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There seriously need to be a better article about Lin Biao, who was one of the most significant figures of PRC history. Colipon 19:57, 3 Sep 2003 (UTC)
On the "Revolutionary" section I read the following quote:
"With Mao Zedong, Lin Biao shared the distinction of being one of the few Red commanders never wounded. Engaged on the front in more than a hundred battles, in field command for more than 10 years, exposed to every hardship that his men have known, with a reward of $100,000 on his head, he miraculously remained unhurt and in good health. "
But in the "Second Sino-Japanese War (the War of Resistance Against Japan, 1937-1945)" section I read the following account:
After the Battle of Pingxingguan, the Chinese troops captured many of the personal items that belonged to Imperial Japanese Army personnel. Among them is a cloak and a katana which was favored by Lin. He tried the cloak on and took the katana by his side, jumped onto a horse and went for a ride. He was then spotted alone by one of the sharpshooters from Fu Zuoyi's troops, who later became the mayor of Beijing after surrendering the city of Beijing to the Communists. The soldier was surprised to see a Japanese officer riding a horse in the desolated hills all by himself. He took an aim at Lin Biao in the head and severely injured him. Lin was then given the post of commandant of the Military Academy at Yan'an in 1938. He spent the next three years (1939–1942) in Moscow. After returning to Yan'an, Lin was involved in troop training and indoctrination assignments.
Well...which one is it? Was he wounded or not? There are two contradictory accounts on this. Please correct. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.88.212.43 ( talk) 19:05, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
They simply ignore evidence that does not fit their prejudices. I've detailed some of it elsewhere. (Wikipedia is acting up so I can't give the exact link. But see Luding Bridge for detailed evidence against one of her widely-reported claims.
Everyone except Chang & Halliday regards Edgar Snow as reliable. Read his later books, which show a critical judgements.
I'm happy that extra sources have been added, and Mao's doctor is a reputable source.
-- GwydionM 18:18, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
Check [1] here for a critical survey of Chang & Halliday by someone who's just as much hostile to Mao, but more concerned with facts and proof. -- GwydionM 17:59, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
I've added some material from Edgar Snow's works, making it clear that Lin was a gifted military leader. Included his replacement of Peng as Defence Minister, and that issues of military professionalism were important.
I've also corrected the assignment of a 1937 battle to World War Two. Removed an unsourced claim that Lin Biao opposed the Korean war. Split the article into sections, making it easier for more details to be added.
I've left alone the story about a planned coup or assassination, though frankly I don't believe it. Assassination has never been part of Chinese Commuist politics. But Lin would have had no hope of staging a coup if Mao opposed it What I think happened is that he knew he was due to be replaced, lose his position and be subject to imprisonment or 're-education'. So he decided to flee to the USSR as a refuge until Mao died. Had this succeeded, he would have been a formidable rallying-point for old-style Maoists in the years after Mao's death.
The crash itself seems very suspicious - why did a brilliant general not notice his aircraft was short of fuel? Why didn't the pilot seek some other airport when the fuel showed low? There may have been some sort of subtle sabotage.
I have added the widespread view that Lin opposed the raprochement with the USA.
-- GwydionM 16:36, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
There seems to be nothing in English that gives details of the military career of Lin Biao or the other Chinese Communist generals. The best I've seen are a couple of books about the Long March, which give broad outlines in a couple of paragraphs. It's an odd gap in Anglo knowledge.
-- GwydionM 20:05, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
One mistake. It was Yen Hsi-shan's troop that shot Lin after the ambush at Pingxingguan. I know some about Lin and other Chinese generals. However, my English is poor ...
