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I changed the last paragraph to reflect a neutral POV- Julian Diamond 07:31, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
The intro needs to be fleshed out. It's basically not even an intro. I'm feeling lazy though :) -- Jaysweet 22:36, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
A large part of this article appears to be closely paraphrased and, in parts, directly plagarized from Gary Klein's book "Sources of Power." 10 April 2007
NPOV the article, to reflect the fact that Israelis were occupying Egyptian land, and deliberately attacked a civilian airplane without good reason.
There might have been a 'ceasefire' in 1973 but neither side acted much like it. The Continuation war was underway. Egypt and Israel were both engaged in aggressive actions.
The fact that Israel initially lied should be noted. This was an embarrassing incident especially after the the stink Israel made after one of the O-49 Connies my friend Irvn Schindler had procured for Israel before it's independence was shot down over Bulgaria less than 20 years before.
Everyone screwed this one up. Mark Lincoln 16:22, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
occupying Sinaiwhen Moshe Sharrett and Nasse
The article says under the "Airliner perspective" section that Cairo East (CE) is the airport and Cairo West (CW) the airbase. It also says the pilots thought they had overflown CE and the Egyptian Migs (IAF F-4s) were escorting them back to CW. Finally it says that when the pilots noticed it was an airbase they thought there was a mistake so they flew west...presumably AWAY from CE. This makes no sense. Anynobody 09:30, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
It is clear that the crew were not up to snuff that day. They made numerous mistakes. They were clearly not up to being involved in any 'conspiracy.'
A bad case of head up and locked.
Followed by head up the asshole.
This got them killed. Mark Lincoln 16:17, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
WP:FORUM - removed
84.36.2.70 added the following paragraph that seems to be at least in need of sourcing:
Celebrations erupted in the city of Haifa by several Israelis who shouted "Death to the Arabs" while spontaneously dancing. -- SLi 22:57, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
Sounds like propaganda typical of both sides in the region. Mark Lincoln 16:23, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
Theres no mention about the Israeli pilots trying to commincate with the aircraft using radio. Did they not try, or not have the right radios or did the aircrew not check the right frequenices? Or what? David.j.james 16:20, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
Usually military aircraft would only - at best - be able to communicate on an emergency channel. I don't know what equipment the IAF had. Mark Lincoln 16:17, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
Is there really a need for an obvious attempt to rationalize shooting down a civilian airliner? Lacking any citations, coupled with an absolute ridiculous explanation, it reeks of propaganda. You'd seriously have to be an idiot to buy that for a second.
Is there any indication from the references given in Libyan Arab Airlines Flight 114, that Israel had a suspicion that this aircraft had terrorists with parachutes? patsw 16:26, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
I am amazed anyone tries to defend this but some people will defend absolutely anything Israel does, cradle to grave. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.35.95.86 ( talk) 18:08, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
This article is very biased in favor of the Israeli point of view nad gives too much credence to the Israeli explanation without offering the perspective of other parties. It needs to be rewritten to either include alternate viewpoints or none at all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.75.113.215 ( talk) 20:47, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
This article sounds like it came from the MFA press office, it needs to either be edited to reflect a neutral point of view or express multiple points of views. It is factually accurate, but because of the admission of other points of view it is not neutral. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.75.113.215 ( talk) 22:58, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
Hello, i read in one german newspaper that Israel accepted to pay compensation! Is anyone able to confirm that? -- 85.180.172.203 ( talk) 22:15, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
My own recollection of newspaper reports at the time, taken from the recordings of radio conversations between the aircraft and air traffic control in Cairo, is that the crew saw the Israeli fighters but assumed that they were Egyptian. PatGallacher ( talk) 09:39, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
After just reading the terrible events that befell Korean Air Lines Flight 007 I came across this event. I must say the two articles could be more diametrically different. This article almost, and without any sense of shame, blames the pilots of the civilian airliner for being shot down. An unarmed plane is shot out of the sky by Israeli jets and it almost passes for acceptable based on the circumstances. Now compare that to the tone of the article concerning the shooting down of the non-military Korean Airliner by the Soviets (boo hiss) and it's quite obvious that this article is written by Jewish apologists. Quite frankly why this article has not been queried more is just another example how wrong Wikipedia as a reliable source truly is. The only people I can see who actually bother to do all this free work here must surely be those with the most pressing agendas!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.163.108.0 ( talk) 13:38, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
This article references "a similar incident a month earlier, in which an Ethiopian plane was shot down", and then procedes to provide no citation for it. This list of airline shootdown incidents makes a similar uncited reference. This page of accidents and incidents of Ethiopian Airlines has no reference to any incident whatsoever in 1973 (January, or otherwise). In fact the only shootdown is from 10 Apr, 1969. That's far more than a month earlier. Is there some other mystery incident not referenced in these pages or is the original quote off by multiple years? -- CumbiaDude ( talk) 23:31, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
I have gone ahead and removed the reference to this alleged shootdown. I have also removed it in the List of airliner shootdown incidents entry for that incident. No source has ever been provided and I cannot find any reference online to the alleged incident that does not apparently stem from the (incorrect) wikipedia entry. - Redshield3 ( talk) 16:01, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
Is it true that the co-pilot's own account is contradictory to the Libyan government stating that the attack occurred without warning? The attack was without warning, that is not to say that the crew were unaware of the Israeli jets. Also, how was ignoring the jets, and turning west, "erratic behavior" making it prudent to shoot down a civilian aircraft? Royalcourtier ( talk) 06:47, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
Flight 114 was at FL290 (29,000ft) after its intermediate stop at Benghazi, and we don't know how high it was when entering Sinai airspace.
