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The Tubes? -- Punk? Does anybody else think so? Sjfloat 16:56 18 Jun 2003 (UTC)
Something else to point out, a lot of bands mentioned and noted, though great, were definitely not part of the first wave, and wow, I mean for california alone, a lot of first wave bands are missing and a lot of second wave bands have taken their place.
It's amazing with the vast resources that the internet and collectors have to offer, that great bands from labels like Dangerhouse are missing.
Where are the Randoms? Where's Black Randy and the Metrosquad?
PLEASE DO RESEARCH BEFORE MAKING A HORRIBLE LIST LIKE THIS!! —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
76.174.103.204 (
talk) 20:15, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
Black Flag was arguably a good, genuine punk band. But I wouldn't put them in the 'First Wave'. Both the London and NY scenes (and probably DC's, I guess) were pretty mature by the time they showed up. Right? Weren't they more Second Wave, hardcore, L.A.? Might say the same or similar of DK, The Germs, The Dickies, etc.
Also, I'm not sure the Dolls belong here either. They were sort of antecedents. There's a list for that: Pre-Punk Bands (and they're already there BTW). Sjfloat 17:49 10 Jul 2003 (UTC)
Orange County punk band Channel 3 must have been an oversight on your part.
Of course this is arguable, but the First Wave of Punk is 74-78. Some even argue that it ended when "Never Mind the Bullocks..." was released (Sex Pistols) because of it's effect upon the idea of punk itself. It became a fashion. I suggest at least excluding any band formed after 78 in the First Wave List of Punk Bands. Matthewbtyler 20:35, 20 August 2006 (UTC)matthewbtyler
Matthewbtyler is right... WP:OWN seems to be been violated by people who are clueless about the genre. There should be a list for actual, real punk, as Matthewbtyler suggested, then "second wave" covering Oi!, hardcore and anarcho, as that is the time frame they came in. - Deathrocker 14:16, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm deleting bands without Wikipedia articles, bands that started in 1980 or later, bands that aren't really punk rock, and bands that aren't notable. I'm also adding headings and alphabetizing it better. Spylab 13:53, 23 August 2006 (UTC)Spylab
There needs to be strickly seperate lists for punk rock and hardcore bands, the current list pretends hardcore is punk, when the two are different forms of must. - Deathrocker 00:31, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
Would you consider X Hardcore Punk or Regular Punk? I think they're Hardcore. It seems to work better as one long list. Aaronproot
I've added The Rings and The Worst. The Rings are pretty well known. From London, included Twink and Alan Lee Shaw - played Mont-de-Marsan in 1977. Single I wanna be free. The Worst are more obscure. From Manchester they tried to top everybody else with ramshackle amateurism. I saw them at the London Roundhouse, maybe with The Buzzcocks. Both bands require disambig before linking. Wwwhatsup 16:45, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
Here's my two-penneth (or two cents) - this is how I perceived things at the time:
these were the bands that formed well before the first wave of punk and were cited as big influences by the first wave and would have been classified as punk had they formed later.
they include: the stooges, new york dolls, velvet underground, mc5, (and possibly others).
Ad1mt ( talk) 16:22, 5 August 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ad1mt ( talk • contribs) 16:11, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
Agreed about your choices: Add to this The Pink Fairies , closely related to MC5 (Mick Farren). Also The Slits claim Patty Smith as influence.( EstherLaver ( talk) 22:48, 26 January 2011 (UTC))
these were the bands that were influenced by the "godfathers" of punk or other 60's bands, without being influenced by any of their contemporaries, during the period between mid-1974 through end of 1975.
they include patti smith, the ramones, the sex pistols, the saints (australia), the bands that included richard hell, the stranglers and the jam (possibly a few others).
it must be remembered that punk started in both new york & london (& arguably australia) independently & at the same time, although there was some cross-influence via an NME article about new york punk & via malcolm mclarens failed atttempt to revive the new york dolls. I might have missed some new york bands but I think you get the idea.
some dispute that the stranglers and the jam were punk. however I saw the stranglers several times in 1976-7, and in my view they had the attitude of punk (big time), and also the challenging lyrics of punk, although their music was much more adventurous than most punk, but this was never a problem for me. I never saw the jam live, but the fact that mark perry wrote about them in his legendary & seminal punk fanzine sniffing glue is good enough for me.
these were the bands that formed no later than Dec 1976 (before punk hit the mainstream when the sex pistols swore on UK TV). They were directly inspired to form by seeing one of the first wave of punk bands, and not by learning about punk in the media.
there are too many to mention, but UK bands would include: the clash, souxsie & the banshees, the buzzcocks, the damned, generation x, the adverts. US bands would include crime, talking heads.
these were the bands that formed during the punk heyday of january 1977 through the early 1980s, usually after learning about it in the media, or by direct influence by the one of the first or second waves. there are far too many to mention, and probably number over a 1000 in the UK alone.
these are the bands that formed in the last 20 years (the punk "revival"), well after the punk heyday that ended in the early 1980s.
