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I wonder if there's enough basis in what wikipedians consider to be "reliable sources" to mention Hillary Clinton's role in the disintegration of Libya's government? According to an interesting op ed by Justin Raimondo, her role in the removal of Gadaffi and the subsequent breakdown in Libyan society parallels Bush II's role in the destruction of Iraq. An op-ed would of course not be suitable as a reliable source. But Raimondo does cite to sources, such as the Washington Times---but this may also be deemed a non-reliable source, i don't know. Senator Paul has called the intervention "Hillary's War" in an interview with the WSJ (2/7/2014), so perhaps her name could be drawn in on that basis (perhaps in a section called "International Reaction"). In any event, it seems bizarre not to see the words "Clinton" or even "United States" in an article about events manifestly caused or at least catalyzed by US government (state department) policy. Does the wikipedia have (or is it willing to provide) a precise list of publications that it deems reliable so that these can be searched through? Son of eugene ( talk) 08:33, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
It makes sense to combine both pages (not least as this page has a lot of work to be done on it), and I feel it is just duplicating the same information.  The Emperor of Byzantium ( talk) 15:48, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Â Not done
DrStrauss
talk
20:17, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
Libyan Civil War (2011–present) → Libyan Civil War – I would like commend IbrahimWeed on his recent move of this page from Libyan Crisis (2011–present) to Libyan Civil War (2011–present). I think it should've been done a long time ago because like the Somali Civil War, this is a single civil war with multiple phases (the 2011 phase, the 2011–14 phase and the 2014–present phase). However I think we should remove the date also. After all, Libyan Civil War redirects here and not to the disambiguation page. Charles Essie ( talk) 21:19, 25 May 2017 (UTC) --Relisting. — Guan aco 07:26, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: NO CONSENSUS No real consensus on changing the naming scheme; the moves are somewhat interrelated so no consensus for individual moves. This also means a return to status quo, meaning a return to Libyan Crisis (2011–present) for this page.(also based on the support in the above discussion for return to crisis)( non-admin closure) Galobtter ( pingó mió) 11:26, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
Libyan Civil War (2011–present) → Libyan Civil War – The proposal I made in the last move discussion seemed get some support, so I'm reviving it here.
What does everyone think? Charles Essie ( talk) 18:52, 28 December 2017 (UTC)--Relisting. Galobtter ( pingó mió) 05:44, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
After the conclusion of a permanent peace between the factions in Libya, can we say that the conflict is over? Should we change the name to Libyan conflict (2011–2020)? I think the Wikipedia community should discuss that issue. MarcusTraianus ( talk) 07:23, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
*Yes
GMPX1234 (
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01:34, 29 November 2020 (UTC) —
GMPX1234 (
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contribs) is a confirmed
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Waskerton (
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contribs).
Comment: I reverted the title changes to the status quo (the original title: "Libyan Crisis (2011 - present)". There were two previous requested moves of no consensus to move the page (
#Requested move 25 May 2017 and
#Requested move 28 December 2017).
One of the changes was made by a sockpuppet. --
Fontaine347 (
talk)
00:33, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved to Libyan Crisis (2011–present) as agreed in RM and per MOS:RANGE. What's contested here (and how it ended up at spaced-dash title)? No such user ( talk) 16:13, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
Libyan Crisis (2011 – present) →
Libyan Crisis (2011–present) – The dash in the date is not supposed to have spaces around itÂ
Ridax2020 (
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12:55, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
After the end of the Civil War, the formation of the government and the adoption of the joint budget of Libya, can we say that the war crisis is over? What date for the end of the crisis should be in the title: 2020 (signing of a permanent truce) or 2021 (adoption of a unified budget)? MarcusTraianus ( talk) 08:50, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
References
The result of the move request was: Not moved yet, there is no consensus that the crisis is over now. ( non-admin closure) ( t · c) buidhe 17:16, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
Libyan Crisis (2011–present) → Libyan crisis (2011–2021) – Entire crisis ended following the formation of the unity government recently, also “crisis†has to be in lower caps. Ridax2020 ( talk) 18:55, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
It is confirmed by even the source that was used to claim that Libya no longer has one of the highest human development index (HDI) rankings among countries in Africa" contradicts that claims, as Libya is one of only nine countries in Africa to have a high HDI ranking and ranks sixth among countries in Africa. [1] 137.70.12.59 ( talk) 14:58, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: MOVED. Appears to be uncontroversial; MOS is clear. Hadal ( talk) 04:38, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
Libyan Crisis (2011–present) → Libyan crisis (2011–present) – Revert the undiscussed over-capitalization of 2014 (there have been lots of move discussions since, but nobody mentioned going back to the original before the undiscussed caps; see history). Sources mostly use lowercase. Dicklyon ( talk) 03:25, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
