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Hi Delta Tango, you taged LFL for cleanup... can you specify the kind of cleanup, the article needs? Thanks!
Weapon X (de) 02:32, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
The following image galleries of team logos were removed by Osgoodelawyer because "fair use logos ... only allowed on articles for the teams themselves".
I can remember something like that, but can't find the place where it was written.. can somebody help? - Weapon X (de) 14:45, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Is this section encyclopedic? These events haven't occurred yet. -- Hoary ( talk) 23:08, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
This article says both, that half times are 10 minutes and 12 minutes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.6.142.162 ( talk) 19:28, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
I'm going to change the text regarding the upcoming season's broadcasts on MTV2. As currently worded, it implies the broadcasts will feature the complete games, and this isn't so. Every source I've looked at - among them, www.dailyherald.com, www.sptimesforum.com, and www.sportsbusinessdigest.com - says that these will instead be half-hour highlight shows. Elsquared ( talk) 04:17, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
The tag says the "criticism" section's mere presence may indicate the article isn't neutral, but since most of the language from sections above reads like something from a marketing department isn't it fair to mention possible controversies? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Echo5Joker ( talk • contribs) 16:51, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
Agreed. It was changed to "reception", which is better and more neutral. However, several times in mid-2012, someone (IP 68.224.19.184) deleted the entire section wholesale without any comment. Such edits have been restored by subsequent users. Who is this user? Someone from the LFL management trying to whitewash the page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.6.137.69 ( talk) 15:08, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
All I wonder is: Have anyone out there (besides LFL management) given the league a positive review? All I see in the section is mainly criticisms and controversies(?) Zappa O Mati 15:19, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
This is the entire extent of 68.224.19.184's contributions to this date:
03:58, 19 September 2012 (diff | hist) . . (-378) . . Lingerie Football League
03:57, 19 September 2012 (diff | hist) . . (-4,535) . . Lingerie Football League (→Reception) (Tag: section blanking)
04:57, 17 September 2012 (diff | hist) . . (-404) . . Lingerie Football League
04:56, 17 September 2012 (diff | hist) . . (-4,535) . . Lingerie Football League (→Reception) (Tag: section blanking)
15:45, 13 September 2012 (diff | hist) . . (-649) . . File:LFL logo.jpg (←Replaced content with '== Summary ==') (Tag: image template modification)
15:42, 13 September 2012 (diff | hist) . . (-336) . . Lingerie Football League
01:01, 7 September 2012 (diff | hist) . . (-106) . . Lingerie Football League (→External links)
00:59, 7 September 2012 (diff | hist) . . (-4,535) . . Lingerie Football League (→Reception) (Tag: section blanking)
09:32, 18 June 2012 (diff | hist) . . (-4,535) . . Lingerie Football League (→Reception) (Tag: section blanking)
At what point does that IP get banned from editing? — Preceding
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Hi, I just moved the Lingerie Football League page to Legends Football League, as the league was officially renamed as of January 10, 2013. Is there a Wikipedia way to deal with the way the league is referenced in the article? Should all mentions of Lingerie Football League be changed to Legends Football League?
Also, this page will need a new logo, as the logo for LFL has also been changed.