Ad1mt ( talk) 16:00, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
Ad1mt ( talk) 14:48, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
Pub Rock wasn't punk. The early CBGB bands were punk, it was with them that the concept, the approach, most of what came to defined as punk was born...they were definitely far more influential than pub rock. Pub rock definitely played it's role in the development, but it wasn't much more significant than the influence from say, Glam Rock or early Power Pop. It was the New York scene responsible for giving birth to what was first, officially designated as punk, bottom line. Theburning25 ( talk) 10:28, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
It is no wonder the factual accuracy of the article is disputed. A good proportion of the bands listed are NOT in the first wave of punk music. The list either needs stricter editing OR the article should be re-named (something like 'List of punk musicians performing in the 1970s'). Yozzer66 ( talk) 21:42, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
Initially, in the UK, the definition between 'punk' and 'new wave' was blurred. It simply wasn't clearly defined or was it policed by over-zealous music journalists or fans. Believe it or not, in 1977, the same people that spiked their hair and wore safety pins in the ripped jeans also championed both the Sex Pistols and XTC!!! Yozzer66 ( talk) 13:37, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
I've started a deletion dicussion, at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of musicians in the first wave of punk rock - not necessarily because I think it should be deleted, but because I don't think it's possible to objectively define who or what constitutes the "first wave". So deletion, a good source that shows there's a generally-accepted definition, renaming, or perhaps something else - not sure what I think the solution is. But please do offer any thoughts you might have. -- Boing! said Zebedee ( talk) 23:11, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
I've renamed the article, as decided by consensus at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of musicians in the first wave of punk rock -- Boing! said Zebedee ( talk) 16:22, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
This article is mis-named. A musician is a person; this should be a list of people who play punk rock music. Instead, it is almost exclusively contains punk rock bands.
Why isn't it called "List of 1970s punk rock bands"? -- Dan Griscom ( talk) 02:01, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
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The Tubes? -- Punk? Does anybody else think so? Sjfloat 16:56 18 Jun 2003 (UTC)
Something else to point out, a lot of bands mentioned and noted, though great, were definitely not part of the first wave, and wow, I mean for california alone, a lot of first wave bands are missing and a lot of second wave bands have taken their place.
It's amazing with the vast resources that the internet and collectors have to offer, that great bands from labels like Dangerhouse are missing.
Where are the Randoms? Where's Black Randy and the Metrosquad?
PLEASE DO RESEARCH BEFORE MAKING A HORRIBLE LIST LIKE THIS!! —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
76.174.103.204 (
talk) 20:15, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
Black Flag was arguably a good, genuine punk band. But I wouldn't put them in the 'First Wave'. Both the London and NY scenes (and probably DC's, I guess) were pretty mature by the time they showed up. Right? Weren't they more Second Wave, hardcore, L.A.? Might say the same or similar of DK, The Germs, The Dickies, etc.
Also, I'm not sure the Dolls belong here either. They were sort of antecedents. There's a list for that: Pre-Punk Bands (and they're already there BTW). Sjfloat 17:49 10 Jul 2003 (UTC)
Orange County punk band Channel 3 must have been an oversight on your part.
Of course this is arguable, but the First Wave of Punk is 74-78. Some even argue that it ended when "Never Mind the Bullocks..." was released (Sex Pistols) because of it's effect upon the idea of punk itself. It became a fashion. I suggest at least excluding any band formed after 78 in the First Wave List of Punk Bands. Matthewbtyler 20:35, 20 August 2006 (UTC)matthewbtyler
Matthewbtyler is right... WP:OWN seems to be been violated by people who are clueless about the genre. There should be a list for actual, real punk, as Matthewbtyler suggested, then "second wave" covering Oi!, hardcore and anarcho, as that is the time frame they came in. - Deathrocker 14:16, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm deleting bands without Wikipedia articles, bands that started in 1980 or later, bands that aren't really punk rock, and bands that aren't notable. I'm also adding headings and alphabetizing it better. Spylab 13:53, 23 August 2006 (UTC)Spylab
There needs to be strickly seperate lists for punk rock and hardcore bands, the current list pretends hardcore is punk, when the two are different forms of must. - Deathrocker 00:31, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
Would you consider X Hardcore Punk or Regular Punk? I think they're Hardcore. It seems to work better as one long list. Aaronproot
I've added The Rings and The Worst. The Rings are pretty well known. From London, included Twink and Alan Lee Shaw - played Mont-de-Marsan in 1977. Single I wanna be free. The Worst are more obscure. From Manchester they tried to top everybody else with ramshackle amateurism. I saw them at the London Roundhouse, maybe with The Buzzcocks. Both bands require disambig before linking. Wwwhatsup 16:45, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
Here's my two-penneth (or two cents) - this is how I perceived things at the time:
these were the bands that formed well before the first wave of punk and were cited as big influences by the first wave and would have been classified as punk had they formed later.
