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KEEP Light Sport Aircraft is not Ultralight Aviation. Please see the Federal Aviation Regulations for more details. 24.9.10.235 03:22, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
LSA are a separate category from "ultralight aircraft" in the US, in terms of both performance and basis of certification. Ultralights are currently regulated under FAR Part 103, while LSA are regulated as traditional aircraft.
This article is about the FAA LSA category of aircraft. They write it "Light-sport Aircraft". So should we. The hyphen is weird but it is their hyphen. But the A is capitalised. The term was NOT in common usage before the FAA invented it. It is a proper name. (When the term is in common use, if ever, to refer to aircraft which are generally of lighter weight and generally of sporty character then we need an article "light sport aircraft". No caps, no hypen.) Article renamed to capitalise the A. Paul Beardsell 07:55, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
Shouldn't this article be titled "Light-Sport Aircraft" if it is the proper name referring to the FAA category, or Light-sport aircraft if it is converted to Wiki standard caps? Dhaluza 14:00, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Is it not useful to be able to distinguish between "light sport aircraft" - which before the FAA's introduction of the new category, would have meant something like a Pitts Special or a Super Decathlon or a RV6, and "Light-sport Aircraft"? Paul Beardsell 22:54, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Paragraph three begins, "LSA may be operated by holders of a Sport Pilot certificate, as opposed to a private, recreational, or higher pilot certificate, as do conventionally certificated aircraft." The implication is that holders of higher pilot certificates may not operate LSA. In actuality the reverse is true, holders of higher certificates may operate any aircraft for which they are rated (including LSA) while holders of a Sport Pilot certificate may only operate aircraft which meet the definition of the LSA category.
Paragraph eight reads, "In addition to aircraft specifically designed to meet the LSA requirements, certain certificated aircraft, such as the original Piper Cub, happen to fall within the definition of a light-sport aircraft and can be operated by individuals holding FAA Sport Pilot certificates. The aircraft can not be re-certificated as LSA, however; although Sport Pilots may operate conventionally certificated aircraft that fall within the definition of an LSA, the aircraft themselves continue to be certificated in their original categories." Within the context of this paragraph, I believe the phrases, "certain certificated aircraft" and, "conventionally certificated aircraft" might be more accurate if replaced with the phrase, "standard category aircraft."
Froghair 02:57, 3 July 2007 (UTC)froghair
Rather than move the public Mermaid Amphibian Wiki into Wikipedia whole, I added an external reference to the head of that Wiki as a Footnote appearing in a new section "Notes". The Mermaid Wiki is non-commercial. Schwenn 19:20, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
I read about this category which "Is certified by the manufacturer to meet a set of industry-developed "consensus standards" that specify design, testing, manufacturing, and quality control requirements. Note that, unlike type certificated "standard" aircraft, the FAA is not at all involved in the design, testing, manufacturing, and quality control of S-LSAs." Some kit mfgs. also make S-LSAs, and I do find some mentions of such aircraft on Wikipedia, e.g. Evektor_SportStar, but no definition of this subcategory.-- Morganw ( talk) 01:40, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
Contrary to the first line in the article, light sport aircraft is not unique to the USA. The same category exists in Australia since 2006. In Australia the definition follows generally similar guidelines to those of the USA (same weight limits, seats, one engine, fixed landing gear, visual flying, ...), but also has more generous components (no speed limit, adjustable prop). LSA is a different category to microlight/ultralight and should not be merged. Bandediron ( talk) 06:50, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
I have referred to this page many times over the past several years as a quick way to refresh myself on the FAA's LSA requirements, only to remember each time that they aren't here. A list of aircraft that may meet the FAA requirements IS present, begging the question, "Why would there be a list of members of a certain set without including a definition of the set? In other words, no one's ever added the FAA's LSA requirements to the article, even though the article is somewhat USA FAA-centric already given the list of FAA LSA aircraft.