Thanks, Natg 19 ( talk) 18:51, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
Surely there ought to be some mention of the Toronto Triump strike? It seems important if nearly an entire roster quits in a young league. -- Matthew Proctor ( talk) 02:29, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
Can this really be described as " American football", instead of North American football/ gridiron football ? Isn't it a bit too different to be called "American football"? (as different or more different than Canadian football) -- 65.92.180.137 ( talk) 02:43, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
I'm attempting to keep this from turning into an edit war, so I'll just state it here. Recently, me and an IP have been reverting over the addition of the LFL Australia teams list, which I stated is already verified, and per WP:CRYSTAL, as long as it's verifiable and almost certain to occur, it can be kept. The IP then stated that no sources in Australia exist of it, so I've provided some of them (I think they're from Australia) here: [1] [2] [3]. Zappa O Mati 04:23, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
There's some disagreement about whether to include the following paragraph, added by 166.137.209.156 on 26 September:
Since mid-2014, such magazines and websites as Forbes, Sports Illustrated, and Bleacher Report, have begun to recognize the legitimacy of the Legends Football League and its athletes. Fitness magazines such as Fitness RX and Shape have begun to publish stories on the workouts and preparations of the LFL athletes. Critics have started changing there view as the product shown has changed from a sexually-charged gimmick to an organization focused on the pure beauty and athleticism of the women featured and the heart that they put into the game. The Legends Football League is starting to be seen as a legit contender in the world of sports. [reference: http://www.forbes.com/sites/markjburns/2014/09/06/with-series-of-bold-moves-legends-football-league-aims-to-become-global-sports-property
My position is that the cited source does not support the claim made. The Forbes article does not say that LFL is starting to be seen as legitimate. It says that Mitch Mortaza, the founder and chairman of the LFL, says the LFL is starting to be seen as legitimate. If we're to include that claim at all, we need to make it very clear that it's a claim made by a man with a financial interest in the LFL, not by any neutral commentator. But personally, I don't think this is even worth including. Of course the LFL founder and chairman is going to say that. How is that even interesting? We don't write that the chair of Coca-Cola says Coke is terrific, because that's exactly what anyone would expect him to say. The statement has zero encyclopedic value. The Adrian J. Hunter( talk• contribs) 12:39, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
I agree. I think the removal is necessary. His quotes have been found to be lies and glamorizations designed to cover up alot of scams and shortcuts he has taken in operating this "league". Toronto Triumph had it right in leaving the league. The criticisms speak the truth of the league, remove this source and these lies.
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Why the use of hot pink in the title? Really hard on the eyes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.199.56.229 ( talk) 08:23, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
Placed an add on under the LFL Australia banner that I'm not sure is completely accurate, but want your opinion on. The add on states that it will never be back in Australia because of lack of players. Looks like it was removed once by an IP but I put it back (that's my IP that shows up because at the time I couldnt remember my login). Personally, the only source I've seen came from the Ladies Gridiron League but no reliable news sources. On the other side, the IP that removed it claimed the LFL said it would for sure be back in Australia, but there's been no substantial news there either. So I ask, is this something we feel should be removed from the subject, or just reworded to state its status is up in the air? Nate001 ( talk) 06:59, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
Update: So, still no solid evidence either way. Another IP has removed the info in the article, and due to no solid articles either way, I feel it should stay that way, gone for good. Nate001 ( talk) 04:50, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
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As the Extreme Football League is essentially another rebrand of the LFL, I'm editing the article accordingly. But, otherwise, should the "X League" be given its own page instead? The XFL (2020) was given its own page and, unlike the X League, looks to be a complete revamp of the original XFL (2001), removing all the WWE-esque gimmicks and elements. MarcoPolo250 ( talk) 15:47, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
User:Yosemiter, unless you can find hard evidence that this is anything but another rebrand, stop changing the article. It's simple as that. MarcoPolo250 ( talk) 20:09, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
Somebody needs to either change the page title to Extreme Football League or change the intro back to Legends Football League. The current version is junk and makes us look incompetent. -- Khajidha ( talk) 17:03, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
The league's first seasonis called marketing; the league can say whatever it wants. Independent media (which is what Wikipedia is primarily based on) can also read through such claims. Mitch Mortaza is still heavily involved ( as seen here) and all the old LFL social media pages were literally only renamed when the rebrand took effect (go ahead and look a the "Page created" parameter at their Facebook page and their Twitter as "Joined March 2009"). They are clearly a continuation in both independent media and their own history. Honestly, if anything, this page could be edited further to remove the seasons (they already have their own pages) and that would cut it way down. Yosemiter ( talk) 19:51, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
