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Hi Ahnan, do note that blogs are not reliable sources as per WP:RS. I see the blog is a political blog, which makes its neutrality in doubt. If possible, please use news sources instead.
With regards to the copyright violations, I referred to you taking the text word for word from the news sources. Despite what you think, under Wikipedia policy, taking chunks of text verbatim from news sources still constitutes copyright violation. With reference to Channelnewsasia, the site specifically states "Copyright © 2010 MediaCorp". However, you are allowed to reference the news site then paraphrase the content. Please get yourself more familiar with what is allowed and not allowed under WP:Copyright Violation policies. It would make one wonder if the rest of your edits are similarly in copyright violation, whether you are committing it on purpose or not. DanS76 ( talk) 10:50, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
You need to refer to [ and Fair Use] which states specifically that "Wikipedia is subject to US copyright law in this matter and may not host material which infringes US copyright law". All you need to work around that is to paraphrase it such that you are not using it word for word. Another revert of this in violation of wiki policies would be a violation of 3RR. 116.14.4.32 ( talk) 14:45, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
^^ What he/she said. DanS76 ( talk) 14:51, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
DanS76 who is also 116.14.4.32, pls read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:FAQ/Copyright#What_is_fair_use.3F I'm not copying the whole text, only quoting the relevant citation. It's under FAIR USE, which means copying a small part of it is permissable esp for illustration purpose and for nor-profit use. I'm keep the quote intact because this is what was reportedly he said. Go check out other wiki entries. There are entries with citations of famous people. Another revert of this is a violation of wiki policies and I shall be reporting you! Ahnan ( talk) 16:13, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons tells us that "[c]ontentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced—whether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just questionable—should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion". The material on Lim's comments on the Jack Neo affair was poorly sourced - Google calls the source a blog - and has therefore been removed. As I read the material, there was a Straits Times story about the correction. That would be a much better source. Although even if better sourced, the material might still be inappropriate and even if included would need to be handled differently. See the "Criticism and praise" section of the BLP policy page. Angus McLellan (Talk) 19:58, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
I cleaned up the references and the text a little. I guess there are cultural differences at work here but I really don't see what was so controversial about Lim Biow Chuan's actions. Like I said, cultural differences. The problem is that the incident takes up almost half the article which seems odd. It's a stub so I guess that sort of thing will happen, but is this the most notable thing he's done? SQGibbon ( talk) 21:31, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
Especially in the context of the reference given, its a post by a user of the site, not a named journalist or someone who can be held accountable for statements made. If you feel this is in doubt, feel free to debate this issue under the WP:RS. DanS76 ( talk) 04:03, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
You miss the whole point. The article is about the sex affair of a Singaporean movie director and it mentions the response of some of the politicians. How can it be not relevant! It is controversial because the public reacted angrily to Lim's response. And as history has shown, he came back to apologize. Sorry, I want to escalate this to the next level. I feel that I've been victimized by the 2 of you here. Where do complain and where can I get more respected editors to come in and take a look? Ahnan ( talk) 12:14, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
Just to weigh in, I think the wiki policy that is in contention here is undue weight on the coverage of the controversy. Right now it seems as if this politician is only known for the controversy, given the proportion of length spent on that section. I'm sure he's known for more than this controversy, but why is only the controversy getting so much "coverage" here? Am I right in saying that this is the crux of the debate here? Zhanzhao ( talk) 03:16, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
How about this, rename the "Controversy" section to "Connection to Jack Neo controversy"? SQGibbon ( talk) 05:15, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
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Hi Ahnan, do note that blogs are not reliable sources as per WP:RS. I see the blog is a political blog, which makes its neutrality in doubt. If possible, please use news sources instead.
With regards to the copyright violations, I referred to you taking the text word for word from the news sources. Despite what you think, under Wikipedia policy, taking chunks of text verbatim from news sources still constitutes copyright violation. With reference to Channelnewsasia, the site specifically states "Copyright © 2010 MediaCorp". However, you are allowed to reference the news site then paraphrase the content. Please get yourself more familiar with what is allowed and not allowed under WP:Copyright Violation policies. It would make one wonder if the rest of your edits are similarly in copyright violation, whether you are committing it on purpose or not. DanS76 ( talk) 10:50, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
You need to refer to [ and Fair Use] which states specifically that "Wikipedia is subject to US copyright law in this matter and may not host material which infringes US copyright law". All you need to work around that is to paraphrase it such that you are not using it word for word. Another revert of this in violation of wiki policies would be a violation of 3RR. 116.14.4.32 ( talk) 14:45, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
^^ What he/she said. DanS76 ( talk) 14:51, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
DanS76 who is also 116.14.4.32, pls read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:FAQ/Copyright#What_is_fair_use.3F I'm not copying the whole text, only quoting the relevant citation. It's under FAIR USE, which means copying a small part of it is permissable esp for illustration purpose and for nor-profit use. I'm keep the quote intact because this is what was reportedly he said. Go check out other wiki entries. There are entries with citations of famous people. Another revert of this is a violation of wiki policies and I shall be reporting you! Ahnan ( talk) 16:13, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons tells us that "[c]ontentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced—whether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just questionable—should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion". The material on Lim's comments on the Jack Neo affair was poorly sourced - Google calls the source a blog - and has therefore been removed. As I read the material, there was a Straits Times story about the correction. That would be a much better source. Although even if better sourced, the material might still be inappropriate and even if included would need to be handled differently. See the "Criticism and praise" section of the BLP policy page. Angus McLellan (Talk) 19:58, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
I cleaned up the references and the text a little. I guess there are cultural differences at work here but I really don't see what was so controversial about Lim Biow Chuan's actions. Like I said, cultural differences. The problem is that the incident takes up almost half the article which seems odd. It's a stub so I guess that sort of thing will happen, but is this the most notable thing he's done? SQGibbon ( talk) 21:31, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
Especially in the context of the reference given, its a post by a user of the site, not a named journalist or someone who can be held accountable for statements made. If you feel this is in doubt, feel free to debate this issue under the WP:RS. DanS76 ( talk) 04:03, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
You miss the whole point. The article is about the sex affair of a Singaporean movie director and it mentions the response of some of the politicians. How can it be not relevant! It is controversial because the public reacted angrily to Lim's response. And as history has shown, he came back to apologize. Sorry, I want to escalate this to the next level. I feel that I've been victimized by the 2 of you here. Where do complain and where can I get more respected editors to come in and take a look? Ahnan ( talk) 12:14, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
Just to weigh in, I think the wiki policy that is in contention here is undue weight on the coverage of the controversy. Right now it seems as if this politician is only known for the controversy, given the proportion of length spent on that section. I'm sure he's known for more than this controversy, but why is only the controversy getting so much "coverage" here? Am I right in saying that this is the crux of the debate here? Zhanzhao ( talk) 03:16, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
How about this, rename the "Controversy" section to "Connection to Jack Neo controversy"? SQGibbon ( talk) 05:15, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
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