only words and phrases that are consistently capitalized in a substantial majority of independent, reliable sources are capitalized in Wikipedia(emphasis in original).  —  SMcCandlish ☠¢ 😼  16:29, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
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I wonder if there's enough basis in what wikipedians consider to be "reliable sources" to mention Hillary Clinton's role in the disintegration of Libya's government? According to an interesting op ed by Justin Raimondo, her role in the removal of Gadaffi and the subsequent breakdown in Libyan society parallels Bush II's role in the destruction of Iraq. An op-ed would of course not be suitable as a reliable source. But Raimondo does cite to sources, such as the Washington Times---but this may also be deemed a non-reliable source, i don't know. Senator Paul has called the intervention "Hillary's War" in an interview with the WSJ (2/7/2014), so perhaps her name could be drawn in on that basis (perhaps in a section called "International Reaction"). In any event, it seems bizarre not to see the words "Clinton" or even "United States" in an article about events manifestly caused or at least catalyzed by US government (state department) policy. Does the wikipedia have (or is it willing to provide) a precise list of publications that it deems reliable so that these can be searched through? Son of eugene ( talk) 08:33, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
It makes sense to combine both pages (not least as this page has a lot of work to be done on it), and I feel it is just duplicating the same information.  The Emperor of Byzantium ( talk) 15:48, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Â Not done
DrStrauss
talk
20:17, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
Libyan Civil War (2011–present) → Libyan Civil War – I would like commend IbrahimWeed on his recent move of this page from Libyan Crisis (2011–present) to Libyan Civil War (2011–present). I think it should've been done a long time ago because like the Somali Civil War, this is a single civil war with multiple phases (the 2011 phase, the 2011–14 phase and the 2014–present phase). However I think we should remove the date also. After all, Libyan Civil War redirects here and not to the disambiguation page. Charles Essie ( talk) 21:19, 25 May 2017 (UTC) --Relisting. — Guan aco 07:26, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: NO CONSENSUS No real consensus on changing the naming scheme; the moves are somewhat interrelated so no consensus for individual moves. This also means a return to status quo, meaning a return to Libyan Crisis (2011–present) for this page.(also based on the support in the above discussion for return to crisis)( non-admin closure) Galobtter ( pingó mió) 11:26, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
Libyan Civil War (2011–present) → Libyan Civil War – The proposal I made in the last move discussion seemed get some support, so I'm reviving it here.
What does everyone think? Charles Essie ( talk) 18:52, 28 December 2017 (UTC)--Relisting. Galobtter ( pingó mió) 05:44, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
After the conclusion of a permanent peace between the factions in Libya, can we say that the conflict is over? Should we change the name to Libyan conflict (2011–2020)? I think the Wikipedia community should discuss that issue. MarcusTraianus ( talk) 07:23, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
*Yes
GMPX1234 (
talk)
01:34, 29 November 2020 (UTC) —
GMPX1234 (
talk •
contribs) is a confirmed
sock puppet of
Waskerton (
talk •
contribs).
Comment: I reverted the title changes to the status quo (the original title: "Libyan Crisis (2011 - present)". There were two previous requested moves of no consensus to move the page (
#Requested move 25 May 2017 and
#Requested move 28 December 2017).
One of the changes was made by a sockpuppet. --
Fontaine347 (
talk)
00:33, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved to Libyan Crisis (2011–present) as agreed in RM and per MOS:RANGE. What's contested here (and how it ended up at spaced-dash title)? No such user ( talk) 16:13, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
Libyan Crisis (2011 – present) →
Libyan Crisis (2011–present) – The dash in the date is not supposed to have spaces around itÂ
Ridax2020 (
talk)
12:55, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
After the end of the Civil War, the formation of the government and the adoption of the joint budget of Libya, can we say that the war crisis is over? What date for the end of the crisis should be in the title: 2020 (signing of a permanent truce) or 2021 (adoption of a unified budget)? MarcusTraianus ( talk) 08:50, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
References
The result of the move request was: Not moved yet, there is no consensus that the crisis is over now. ( non-admin closure) ( t · c) buidhe 17:16, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
Libyan Crisis (2011–present) → Libyan crisis (2011–2021) – Entire crisis ended following the formation of the unity government recently, also “crisis†has to be in lower caps. Ridax2020 ( talk) 18:55, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
It is confirmed by even the source that was used to claim that Libya no longer has one of the highest human development index (HDI) rankings among countries in Africa" contradicts that claims, as Libya is one of only nine countries in Africa to have a high HDI ranking and ranks sixth among countries in Africa. [1] 137.70.12.59 ( talk) 14:58, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: MOVED. Appears to be uncontroversial; MOS is clear. Hadal ( talk) 04:38, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
Libyan Crisis (2011–present) → Libyan crisis (2011–present) – Revert the undiscussed over-capitalization of 2014 (there have been lots of move discussions since, but nobody mentioned going back to the original before the undiscussed caps; see history). Sources mostly use lowercase. Dicklyon ( talk) 03:25, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
only words and phrases that are consistently capitalized in a substantial majority of independent, reliable sources are capitalized in Wikipedia(emphasis in original).  —  SMcCandlish ☠¢ 😼  16:29, 22 July 2024 (UTC)