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Is he the Patron of this Charity? BubbleChog 12:10, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
This is in reference to the following introductory sentence:
It's NPOV. The term "disgraced" itself implies some kind of disapproval, which is opinion and thus POV. It's also redundant, because the next sentence in that article tells us enough about his later career without having to color our perceptions of him.
A better alternative would be "former", I believe, since that is descriptive enough without coloring the article with a potentially POV position. So that's what I've done. — T-Boy: ( complain bitterly) ( laugh contemptuously) 07:32, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
And BOB, his OBE was before he was dsigraced, He's disgraced and teh IAAF ban proves it. Robsteadman 07:12, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
I think it may be useful to append a definition here:
dis·grace (ds-grs) n. 1. Loss of honour, respect, or reputation; shame. 2. The condition of being strongly and generally disapproved. 3. One that brings disfavor or discredit: "Your handwriting is a disgrace." tr.v. dis·graced, dis·grac·ing, dis·grac·es 1. To bring shame or dishonour on: disgraced the entire community. 2. To deprive of favour or good repute; treat with disfavour: "The family was disgraced by the scandal."
The question therefore is: does the strength of the word merit inclusion in this instance? My own view is that while evidence did come to light (albeit after he had retired professionally) he was not stripped of ANY medals he had won prior to this. To put it another way, if we are going to use 'disgraced' for an athlete like Christie, what adjective might be reserved for Ben Johnson, which (if you look) does NOT include the word 'disgraced' or indeed any similar word in the introductory paragraph? -- Stevouk 11:27, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
The vterm is widely used on wikipedia to describe such persons - if there are some it is not on then it shoud be added. Maybe it is not on all drug cheat athletes because disgraced suggests they were held in high esteem and then fell because of their dishonesty? I have reverted, I really see no reason why he cannot be described as disgraced unless you are going to remove it from all other introductory paras throughout wikipedia. Robsteadman 11:25, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
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Just watched a program on BBC1 titled "You can't fire me, I'm famous!" which examined Linford's fall from grace. In it he commented that his deal with Puma was not withdrawn, but actually was due to run out at the time the press reported it's withdrawal. He even stated that he still has a 'good relationship' with puma and still does work for them.
Don't know how to cite this referring to net sources (wikinoob) but it seems an important change to the article.-- Harveymuso 22:30, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
Is there any confirmation out there that he trained with the Australian Rugby League club Manly-Warringah Sea Eagles but could not get insurance to play. Londo06 ( talk) 08:26, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
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I doubt that the discussion of Christie's track attire is appropriate. While he may have been a pioneer in wearing form-fitting track suits, they are in common use today. Hence, the extended "lunch box" discussion may not be encyclopedic in tone. I would delete that paragraph, or place it in the historic context of a transition to the currently accepted norm. Racepacket ( talk) 13:31, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
It is often reported that Linford Christie made the quote, and in truth he did, but (I am sure, and I will try to find citations) his quote came after consulting Colin Jackson (the 110m World Record Holder) on how he could improve his start, and "Colin told [me] to go on the B of the Bang". 195.38.93.206 ( talk) 14:24, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
Disgraced Drug Cheat? That is opinion... lets stick to the facts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.5.220.153 ( talk) 01:03, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
There seems to be a key oversight in this article: that is that Linford Christie's break-through race was the 1986 European Indoor Championships (March 86) at which he was the surprise winner of the 200m. Indeed there is no coverage at all of his many outstanding indoor performances subsequent to that. I am not a Wikipedia poster but suggest anyone wishing to amend the article accordingly start by visiting the following site: http://athleticssuperstars.tripod.com/Linford_Christie.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.30.76.3 ( talk) 10:49, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
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Is he the Patron of this Charity? BubbleChog 12:10, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
This is in reference to the following introductory sentence:
It's NPOV. The term "disgraced" itself implies some kind of disapproval, which is opinion and thus POV. It's also redundant, because the next sentence in that article tells us enough about his later career without having to color our perceptions of him.
A better alternative would be "former", I believe, since that is descriptive enough without coloring the article with a potentially POV position. So that's what I've done. — T-Boy: ( complain bitterly) ( laugh contemptuously) 07:32, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
And BOB, his OBE was before he was dsigraced, He's disgraced and teh IAAF ban proves it. Robsteadman 07:12, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
I think it may be useful to append a definition here:
dis·grace (ds-grs) n. 1. Loss of honour, respect, or reputation; shame. 2. The condition of being strongly and generally disapproved. 3. One that brings disfavor or discredit: "Your handwriting is a disgrace." tr.v. dis·graced, dis·grac·ing, dis·grac·es 1. To bring shame or dishonour on: disgraced the entire community. 2. To deprive of favour or good repute; treat with disfavour: "The family was disgraced by the scandal."
The question therefore is: does the strength of the word merit inclusion in this instance? My own view is that while evidence did come to light (albeit after he had retired professionally) he was not stripped of ANY medals he had won prior to this. To put it another way, if we are going to use 'disgraced' for an athlete like Christie, what adjective might be reserved for Ben Johnson, which (if you look) does NOT include the word 'disgraced' or indeed any similar word in the introductory paragraph? -- Stevouk 11:27, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
The vterm is widely used on wikipedia to describe such persons - if there are some it is not on then it shoud be added. Maybe it is not on all drug cheat athletes because disgraced suggests they were held in high esteem and then fell because of their dishonesty? I have reverted, I really see no reason why he cannot be described as disgraced unless you are going to remove it from all other introductory paras throughout wikipedia. Robsteadman 11:25, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
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Just watched a program on BBC1 titled "You can't fire me, I'm famous!" which examined Linford's fall from grace. In it he commented that his deal with Puma was not withdrawn, but actually was due to run out at the time the press reported it's withdrawal. He even stated that he still has a 'good relationship' with puma and still does work for them.
Don't know how to cite this referring to net sources (wikinoob) but it seems an important change to the article.-- Harveymuso 22:30, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
Is there any confirmation out there that he trained with the Australian Rugby League club Manly-Warringah Sea Eagles but could not get insurance to play. Londo06 ( talk) 08:26, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
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I doubt that the discussion of Christie's track attire is appropriate. While he may have been a pioneer in wearing form-fitting track suits, they are in common use today. Hence, the extended "lunch box" discussion may not be encyclopedic in tone. I would delete that paragraph, or place it in the historic context of a transition to the currently accepted norm. Racepacket ( talk) 13:31, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
It is often reported that Linford Christie made the quote, and in truth he did, but (I am sure, and I will try to find citations) his quote came after consulting Colin Jackson (the 110m World Record Holder) on how he could improve his start, and "Colin told [me] to go on the B of the Bang". 195.38.93.206 ( talk) 14:24, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
Disgraced Drug Cheat? That is opinion... lets stick to the facts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.5.220.153 ( talk) 01:03, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
There seems to be a key oversight in this article: that is that Linford Christie's break-through race was the 1986 European Indoor Championships (March 86) at which he was the surprise winner of the 200m. Indeed there is no coverage at all of his many outstanding indoor performances subsequent to that. I am not a Wikipedia poster but suggest anyone wishing to amend the article accordingly start by visiting the following site: http://athleticssuperstars.tripod.com/Linford_Christie.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.30.76.3 ( talk) 10:49, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
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