In the THREE YEARS since the league's restructuring, the name of this article should have already been changed. Instead, it's been wasted on stupid debates. The Extreme Football League begins play this Friday, and it's Wikipedia page is still as outdated and useless as its ever been. Yet another example of donations going to waste on this website. Thecleanerand ( talk) 12:23, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. X-League retargeted to X League. ( non-admin closure) Clyde! Franklin! 01:30, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
– The LFL has rebranded and is now known as "X League". The Japanese league should be moved as well, the hyphen is not sufficient disambiguation. Note that the existence of X-League Indoor Football prevents the use of something like X League (United States). 162 etc. ( talk) 04:45, 3 November 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mello hi! ( 投稿) 07:30, 11 November 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. — Ingenuity ( talk • contribs) 21:18, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
One of the photographs is of three players wearing the same uniform, but the caption says ä player . . . ." 2600:6C67:1C00:5F7E:DB2E:DF73:29AF:1481 ( talk) 05:12, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
Noticed that the current activities are missing here. Cant edit from phone so just posting this note. Heres some more current info in a related article:
/info/en/?search=Chicago_Blitz_(X_League) DrMel ( talk) 03:39, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
I'm writing here to alert editors of a major factual error with this article in that it conflates two distinct subjects. In short, the error is that the X-League is not a continuation of the Legends Football League, but a distinct entity that did not exist before 2020.
The article states the the X-League is a rebrand of the Legends Football League. There are several media publications used to support this, but these are likely using one another as sources and further propagating the mistake. X-League management members have been in touch with the primary publications used to support this and corrections are pending. The publications are:
The main indication that this is wrong is that the Legends Football League still exits and plays games. Please see https://www.lflus.com/.
The actions that I am requesting to correct this are:
Thanks for taking the time to consider this and I know everyone here is dedicated to keeping Wikipedia as accurate as possible. Looking to build consensus, so I'm open to discussions around opposing views on this article split.
SBCornelius (
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16:03, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
Please use WP:PROPSPLIT
Regards, Spintendo 16:33, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
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Hi Delta Tango, you taged LFL for cleanup... can you specify the kind of cleanup, the article needs? Thanks!
Weapon X (de) 02:32, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
The following image galleries of team logos were removed by Osgoodelawyer because "fair use logos ... only allowed on articles for the teams themselves".
I can remember something like that, but can't find the place where it was written.. can somebody help? - Weapon X (de) 14:45, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Is this section encyclopedic? These events haven't occurred yet. -- Hoary ( talk) 23:08, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
This article says both, that half times are 10 minutes and 12 minutes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.6.142.162 ( talk) 19:28, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
I'm going to change the text regarding the upcoming season's broadcasts on MTV2. As currently worded, it implies the broadcasts will feature the complete games, and this isn't so. Every source I've looked at - among them, www.dailyherald.com, www.sptimesforum.com, and www.sportsbusinessdigest.com - says that these will instead be half-hour highlight shows. Elsquared ( talk) 04:17, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
The tag says the "criticism" section's mere presence may indicate the article isn't neutral, but since most of the language from sections above reads like something from a marketing department isn't it fair to mention possible controversies? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Echo5Joker ( talk • contribs) 16:51, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
Agreed. It was changed to "reception", which is better and more neutral. However, several times in mid-2012, someone (IP 68.224.19.184) deleted the entire section wholesale without any comment. Such edits have been restored by subsequent users. Who is this user? Someone from the LFL management trying to whitewash the page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.6.137.69 ( talk) 15:08, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
All I wonder is: Have anyone out there (besides LFL management) given the league a positive review? All I see in the section is mainly criticisms and controversies(?) Zappa O Mati 15:19, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
This is the entire extent of 68.224.19.184's contributions to this date:
03:58, 19 September 2012 (diff | hist) . . (-378) . . Lingerie Football League
03:57, 19 September 2012 (diff | hist) . . (-4,535) . . Lingerie Football League (→Reception) (Tag: section blanking)
04:57, 17 September 2012 (diff | hist) . . (-404) . . Lingerie Football League
04:56, 17 September 2012 (diff | hist) . . (-4,535) . . Lingerie Football League (→Reception) (Tag: section blanking)
15:45, 13 September 2012 (diff | hist) . . (-649) . . File:LFL logo.jpg (←Replaced content with '== Summary ==') (Tag: image template modification)
15:42, 13 September 2012 (diff | hist) . . (-336) . . Lingerie Football League
01:01, 7 September 2012 (diff | hist) . . (-106) . . Lingerie Football League (→External links)
00:59, 7 September 2012 (diff | hist) . . (-4,535) . . Lingerie Football League (→Reception) (Tag: section blanking)
09:32, 18 June 2012 (diff | hist) . . (-4,535) . . Lingerie Football League (→Reception) (Tag: section blanking)
At what point does that IP get banned from editing? — Preceding
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Hi, I just moved the Lingerie Football League page to Legends Football League, as the league was officially renamed as of January 10, 2013. Is there a Wikipedia way to deal with the way the league is referenced in the article? Should all mentions of Lingerie Football League be changed to Legends Football League?