Smart work -- three minutes after getting the scramble call the Phantoms had located and reached Flight 114.
They didn't attempt to signal, they actually did effectively signal.
Hooey. The FL 114 pilot acknowledged the signals from the Phantom/s, lowered his undercariage and gave the impression he would land at Rephidim. He subsequently changed direction, accelerated towards Cairo, was shot at and unsuccessfully attempted a landing. And what about the following?
What? Commercial aircraft used IFR for years before then, by choice and as a matter of course. There were many reasons for FL 114 straying 100 miles off course and miles past the intended destination, but a sandstorm below an aircraft at FL290 would be the least of them. So many beacons/nav aids on the ground were faulty/unserviceable that this.
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In the first paragraph, "then under Israeli-occupation" should be "then under Israeli occupation". The current sentence is grammatically incorrect. AvrahamHerschel ( talk) 15:16, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
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I changed the last paragraph to reflect a neutral POV- Julian Diamond 07:31, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
The intro needs to be fleshed out. It's basically not even an intro. I'm feeling lazy though :) -- Jaysweet 22:36, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
A large part of this article appears to be closely paraphrased and, in parts, directly plagarized from Gary Klein's book "Sources of Power." 10 April 2007
NPOV the article, to reflect the fact that Israelis were occupying Egyptian land, and deliberately attacked a civilian airplane without good reason.
There might have been a 'ceasefire' in 1973 but neither side acted much like it. The Continuation war was underway. Egypt and Israel were both engaged in aggressive actions.
The fact that Israel initially lied should be noted. This was an embarrassing incident especially after the the stink Israel made after one of the O-49 Connies my friend Irvn Schindler had procured for Israel before it's independence was shot down over Bulgaria less than 20 years before.
Everyone screwed this one up. Mark Lincoln 16:22, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
occupying Sinaiwhen Moshe Sharrett and Nasse
The article says under the "Airliner perspective" section that Cairo East (CE) is the airport and Cairo West (CW) the airbase. It also says the pilots thought they had overflown CE and the Egyptian Migs (IAF F-4s) were escorting them back to CW. Finally it says that when the pilots noticed it was an airbase they thought there was a mistake so they flew west...presumably AWAY from CE. This makes no sense. Anynobody 09:30, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
It is clear that the crew were not up to snuff that day. They made numerous mistakes. They were clearly not up to being involved in any 'conspiracy.'
A bad case of head up and locked.
Followed by head up the asshole.
This got them killed. Mark Lincoln 16:17, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
WP:FORUM - removed
84.36.2.70 added the following paragraph that seems to be at least in need of sourcing:
Celebrations erupted in the city of Haifa by several Israelis who shouted "Death to the Arabs" while spontaneously dancing. -- SLi 22:57, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
Sounds like propaganda typical of both sides in the region. Mark Lincoln 16:23, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
Theres no mention about the Israeli pilots trying to commincate with the aircraft using radio. Did they not try, or not have the right radios or did the aircrew not check the right frequenices? Or what? David.j.james 16:20, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
Usually military aircraft would only - at best - be able to communicate on an emergency channel. I don't know what equipment the IAF had. Mark Lincoln 16:17, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
Is there really a need for an obvious attempt to rationalize shooting down a civilian airliner? Lacking any citations, coupled with an absolute ridiculous explanation, it reeks of propaganda. You'd seriously have to be an idiot to buy that for a second.