If one is there, the other should be there, so I've added it. I think this article needs some reorganization, and more importantly it needs to decide whether or not it's USA-centric. Either we need a separate page for every country's LSA requirements, or we need to include them all on this page, or we need to make this an FAA LSA article. I'll leave those decisions to another edit or another editor. Voronwae ( talk) 00:24, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
Someone keeps adding text about the drivers license medical exemption being discontinued. No such change has occurred. Altaphon ( talk) 23:29, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
Please add a section about comaprision with CS-LSA. This is useful because of most producer are sitting in European area today -- 178.195.250.68 ( talk) 08:30, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
I wonder if "Max. Speed in Level Flight (at sea level at standard temperature):138 mph / 120 knots CAS" could be satisfied by a flight computer that prohibited entering that condition. For example, when flying faster, do not allow descent to sea level if the temperature is standard. Alternately, allow descent but prohibit leveling off. (!!!) This seems to meet the requirement. A bit less crazy would be to reduce power when there is a threat of entering the prohibited condition. For example, as the air warms to standard temperature, cut power, restoring full power once the air is above standard temperature. 97.104.88.146 ( talk) 08:55, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
I notice "Engines / Motors: One (max. if powered.)" and "Propeller: Fixed-pitch or ground adjustable" listed. Would the Wright Flyer qualify? There is one engine, but two propellers. Assuming that is OK, what about an opposed-piston engine that drives one propeller off of each crankshaft? 97.104.88.146 ( talk) 08:55, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
The maximum weight in pounds, in the first para, has been incorrectly converted. The max weight is 600KG (1320lbs). The FAA lists the weight in pounds as 1320 also. Dlookup ( talk) 08:21, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
Knowing the FAA it would be impossible to get a performance averaging device certified. Anything so complicated could never meet the FAA's standard for reliability. And anything that would change the flying characteristics/handling of a plane and surprise or confuse a pilot would never be allowed. They won't even allow inflight adjustable props. Pilots can become completely disorientated by merely flying through a fog bank. But it was a good thought. Dlookup ( talk) 08:21, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
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The maximum stall speed of a Light-sport aircraft appears to be rounded to 52 MPH in one section of the article, and then farther down is stated as 51 MPH. Does the other speed need to be rounded as well, or should neither of them be? Gorkypickeral ( talk) 21:17, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
These values are already out of date. And are liable to change. What purpose do they serve? Would it not be straightforward to remove them. GraemeLeggett ( talk) 08:26, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
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KEEP Light Sport Aircraft is not Ultralight Aviation. Please see the Federal Aviation Regulations for more details. 24.9.10.235 03:22, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
LSA are a separate category from "ultralight aircraft" in the US, in terms of both performance and basis of certification. Ultralights are currently regulated under FAR Part 103, while LSA are regulated as traditional aircraft.
This article is about the FAA LSA category of aircraft. They write it "Light-sport Aircraft". So should we. The hyphen is weird but it is their hyphen. But the A is capitalised. The term was NOT in common usage before the FAA invented it. It is a proper name. (When the term is in common use, if ever, to refer to aircraft which are generally of lighter weight and generally of sporty character then we need an article "light sport aircraft". No caps, no hypen.) Article renamed to capitalise the A. Paul Beardsell 07:55, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
Shouldn't this article be titled "Light-Sport Aircraft" if it is the proper name referring to the FAA category, or Light-sport aircraft if it is converted to Wiki standard caps? Dhaluza 14:00, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Is it not useful to be able to distinguish between "light sport aircraft" - which before the FAA's introduction of the new category, would have meant something like a Pitts Special or a Super Decathlon or a RV6, and "Light-sport Aircraft"? Paul Beardsell 22:54, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Paragraph three begins, "LSA may be operated by holders of a Sport Pilot certificate, as opposed to a private, recreational, or higher pilot certificate, as do conventionally certificated aircraft." The implication is that holders of higher pilot certificates may not operate LSA. In actuality the reverse is true, holders of higher certificates may operate any aircraft for which they are rated (including LSA) while holders of a Sport Pilot certificate may only operate aircraft which meet the definition of the LSA category.
Paragraph eight reads, "In addition to aircraft specifically designed to meet the LSA requirements, certain certificated aircraft, such as the original Piper Cub, happen to fall within the definition of a light-sport aircraft and can be operated by individuals holding FAA Sport Pilot certificates. The aircraft can not be re-certificated as LSA, however; although Sport Pilots may operate conventionally certificated aircraft that fall within the definition of an LSA, the aircraft themselves continue to be certificated in their original categories." Within the context of this paragraph, I believe the phrases, "certain certificated aircraft" and, "conventionally certificated aircraft" might be more accurate if replaced with the phrase, "standard category aircraft."