Also, this page will need a new logo, as the logo for LFL has also been changed.
Thanks, Natg 19 ( talk) 18:51, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
Surely there ought to be some mention of the Toronto Triump strike? It seems important if nearly an entire roster quits in a young league. -- Matthew Proctor ( talk) 02:29, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
Can this really be described as " American football", instead of North American football/ gridiron football ? Isn't it a bit too different to be called "American football"? (as different or more different than Canadian football) -- 65.92.180.137 ( talk) 02:43, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
I'm attempting to keep this from turning into an edit war, so I'll just state it here. Recently, me and an IP have been reverting over the addition of the LFL Australia teams list, which I stated is already verified, and per WP:CRYSTAL, as long as it's verifiable and almost certain to occur, it can be kept. The IP then stated that no sources in Australia exist of it, so I've provided some of them (I think they're from Australia) here: [1] [2] [3]. Zappa O Mati 04:23, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
There's some disagreement about whether to include the following paragraph, added by 166.137.209.156 on 26 September:
Since mid-2014, such magazines and websites as Forbes, Sports Illustrated, and Bleacher Report, have begun to recognize the legitimacy of the Legends Football League and its athletes. Fitness magazines such as Fitness RX and Shape have begun to publish stories on the workouts and preparations of the LFL athletes. Critics have started changing there view as the product shown has changed from a sexually-charged gimmick to an organization focused on the pure beauty and athleticism of the women featured and the heart that they put into the game. The Legends Football League is starting to be seen as a legit contender in the world of sports. [reference: http://www.forbes.com/sites/markjburns/2014/09/06/with-series-of-bold-moves-legends-football-league-aims-to-become-global-sports-property
My position is that the cited source does not support the claim made. The Forbes article does not say that LFL is starting to be seen as legitimate. It says that Mitch Mortaza, the founder and chairman of the LFL, says the LFL is starting to be seen as legitimate. If we're to include that claim at all, we need to make it very clear that it's a claim made by a man with a financial interest in the LFL, not by any neutral commentator. But personally, I don't think this is even worth including. Of course the LFL founder and chairman is going to say that. How is that even interesting? We don't write that the chair of Coca-Cola says Coke is terrific, because that's exactly what anyone would expect him to say. The statement has zero encyclopedic value. The Adrian J. Hunter( talk• contribs) 12:39, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
I agree. I think the removal is necessary. His quotes have been found to be lies and glamorizations designed to cover up alot of scams and shortcuts he has taken in operating this "league". Toronto Triumph had it right in leaving the league. The criticisms speak the truth of the league, remove this source and these lies.