they include: the stooges, new york dolls, velvet underground, mc5, (and possibly others).
Ad1mt ( talk) 16:22, 5 August 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ad1mt ( talk • contribs) 16:11, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
Agreed about your choices: Add to this The Pink Fairies , closely related to MC5 (Mick Farren). Also The Slits claim Patty Smith as influence.( EstherLaver ( talk) 22:48, 26 January 2011 (UTC))
these were the bands that were influenced by the "godfathers" of punk or other 60's bands, without being influenced by any of their contemporaries, during the period between mid-1974 through end of 1975.
they include patti smith, the ramones, the sex pistols, the saints (australia), the bands that included richard hell, the stranglers and the jam (possibly a few others).
it must be remembered that punk started in both new york & london (& arguably australia) independently & at the same time, although there was some cross-influence via an NME article about new york punk & via malcolm mclarens failed atttempt to revive the new york dolls. I might have missed some new york bands but I think you get the idea.
some dispute that the stranglers and the jam were punk. however I saw the stranglers several times in 1976-7, and in my view they had the attitude of punk (big time), and also the challenging lyrics of punk, although their music was much more adventurous than most punk, but this was never a problem for me. I never saw the jam live, but the fact that mark perry wrote about them in his legendary & seminal punk fanzine sniffing glue is good enough for me.
these were the bands that formed no later than Dec 1976 (before punk hit the mainstream when the sex pistols swore on UK TV). They were directly inspired to form by seeing one of the first wave of punk bands, and not by learning about punk in the media.
there are too many to mention, but UK bands would include: the clash, souxsie & the banshees, the buzzcocks, the damned, generation x, the adverts. US bands would include crime, talking heads.
these were the bands that formed during the punk heyday of january 1977 through the early 1980s, usually after learning about it in the media, or by direct influence by the one of the first or second waves. there are far too many to mention, and probably number over a 1000 in the UK alone.
these are the bands that formed in the last 20 years (the punk "revival"), well after the punk heyday that ended in the early 1980s.
Ad1mt ( talk) 16:00, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
Ad1mt ( talk) 14:48, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
Pub Rock wasn't punk. The early CBGB bands were punk, it was with them that the concept, the approach, most of what came to defined as punk was born...they were definitely far more influential than pub rock. Pub rock definitely played it's role in the development, but it wasn't much more significant than the influence from say, Glam Rock or early Power Pop. It was the New York scene responsible for giving birth to what was first, officially designated as punk, bottom line. Theburning25 ( talk) 10:28, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
It is no wonder the factual accuracy of the article is disputed. A good proportion of the bands listed are NOT in the first wave of punk music. The list either needs stricter editing OR the article should be re-named (something like 'List of punk musicians performing in the 1970s'). Yozzer66 ( talk) 21:42, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
Initially, in the UK, the definition between 'punk' and 'new wave' was blurred. It simply wasn't clearly defined or was it policed by over-zealous music journalists or fans. Believe it or not, in 1977, the same people that spiked their hair and wore safety pins in the ripped jeans also championed both the Sex Pistols and XTC!!! Yozzer66 ( talk) 13:37, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
I've started a deletion dicussion, at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of musicians in the first wave of punk rock - not necessarily because I think it should be deleted, but because I don't think it's possible to objectively define who or what constitutes the "first wave". So deletion, a good source that shows there's a generally-accepted definition, renaming, or perhaps something else - not sure what I think the solution is. But please do offer any thoughts you might have. -- Boing! said Zebedee ( talk) 23:11, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
I've renamed the article, as decided by consensus at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of musicians in the first wave of punk rock -- Boing! said Zebedee ( talk) 16:22, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
This article is mis-named. A musician is a person; this should be a list of people who play punk rock music. Instead, it is almost exclusively contains punk rock bands.
Why isn't it called "List of 1970s punk rock bands"? -- Dan Griscom ( talk) 02:01, 16 July 2017 (UTC)