred to as male by other characters (along with the actress who voices BMO), as far as I'm aware BMO's also been referred to as female, and there has no canonical gender. See the multiple instances of ambiguous references to BMO's gender in this wikia page.
Would it be more appropriate to correct that portion of BMO's section accordingly?
JNat megaman ( talk) 16:59, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
BMO is neither male nor female. [1] In the show both the pronoun "he" and the term "m'lady" have been used in reference to BMO. While BMO is an object used for recreation by Finn and Jake, BMO is still considered a close friend and treated as an equal by the two. [1] BMO speaks English with a Korean accent. [2]
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It seems like many of the authorized photos here are from Flickr, and they can exist in Commons. But I wonder why there's no such photo for Hynden Walch, who voices PB. - George6VI ( talk) 06:28, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
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