-- zhxb515 18:05, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
i think there is no place in an encyclopedia to give the opinions of writers. there is too much inpropriate details about Lin's life and thoughts. why not noly concentrate on facts ?? (what's more' all the writers are American I believe). I propose that some quotations should be erased from this article. (sorry for my English'
83.204.72.149 17:02, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
This article needs some serious clean-up. It's a good start, and I like that there's a picture, and some good section divisions. But there are way too many quotes and not nearly enough regular prose text. The sections on the Sino-Japanese War and Chinese Civil War could presumably be expanded, and the intro definitely needs some work. If this was in fact one of the most famous and important people in Communist Chinese history, I don't get that impression from the introduction, nor do I know why he would be considered important. An introduction paragraph should give a summary or overview of everything the casual reader needs to know about the subject. LordAmeth 17:32, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
Are any details known about Biao's personal life? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 129.64.99.48 ( talk) 23:59, 16 March 2007 (UTC).
Does anyone think Lin didn't die in 1971? If so, who? Cite them.
While the cause of the falling out and the plane crash remain speculative, the fact that they happened seems unquestionable. Presumably the USSR confirmed Lin's death after examining the wreckage.
Dubious historical analysis about what it was 'likely' was going on should be left out of the article, unless an authority can be cited.-- Jack Upland 19:12, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
The article says that no planes entered Mongolian airspace because of the high cost of fuel at the time. This may well be the case, but it sounds very odd on two counts:
I completely agree, Yaan. This is complete nonsense, without any basis in fact. I'll go ahead and remove it, unless someone puts it back. Radchenk ( talk) 20:12, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
I thought I would add this interesting piece of evidence, which I obtained at one stage from a Mongolian source. This is a report prepared by the Mongolian investigators at the scene of the crash. It is actually quite lengthy, and as far as I am aware, is not yet widely available, or cited in any literature, with a possible exception of a recent Chinese book on Lin Biao. The report claims that the plane had plenty of fuel on board at the time of the crash, and suggests pilot error as the reason. It also provides a list of fatalities with detailed descriptions. Radchenk ( talk) 12:55, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
Shouldn't his time in Office have an explanatory footnote? It may be true, but it is confusing that he remained in office until four years after his death. 66.183.134.135 ( talk) 17:35, 20 October 2008 (UTC)crf
'Lin, unlike Mao, did not have a history of making compromises and retreats when it suited him.' Is this sentence too opionated for wikipedia? MarquisCostello ( talk) 15:54, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
The closing paragraph from the opening overview of this article states, "Lin was considered by many to be one of the best commanders of the PLA, with only Su Yu and Liu Bocheng next to him."
While I don't doubt that "many" considered Lin to be one of the best commanders of the PLA (I've seen this stated several times,) the ending, "with only Su Yu and Liu Bocheng next to him" seems superfluous and somewhat subjective for an article ostensibly focused on Lin Biao. I've never seen nor heard any other source lumping these particular three together in such a way, and unless you can find "many" referenced sources that do, this Lin Biao article shouldn't either. Thank you. 114.148.181.118 ( talk) 10:44, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
The statement that "Lin was considered by many to be one of the best commanders of the PLA, with only Su Yu and Liu Bocheng next to him" was added in three pieces by three different people from July to October last year. Obviously there can therefore be no single source for this strange claim, yet at one point it was credited to "People From Hubei: Lin Biao, Xiang Zhongfa, Zhiyi, Chen Xilian, Li Yuanhong, Han Xianchu, Sun Lu-T'ang, Lee Huan, Xu Shiyou, Li Xiaoshuang". Amazon.com. May 24, 2010. http://www.msnsportsnet.com/page.cfm?story=13500&cat=exclusives. Retrieved August 25, 2010. This is a double joke. The "book" titled "People from Hubei" is in fact a printed version of this very article. A nice example of recursive citation. Moreover, instead of simply linking to Amazon.com, this source is linked to the sports news page listed above. Humorous, but I still deleted the whole thing, since no one has given a competent source for such claims and comparisons. Rgr09 ( talk) 14:01, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
