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Here's the ChromaDex website where Brenner is presented and effects of the product, TRU Niagen, are falsely presented as having benefit in humans, something that has never been proven in vivo (if it did, it would be classified and
approved as a prescription drug by the FDA).
As a supplement, TRU Niagen brings in
$17.6 million per quarter or 78% of total ChromaDex revenues, possibly revealing Brenner's true motivation for being affiliated with a supplement company, if he's getting a decent cut. That product income of about $70 million per year is being earned at the expense of a deceived public.
This presentation of Brenner as a "longevity skeptic" is quite comical, duplicitous, and hypocritical. He has solid academic credentials from a career in lab research, then joins a supplement company with a product (consistent with his research) having no basis for in vivo benefit in humans. What Sinclair, Brenner and other advocates of taking supplements with supposed anti-disease or anti-aging benefits seem to conveniently ignore is that an orally-consumed product - as for any food complex - is subjected to the acidic and enzymatic environment of the stomach, which would dissolve and break apart molecules, leaving only individual derivatives to circulate in the blood with unknown concentrations, tissue targets, or cellular properties.
Zefr (
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Hi, perhaps I should have been clear I was not suggesting its use for the article. BTW, there is nothing about Nautilus either way at
WP:RS/P, so I take issue with automatically branding it as non-WP:RS. That said, it is clear that the only sources that should be used for articles like this is articles that meet
WP:MEDRS, which this source is decidedly not. It might well be suitable for citing Brunner's opinions in
the article about him.
My main purpose in posting the citation was to stimulate discussion amongst other editors, something I often do to talk pages, especially since it cites primary studies (again, themselves not suitable for citation as WP:MEDRS requires secondary & tertiary sources, but perhaps of interest). It has elicited comment! Thank you Zefr for your critique.
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19:43, 25 May 2023 (UTC)reply
Also, while I think any medical consensus is further down the road, here is a review of the literature concerning the oral administration of NAD+ boosting compounds.
Freeberg, Kaitlin A; Udovich, Ce Ann C; Martens, Christopher R; Seals, Douglas R; Craighead, Daniel H (2023-04-17). "Dietary Supplementation With NAD+-Boosting Compounds in Humans: Current Knowledge and Future Directions". The Journals of Gerontology: Series A. Oxford University Press (OUP).
doi:
10.1093/gerona/glad106.
ISSN1079-5006.
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Here's the ChromaDex website where Brenner is presented and effects of the product, TRU Niagen, are falsely presented as having benefit in humans, something that has never been proven in vivo (if it did, it would be classified and
approved as a prescription drug by the FDA).
As a supplement, TRU Niagen brings in
$17.6 million per quarter or 78% of total ChromaDex revenues, possibly revealing Brenner's true motivation for being affiliated with a supplement company, if he's getting a decent cut. That product income of about $70 million per year is being earned at the expense of a deceived public.
This presentation of Brenner as a "longevity skeptic" is quite comical, duplicitous, and hypocritical. He has solid academic credentials from a career in lab research, then joins a supplement company with a product (consistent with his research) having no basis for in vivo benefit in humans. What Sinclair, Brenner and other advocates of taking supplements with supposed anti-disease or anti-aging benefits seem to conveniently ignore is that an orally-consumed product - as for any food complex - is subjected to the acidic and enzymatic environment of the stomach, which would dissolve and break apart molecules, leaving only individual derivatives to circulate in the blood with unknown concentrations, tissue targets, or cellular properties.
Zefr (
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17:12, 25 May 2023 (UTC)reply
Hi, perhaps I should have been clear I was not suggesting its use for the article. BTW, there is nothing about Nautilus either way at
WP:RS/P, so I take issue with automatically branding it as non-WP:RS. That said, it is clear that the only sources that should be used for articles like this is articles that meet
WP:MEDRS, which this source is decidedly not. It might well be suitable for citing Brunner's opinions in
the article about him.
My main purpose in posting the citation was to stimulate discussion amongst other editors, something I often do to talk pages, especially since it cites primary studies (again, themselves not suitable for citation as WP:MEDRS requires secondary & tertiary sources, but perhaps of interest). It has elicited comment! Thank you Zefr for your critique.
Peaceray (
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19:43, 25 May 2023 (UTC)reply
Also, while I think any medical consensus is further down the road, here is a review of the literature concerning the oral administration of NAD+ boosting compounds.
Freeberg, Kaitlin A; Udovich, Ce Ann C; Martens, Christopher R; Seals, Douglas R; Craighead, Daniel H (2023-04-17). "Dietary Supplementation With NAD+-Boosting Compounds in Humans: Current Knowledge and Future Directions". The Journals of Gerontology: Series A. Oxford University Press (OUP).
doi:
10.1093/gerona/glad106.
ISSN1079-5006.