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It's not surprising that the article describes lingerie as dating back to the late 19th century and chiefly begun in the 20th century because it seems that's what many people believe.
But that is an inaccurate picture of its history.
In fact, the design and use of lingerie goes much further back than the 19th century and has been the subject of scholarly investigation.
In July 2008, a team led by Innsbruck University began archaelogical research at Lengsberg Castle in the Austrian Tyrol. The team made discoveries that included a number of items of underwear which, by form and use, could only be called medieval lingeries. Some 5 items were obviously brassieres. The link below goes to a paper produced at the Innsbruck University which describes lingerie being dated to at least the 15th century and cites a supporting (no pun intended) contemporary account of the perceived use of what were essentially brassieres.
Could somebody add a section to the article please?
The paper is at
[1]
https://web.archive.org/web/20160206041713/http://www.uibk.ac.at/urgeschichte/projekte_forschung/textilien-lengberg/medieval-lingerie-from-lengberg-castle-east-tyrol.html
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Antique Rose can you give a rationale for why you reverted my change here as you didn't provide an edit summary for me to work with?
My reason for change was explained in my edit summary, but to reiterate - the old image has weird mood-lighting, and was fairly low resolution. The replaced image has natural light, is higher resolution, and still meets the same description of the old image. Can you clarify why you are against it? Thanks. Chaheel Riens ( talk) 10:51, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
You should really, as you're the one trying to use it as a rationale. You've made a claim that an image currently tagged as being correctly licensed is in fact not correctly licensed. Please prove it. Chaheel Riens ( talk) 23:30, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
You will have to explain how to upload and how you are getting your resutls, because they are different to those I showed above. Simply saying "it's a copyvio" is not sufficient - you need to actually prove it. I could just as equally say that I am the model in question, and I've released the image into the public domain - just google it, and you'll see I'm right. In the meantime, stop edit warring while we discuss this. Stop inserting contested images. Chaheel Riens ( talk) 22:10, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
I've given it a month and there's been no input regarding this, so I'm replacing the File:LingerieGalore.jpg image with the File:Model in white lingerie at Western Canada Fashion Week 2016 Spring - Edmonton.jpg image, as proposed above.
My rationale is the same as above, but to reiterate - this image shows lingerie being worn, has better light and clarity than the original it replaces, and the Lingeriegalore image is essentially the same style as File:Knickers1.jpg already in the article. Chaheel Riens ( talk) 14:02, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
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It's not surprising that the article describes lingerie as dating back to the late 19th century and chiefly begun in the 20th century because it seems that's what many people believe.
But that is an inaccurate picture of its history.
In fact, the design and use of lingerie goes much further back than the 19th century and has been the subject of scholarly investigation.
In July 2008, a team led by Innsbruck University began archaelogical research at Lengsberg Castle in the Austrian Tyrol. The team made discoveries that included a number of items of underwear which, by form and use, could only be called medieval lingeries. Some 5 items were obviously brassieres. The link below goes to a paper produced at the Innsbruck University which describes lingerie being dated to at least the 15th century and cites a supporting (no pun intended) contemporary account of the perceived use of what were essentially brassieres.
Could somebody add a section to the article please?
The paper is at
[1]
https://web.archive.org/web/20160206041713/http://www.uibk.ac.at/urgeschichte/projekte_forschung/textilien-lengberg/medieval-lingerie-from-lengberg-castle-east-tyrol.html
2600:1700:EA01:1090:9839:3E2C:891F:A5F2 (
talk)
07:31, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
References
Antique Rose can you give a rationale for why you reverted my change here as you didn't provide an edit summary for me to work with?
My reason for change was explained in my edit summary, but to reiterate - the old image has weird mood-lighting, and was fairly low resolution. The replaced image has natural light, is higher resolution, and still meets the same description of the old image. Can you clarify why you are against it? Thanks. Chaheel Riens ( talk) 10:51, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
You should really, as you're the one trying to use it as a rationale. You've made a claim that an image currently tagged as being correctly licensed is in fact not correctly licensed. Please prove it. Chaheel Riens ( talk) 23:30, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
You will have to explain how to upload and how you are getting your resutls, because they are different to those I showed above. Simply saying "it's a copyvio" is not sufficient - you need to actually prove it. I could just as equally say that I am the model in question, and I've released the image into the public domain - just google it, and you'll see I'm right. In the meantime, stop edit warring while we discuss this. Stop inserting contested images. Chaheel Riens ( talk) 22:10, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
I've given it a month and there's been no input regarding this, so I'm replacing the File:LingerieGalore.jpg image with the File:Model in white lingerie at Western Canada Fashion Week 2016 Spring - Edmonton.jpg image, as proposed above.
My rationale is the same as above, but to reiterate - this image shows lingerie being worn, has better light and clarity than the original it replaces, and the Lingeriegalore image is essentially the same style as File:Knickers1.jpg already in the article. Chaheel Riens ( talk) 14:02, 21 February 2022 (UTC)