The official rules apply in wiki is to tell the fact instead of opinions and judgements. It is true that most of sources will consider Lin Biao, Su Yu, Peng De Huai and Liu Bocheng as top generals of PLA, but the rank between those are never a consensus. With that being said, it is better to simply list the fact that Lin Biao ranks the third in ten Marshals, Liu Bocheng ranks the fifth. — Preceding
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[2] According to professor Hu Xingdou. I'll see if there's an English translation available.-- PCPP ( talk) 16:50, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
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The article originally described Lin Biao as a "protege" of Zhou Enlai and Vasily Blyukher while at Whampoa, and has now been changed to read that Lin was "close to" Blyukher while at Whampoa. Both are incorrect. Lin was a member of the fourth class of Whampoa, which officially attended from October 1925 to October 1926 (see the entry for Lin in Klein and Clark's Biographic Dictionary of Chinese Communism). At some point in 1926, probably March, Lin was transferred to Ye Ting's Independent Regiment. Ye and his regiment were dispatched into Hunan in advance of the Northern Expedition in May 1926. Blyukher, on the other hand, left Canton in early July 1925 after a conflict with Borodin (see Wilbur and How's Missionaries of Revolution, p. 9 and 160), and did not return until mid-May 1926 (Wilbur and How p. 312), by which time Lin was in Hunan. It is therefore impossible that Blyukher met Lin at Whampoa. While it is possible that Blyukher met Lin sometime between May 1926 and August 1927, when Blyukher left China for the last time, I know of no documentation for this claim. Unless there is some reference that can support a relation between the two, I suggest deleting this sentence. Rgr09 ( talk) 12:37, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
On Chinese Wikipedia there is a discussion of Lin having prophesized that the Wehrmacht would go around the Maginot Line and outflank the French (Isn’t that what the Schlieffen plan and Halder’s plan are?).
In addition, supposedly Lin predicted that Hitler, rather than spearheading towards the Ukraine, will attack via “an entire front from the Baltic to the Carpathians”, and “will attempt to seize Moscow.” (??)
Both of these “predictions” appear rather pedestrian, if not incorrect. So as an admirer of Lin’s other military accomplishments, I’d interested in how factual all this talk is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oyomei980 ( talk • contribs) 05:21, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
The passage "One soldier shot at Lin's limousine as it left Beijing", and in the earlier paragraph about the Shanghaiguan airport being X km away from "Beijing", is this a mistake? Is it supposed to say "Beidaihe" instead? Colipon+( Talk) 21:30, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
This man was referred to as Lin Piao for many years both during his life and after. The Time Life cover of 1966 used that spelling, and Lin Piao's advice to, "Study Chairman Mao's writings,follow his teachings and act according to his instructions" included in the Quotations From Chairman Mao Tse-Tung (sometimes known as The Thoughts of Mao Tse Tung) was signed "Lin Piao".
When did it change and how did that change come about? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.187.233.172 ( talk) 23:40, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
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Lin biographer Jin Qiu, what exactly is her surname and what is her given name? It is unclear since she published her works in the United States. Colipon+( Talk) 00:44, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
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Hello;
Despite the above claims, it seems Lin Baio commanded the Chinese "volunteers" in Korea in late 1950. He ceded command about 1 February 1951. This from Robert F. Futrell's The United States Air Force in Kore, where he is extensively mentioned.
Because the information given there pertains only to air operations, and is thus only partial coverage, I did not alter the article. However, I am posting this as a "heads up" for future editors. It seems there should be some source somewhere for events in his command of ground troops.