Is there any indication from the references given in Libyan Arab Airlines Flight 114, that Israel had a suspicion that this aircraft had terrorists with parachutes? patsw 16:26, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
I am amazed anyone tries to defend this but some people will defend absolutely anything Israel does, cradle to grave. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.35.95.86 ( talk) 18:08, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
This article is very biased in favor of the Israeli point of view nad gives too much credence to the Israeli explanation without offering the perspective of other parties. It needs to be rewritten to either include alternate viewpoints or none at all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.75.113.215 ( talk) 20:47, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
This article sounds like it came from the MFA press office, it needs to either be edited to reflect a neutral point of view or express multiple points of views. It is factually accurate, but because of the admission of other points of view it is not neutral. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.75.113.215 ( talk) 22:58, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
Hello, i read in one german newspaper that Israel accepted to pay compensation! Is anyone able to confirm that? -- 85.180.172.203 ( talk) 22:15, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
My own recollection of newspaper reports at the time, taken from the recordings of radio conversations between the aircraft and air traffic control in Cairo, is that the crew saw the Israeli fighters but assumed that they were Egyptian. PatGallacher ( talk) 09:39, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
After just reading the terrible events that befell Korean Air Lines Flight 007 I came across this event. I must say the two articles could be more diametrically different. This article almost, and without any sense of shame, blames the pilots of the civilian airliner for being shot down. An unarmed plane is shot out of the sky by Israeli jets and it almost passes for acceptable based on the circumstances. Now compare that to the tone of the article concerning the shooting down of the non-military Korean Airliner by the Soviets (boo hiss) and it's quite obvious that this article is written by Jewish apologists. Quite frankly why this article has not been queried more is just another example how wrong Wikipedia as a reliable source truly is. The only people I can see who actually bother to do all this free work here must surely be those with the most pressing agendas!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.163.108.0 ( talk) 13:38, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
This article references "a similar incident a month earlier, in which an Ethiopian plane was shot down", and then procedes to provide no citation for it. This list of airline shootdown incidents makes a similar uncited reference. This page of accidents and incidents of Ethiopian Airlines has no reference to any incident whatsoever in 1973 (January, or otherwise). In fact the only shootdown is from 10 Apr, 1969. That's far more than a month earlier. Is there some other mystery incident not referenced in these pages or is the original quote off by multiple years? -- CumbiaDude ( talk) 23:31, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
I have gone ahead and removed the reference to this alleged shootdown. I have also removed it in the List of airliner shootdown incidents entry for that incident. No source has ever been provided and I cannot find any reference online to the alleged incident that does not apparently stem from the (incorrect) wikipedia entry. - Redshield3 ( talk) 16:01, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
Is it true that the co-pilot's own account is contradictory to the Libyan government stating that the attack occurred without warning? The attack was without warning, that is not to say that the crew were unaware of the Israeli jets. Also, how was ignoring the jets, and turning west, "erratic behavior" making it prudent to shoot down a civilian aircraft? Royalcourtier ( talk) 06:47, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
Flight 114 was at FL290 (29,000ft) after its intermediate stop at Benghazi, and we don't know how high it was when entering Sinai airspace.
Smart work -- three minutes after getting the scramble call the Phantoms had located and reached Flight 114.
They didn't attempt to signal, they actually did effectively signal.
Hooey. The FL 114 pilot acknowledged the signals from the Phantom/s, lowered his undercariage and gave the impression he would land at Rephidim. He subsequently changed direction, accelerated towards Cairo, was shot at and unsuccessfully attempted a landing. And what about the following?
What? Commercial aircraft used IFR for years before then, by choice and as a matter of course. There were many reasons for FL 114 straying 100 miles off course and miles past the intended destination, but a sandstorm below an aircraft at FL290 would be the least of them. So many beacons/nav aids on the ground were faulty/unserviceable that this.
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In the third paragraph of the Timeline section, MIGs should be MiGs. For the benefit of readers who aren't familiar with the term, I suggest changing it to MiG warplanes or wikilinking MiGs to
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In the first paragraph, "then under Israeli-occupation" should be "then under Israeli occupation". The current sentence is grammatically incorrect. AvrahamHerschel ( talk) 15:16, 14 March 2024 (UTC)