Nate001 (
talk)
05:56, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
Why the use of hot pink in the title? Really hard on the eyes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.199.56.229 ( talk) 08:23, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
Placed an add on under the LFL Australia banner that I'm not sure is completely accurate, but want your opinion on. The add on states that it will never be back in Australia because of lack of players. Looks like it was removed once by an IP but I put it back (that's my IP that shows up because at the time I couldnt remember my login). Personally, the only source I've seen came from the Ladies Gridiron League but no reliable news sources. On the other side, the IP that removed it claimed the LFL said it would for sure be back in Australia, but there's been no substantial news there either. So I ask, is this something we feel should be removed from the subject, or just reworded to state its status is up in the air? Nate001 ( talk) 06:59, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
Update: So, still no solid evidence either way. Another IP has removed the info in the article, and due to no solid articles either way, I feel it should stay that way, gone for good. Nate001 ( talk) 04:50, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
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As the Extreme Football League is essentially another rebrand of the LFL, I'm editing the article accordingly. But, otherwise, should the "X League" be given its own page instead? The XFL (2020) was given its own page and, unlike the X League, looks to be a complete revamp of the original XFL (2001), removing all the WWE-esque gimmicks and elements. MarcoPolo250 ( talk) 15:47, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
User:Yosemiter, unless you can find hard evidence that this is anything but another rebrand, stop changing the article. It's simple as that. MarcoPolo250 ( talk) 20:09, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
Somebody needs to either change the page title to Extreme Football League or change the intro back to Legends Football League. The current version is junk and makes us look incompetent. -- Khajidha ( talk) 17:03, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
The league's first seasonis called marketing; the league can say whatever it wants. Independent media (which is what Wikipedia is primarily based on) can also read through such claims. Mitch Mortaza is still heavily involved ( as seen here) and all the old LFL social media pages were literally only renamed when the rebrand took effect (go ahead and look a the "Page created" parameter at their Facebook page and their Twitter as "Joined March 2009"). They are clearly a continuation in both independent media and their own history. Honestly, if anything, this page could be edited further to remove the seasons (they already have their own pages) and that would cut it way down. Yosemiter ( talk) 19:51, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
In the THREE YEARS since the league's restructuring, the name of this article should have already been changed. Instead, it's been wasted on stupid debates. The Extreme Football League begins play this Friday, and it's Wikipedia page is still as outdated and useless as its ever been. Yet another example of donations going to waste on this website. Thecleanerand ( talk) 12:23, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. X-League retargeted to X League. ( non-admin closure) Clyde! Franklin! 01:30, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
– The LFL has rebranded and is now known as "X League". The Japanese league should be moved as well, the hyphen is not sufficient disambiguation. Note that the existence of X-League Indoor Football prevents the use of something like X League (United States). 162 etc. ( talk) 04:45, 3 November 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mello hi! ( 投稿) 07:30, 11 November 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. — Ingenuity ( talk • contribs) 21:18, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
One of the photographs is of three players wearing the same uniform, but the caption says ä player . . . ." 2600:6C67:1C00:5F7E:DB2E:DF73:29AF:1481 ( talk) 05:12, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
Noticed that the current activities are missing here. Cant edit from phone so just posting this note. Heres some more current info in a related article:
/info/en/?search=Chicago_Blitz_(X_League) DrMel ( talk) 03:39, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
I'm writing here to alert editors of a major factual error with this article in that it conflates two distinct subjects. In short, the error is that the X-League is not a continuation of the Legends Football League, but a distinct entity that did not exist before 2020.
The article states the the X-League is a rebrand of the Legends Football League. There are several media publications used to support this, but these are likely using one another as sources and further propagating the mistake. X-League management members have been in touch with the primary publications used to support this and corrections are pending. The publications are:
The main indication that this is wrong is that the Legends Football League still exits and plays games. Please see https://www.lflus.com/.
The actions that I am requesting to correct this are:
Thanks for taking the time to consider this and I know everyone here is dedicated to keeping Wikipedia as accurate as possible. Looking to build consensus, so I'm open to discussions around opposing views on this article split.
SBCornelius (
talk)
16:03, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
Please use WP:PROPSPLIT
Regards, Spintendo 16:33, 10 July 2023 (UTC)