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The article originally had a section on the current status of Lin in the PRC which read:
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There seriously need to be a better article about Lin Biao, who was one of the most significant figures of PRC history. Colipon 19:57, 3 Sep 2003 (UTC)
On the "Revolutionary" section I read the following quote:
"With Mao Zedong, Lin Biao shared the distinction of being one of the few Red commanders never wounded. Engaged on the front in more than a hundred battles, in field command for more than 10 years, exposed to every hardship that his men have known, with a reward of $100,000 on his head, he miraculously remained unhurt and in good health. "
But in the "Second Sino-Japanese War (the War of Resistance Against Japan, 1937-1945)" section I read the following account:
After the Battle of Pingxingguan, the Chinese troops captured many of the personal items that belonged to Imperial Japanese Army personnel. Among them is a cloak and a katana which was favored by Lin. He tried the cloak on and took the katana by his side, jumped onto a horse and went for a ride. He was then spotted alone by one of the sharpshooters from Fu Zuoyi's troops, who later became the mayor of Beijing after surrendering the city of Beijing to the Communists. The soldier was surprised to see a Japanese officer riding a horse in the desolated hills all by himself. He took an aim at Lin Biao in the head and severely injured him. Lin was then given the post of commandant of the Military Academy at Yan'an in 1938. He spent the next three years (1939–1942) in Moscow. After returning to Yan'an, Lin was involved in troop training and indoctrination assignments.
Well...which one is it? Was he wounded or not? There are two contradictory accounts on this. Please correct. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.88.212.43 ( talk) 19:05, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
They simply ignore evidence that does not fit their prejudices. I've detailed some of it elsewhere. (Wikipedia is acting up so I can't give the exact link. But see Luding Bridge for detailed evidence against one of her widely-reported claims.
Everyone except Chang & Halliday regards Edgar Snow as reliable. Read his later books, which show a critical judgements.
I'm happy that extra sources have been added, and Mao's doctor is a reputable source.
-- GwydionM 18:18, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
Check [1] here for a critical survey of Chang & Halliday by someone who's just as much hostile to Mao, but more concerned with facts and proof. -- GwydionM 17:59, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
I've added some material from Edgar Snow's works, making it clear that Lin was a gifted military leader. Included his replacement of Peng as Defence Minister, and that issues of military professionalism were important.
I've also corrected the assignment of a 1937 battle to World War Two. Removed an unsourced claim that Lin Biao opposed the Korean war. Split the article into sections, making it easier for more details to be added.
I've left alone the story about a planned coup or assassination, though frankly I don't believe it. Assassination has never been part of Chinese Commuist politics. But Lin would have had no hope of staging a coup if Mao opposed it What I think happened is that he knew he was due to be replaced, lose his position and be subject to imprisonment or 're-education'. So he decided to flee to the USSR as a refuge until Mao died. Had this succeeded, he would have been a formidable rallying-point for old-style Maoists in the years after Mao's death.
The crash itself seems very suspicious - why did a brilliant general not notice his aircraft was short of fuel? Why didn't the pilot seek some other airport when the fuel showed low? There may have been some sort of subtle sabotage.
I have added the widespread view that Lin opposed the raprochement with the USA.
-- GwydionM 16:36, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
There seems to be nothing in English that gives details of the military career of Lin Biao or the other Chinese Communist generals. The best I've seen are a couple of books about the Long March, which give broad outlines in a couple of paragraphs. It's an odd gap in Anglo knowledge.
-- GwydionM 20:05, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
One mistake. It was Yen Hsi-shan's troop that shot Lin after the ambush at Pingxingguan. I know some about Lin and other Chinese generals. However, my English is poor ...
-- zhxb515 18:05, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
i think there is no place in an encyclopedia to give the opinions of writers. there is too much inpropriate details about Lin's life and thoughts. why not noly concentrate on facts ?? (what's more' all the writers are American I believe). I propose that some quotations should be erased from this article. (sorry for my English'
83.204.72.149 17:02, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
This article needs some serious clean-up. It's a good start, and I like that there's a picture, and some good section divisions. But there are way too many quotes and not nearly enough regular prose text. The sections on the Sino-Japanese War and Chinese Civil War could presumably be expanded, and the intro definitely needs some work. If this was in fact one of the most famous and important people in Communist Chinese history, I don't get that impression from the introduction, nor do I know why he would be considered important. An introduction paragraph should give a summary or overview of everything the casual reader needs to know about the subject. LordAmeth 17:32, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
Are any details known about Biao's personal life? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 129.64.99.48 ( talk) 23:59, 16 March 2007 (UTC).
Does anyone think Lin didn't die in 1971? If so, who? Cite them.