Froghair 02:57, 3 July 2007 (UTC)froghair
Rather than move the public Mermaid Amphibian Wiki into Wikipedia whole, I added an external reference to the head of that Wiki as a Footnote appearing in a new section "Notes". The Mermaid Wiki is non-commercial. Schwenn 19:20, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
I read about this category which "Is certified by the manufacturer to meet a set of industry-developed "consensus standards" that specify design, testing, manufacturing, and quality control requirements. Note that, unlike type certificated "standard" aircraft, the FAA is not at all involved in the design, testing, manufacturing, and quality control of S-LSAs." Some kit mfgs. also make S-LSAs, and I do find some mentions of such aircraft on Wikipedia, e.g. Evektor_SportStar, but no definition of this subcategory.-- Morganw ( talk) 01:40, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
Contrary to the first line in the article, light sport aircraft is not unique to the USA. The same category exists in Australia since 2006. In Australia the definition follows generally similar guidelines to those of the USA (same weight limits, seats, one engine, fixed landing gear, visual flying, ...), but also has more generous components (no speed limit, adjustable prop). LSA is a different category to microlight/ultralight and should not be merged. Bandediron ( talk) 06:50, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
I have referred to this page many times over the past several years as a quick way to refresh myself on the FAA's LSA requirements, only to remember each time that they aren't here. A list of aircraft that may meet the FAA requirements IS present, begging the question, "Why would there be a list of members of a certain set without including a definition of the set? In other words, no one's ever added the FAA's LSA requirements to the article, even though the article is somewhat USA FAA-centric already given the list of FAA LSA aircraft.
If one is there, the other should be there, so I've added it. I think this article needs some reorganization, and more importantly it needs to decide whether or not it's USA-centric. Either we need a separate page for every country's LSA requirements, or we need to include them all on this page, or we need to make this an FAA LSA article. I'll leave those decisions to another edit or another editor. Voronwae ( talk) 00:24, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
Someone keeps adding text about the drivers license medical exemption being discontinued. No such change has occurred. Altaphon ( talk) 23:29, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
Please add a section about comaprision with CS-LSA. This is useful because of most producer are sitting in European area today -- 178.195.250.68 ( talk) 08:30, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
I wonder if "Max. Speed in Level Flight (at sea level at standard temperature):138 mph / 120 knots CAS" could be satisfied by a flight computer that prohibited entering that condition. For example, when flying faster, do not allow descent to sea level if the temperature is standard. Alternately, allow descent but prohibit leveling off. (!!!) This seems to meet the requirement. A bit less crazy would be to reduce power when there is a threat of entering the prohibited condition. For example, as the air warms to standard temperature, cut power, restoring full power once the air is above standard temperature. 97.104.88.146 ( talk) 08:55, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
I notice "Engines / Motors: One (max. if powered.)" and "Propeller: Fixed-pitch or ground adjustable" listed. Would the Wright Flyer qualify? There is one engine, but two propellers. Assuming that is OK, what about an opposed-piston engine that drives one propeller off of each crankshaft? 97.104.88.146 ( talk) 08:55, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
The maximum weight in pounds, in the first para, has been incorrectly converted. The max weight is 600KG (1320lbs). The FAA lists the weight in pounds as 1320 also. Dlookup ( talk) 08:21, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
Knowing the FAA it would be impossible to get a performance averaging device certified. Anything so complicated could never meet the FAA's standard for reliability. And anything that would change the flying characteristics/handling of a plane and surprise or confuse a pilot would never be allowed. They won't even allow inflight adjustable props. Pilots can become completely disorientated by merely flying through a fog bank. But it was a good thought. Dlookup ( talk) 08:21, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
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The maximum stall speed of a Light-sport aircraft appears to be rounded to 52 MPH in one section of the article, and then farther down is stated as 51 MPH. Does the other speed need to be rounded as well, or should neither of them be? Gorkypickeral ( talk) 21:17, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
These values are already out of date. And are liable to change. What purpose do they serve? Would it not be straightforward to remove them. GraemeLeggett ( talk) 08:26, 16 April 2020 (UTC)