While the cause of the falling out and the plane crash remain speculative, the fact that they happened seems unquestionable. Presumably the USSR confirmed Lin's death after examining the wreckage.
Dubious historical analysis about what it was 'likely' was going on should be left out of the article, unless an authority can be cited.-- Jack Upland 19:12, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
The article says that no planes entered Mongolian airspace because of the high cost of fuel at the time. This may well be the case, but it sounds very odd on two counts:
I completely agree, Yaan. This is complete nonsense, without any basis in fact. I'll go ahead and remove it, unless someone puts it back. Radchenk ( talk) 20:12, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
I thought I would add this interesting piece of evidence, which I obtained at one stage from a Mongolian source. This is a report prepared by the Mongolian investigators at the scene of the crash. It is actually quite lengthy, and as far as I am aware, is not yet widely available, or cited in any literature, with a possible exception of a recent Chinese book on Lin Biao. The report claims that the plane had plenty of fuel on board at the time of the crash, and suggests pilot error as the reason. It also provides a list of fatalities with detailed descriptions. Radchenk ( talk) 12:55, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
Shouldn't his time in Office have an explanatory footnote? It may be true, but it is confusing that he remained in office until four years after his death. 66.183.134.135 ( talk) 17:35, 20 October 2008 (UTC)crf
'Lin, unlike Mao, did not have a history of making compromises and retreats when it suited him.' Is this sentence too opionated for wikipedia? MarquisCostello ( talk) 15:54, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
The closing paragraph from the opening overview of this article states, "Lin was considered by many to be one of the best commanders of the PLA, with only Su Yu and Liu Bocheng next to him."
While I don't doubt that "many" considered Lin to be one of the best commanders of the PLA (I've seen this stated several times,) the ending, "with only Su Yu and Liu Bocheng next to him" seems superfluous and somewhat subjective for an article ostensibly focused on Lin Biao. I've never seen nor heard any other source lumping these particular three together in such a way, and unless you can find "many" referenced sources that do, this Lin Biao article shouldn't either. Thank you. 114.148.181.118 ( talk) 10:44, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
The statement that "Lin was considered by many to be one of the best commanders of the PLA, with only Su Yu and Liu Bocheng next to him" was added in three pieces by three different people from July to October last year. Obviously there can therefore be no single source for this strange claim, yet at one point it was credited to "People From Hubei: Lin Biao, Xiang Zhongfa, Zhiyi, Chen Xilian, Li Yuanhong, Han Xianchu, Sun Lu-T'ang, Lee Huan, Xu Shiyou, Li Xiaoshuang". Amazon.com. May 24, 2010. http://www.msnsportsnet.com/page.cfm?story=13500&cat=exclusives. Retrieved August 25, 2010. This is a double joke. The "book" titled "People from Hubei" is in fact a printed version of this very article. A nice example of recursive citation. Moreover, instead of simply linking to Amazon.com, this source is linked to the sports news page listed above. Humorous, but I still deleted the whole thing, since no one has given a competent source for such claims and comparisons. Rgr09 ( talk) 14:01, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
The official rules apply in wiki is to tell the fact instead of opinions and judgements. It is true that most of sources will consider Lin Biao, Su Yu, Peng De Huai and Liu Bocheng as top generals of PLA, but the rank between those are never a consensus. With that being said, it is better to simply list the fact that Lin Biao ranks the third in ten Marshals, Liu Bocheng ranks the fifth. — Preceding
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The article originally described Lin Biao as a "protege" of Zhou Enlai and Vasily Blyukher while at Whampoa, and has now been changed to read that Lin was "close to" Blyukher while at Whampoa. Both are incorrect. Lin was a member of the fourth class of Whampoa, which officially attended from October 1925 to October 1926 (see the entry for Lin in Klein and Clark's Biographic Dictionary of Chinese Communism). At some point in 1926, probably March, Lin was transferred to Ye Ting's Independent Regiment. Ye and his regiment were dispatched into Hunan in advance of the Northern Expedition in May 1926. Blyukher, on the other hand, left Canton in early July 1925 after a conflict with Borodin (see Wilbur and How's Missionaries of Revolution, p. 9 and 160), and did not return until mid-May 1926 (Wilbur and How p. 312), by which time Lin was in Hunan. It is therefore impossible that Blyukher met Lin at Whampoa. While it is possible that Blyukher met Lin sometime between May 1926 and August 1927, when Blyukher left China for the last time, I know of no documentation for this claim. Unless there is some reference that can support a relation between the two, I suggest deleting this sentence. Rgr09 ( talk) 12:37, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
On Chinese Wikipedia there is a discussion of Lin having prophesized that the Wehrmacht would go around the Maginot Line and outflank the French (Isn’t that what the Schlieffen plan and Halder’s plan are?).
In addition, supposedly Lin predicted that Hitler, rather than spearheading towards the Ukraine, will attack via “an entire front from the Baltic to the Carpathians”, and “will attempt to seize Moscow.” (??)
Both of these “predictions” appear rather pedestrian, if not incorrect. So as an admirer of Lin’s other military accomplishments, I’d interested in how factual all this talk is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oyomei980 ( talk • contribs) 05:21, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
The passage "One soldier shot at Lin's limousine as it left Beijing", and in the earlier paragraph about the Shanghaiguan airport being X km away from "Beijing", is this a mistake? Is it supposed to say "Beidaihe" instead? Colipon+( Talk) 21:30, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
This man was referred to as Lin Piao for many years both during his life and after. The Time Life cover of 1966 used that spelling, and Lin Piao's advice to, "Study Chairman Mao's writings,follow his teachings and act according to his instructions" included in the Quotations From Chairman Mao Tse-Tung (sometimes known as The Thoughts of Mao Tse Tung) was signed "Lin Piao".
When did it change and how did that change come about? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.187.233.172 ( talk) 23:40, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
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Lin biographer Jin Qiu, what exactly is her surname and what is her given name? It is unclear since she published her works in the United States. Colipon+( Talk) 00:44, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
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Despite the above claims, it seems Lin Baio commanded the Chinese "volunteers" in Korea in late 1950. He ceded command about 1 February 1951. This from Robert F. Futrell's The United States Air Force in Kore, where he is extensively mentioned.
Because the information given there pertains only to air operations, and is thus only partial coverage, I did not alter the article. However, I am posting this as a "heads up" for future editors. It seems there should be some source somewhere for events in his command of ground troops.
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The section about the Second Sino-Japanese War has Lin leaving for Moscow in 1937 after recuperating from severe wounds suffered in 1938. Would it be possible to get an expert on the subject to work on those dates? 65.102.5.142 ( talk) 04:55, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
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The article originally had a section on the current status of Lin in the PRC which read:
The only source for the entire passage is a reference to a 1999 book review by Thomas Robinson:
The review, written 20 years ago, cannot serve as a source for 'recent years'. In addition, it does not make any of the claims made in the passage. It does not say "a balanced image of Lin has reappeared in popular culture", it does not say scholars' work on Lin has "gained exposure within the official Chinese media", it does not say that his name "has re-appeared in Chinese history textbooks,' or that they are "recognizing his contributions to the victory of the Red Army." It cannot be the source for the 2007 portrait of Lin being added to a Beijing museum. All of this may be true, but it can't be added to the article without a source. I have deleted the passage for now. Real sources are needed to add these statements to the article. Rgr09 ( talk) 01:15, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
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I propose that the section "Lin Biao incident" and death
be split into a separate page called
Lin Biao incident. The section in the article is very long and well-sourced enough to make its own page, and users on this talk page have called it "probably the most notable event in PRC history that still does not have its own standalone article". There are
numerous links going to that title, so it seems like there's really a gap where it should be. Info from
Project 571 and other related pages could also be consolidated at this proposed page. Pinging frequent contributors to article: @
Ferox Seneca,
Colipon, and
Toadboy123:
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