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I'm surprised this article hasn't received much attention. Hopefully some experts on the subject would be willing to enlighten us and provide references. -- Edward Sandstig 09:55, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
They are negotiations for the procurement og Rafale and Tiger . they are not made any annoucments yet . John Athens 20/10/2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.75.192.143 ( talk) 18:24, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
Yes, Libya has decided not to buy any Rafale planes, prefered the russian SU-35 planes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.71.8.83 ( talk) 10:59, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
As long as I know the Tu-22 Blinders aren't retired. Any reference for that ? I'll put them back in current aircraft -
Tourbillon
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09:01, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
The Tu-22 are retired many years ago, replaced by Su-24 planes bought in late 80s. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.71.8.83 ( talk) 10:57, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
Benghazi / Benina (HLLB) 1040sq MiG-23MLD/UB (OCU) 1060sq MiG-23MLD/MS/UB 1211sq L-410 1222sq G222 13.sq Det. Mi-8/Mi-17
Brach / El Beida / Labraq (HLLQ) 10.9sq L-39ZO 10.3sq MiG-23MLD/MS/UB Al Bumbah 1050sq MiG-23MLD/MS/UB Gamal Abd-El-Nasser/El Adem Tobruk AFB 1021sq MiG-21bis/UM 1040sq MiG-23MLD/MS/UB 13.8sq (Det.) Mi-8/Mi-17 Okba ibn Nafi AFB 1015sq Mirage F1ED/BD 1032sq Su-22M-3K, Su-22UM-3 For the Mirage F1 unit, also ‘Fataq’ squadron was mentioned.
Ghurdabiyah / GardabyaAFB 1124sq Su-24MK/MR 1022sq Su-22M-4/Su-22UM-3 13.8sq Det. Mi-8/Mi-17 13.5sq Mi-35
Al Jufra-Hun 1276sq Det. IL-76 This is a former Tu-22 and MiG-25 base. Misurata / Misratah 10..sq G-2A 1090sq MiG-23MLD/MS/UB G.Abdel-Nasser Frontier sq Mi-35, Mi-8 Ghudar Dabaya Coastal sq Mi-35, Mi-14PL, SA321GM Sebha / Sabha - Zawia AFB (HLLS) Air Force Academy Air Secondray School SF260WL Advanced Flying Tr. sq L-39ZO Military Flying Clubs SF-260 Besides the Air Froce Academy, MiG-25s used to be based here
Tripoli / Tarrabalus AB (HLLT) 1387sq CH-47C/CH-47C+ This units is also mentioned as 1347sq. Umm Aitiqah / Mitiga / Okba ben Nafi (HLLM) 1023sq MiG-23MLD/UB 1039sq L-39ZO 1226sq An-26 1230sq C-130H 1274sq An-74, Yak-40 1276sq Il-76M/T/TD, Il-62 1314sq Mi-14PL 1347sq CH-47C/CH-47C+ 1328sq Mi-8T Libyan Air Cargo An-124, Il-76, Il-78, An-26
Buckshot06 (talk) 23:30, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
How do these two statements come together?:
"The last major delivery of Soviet aircraft was 15 Su-24 Fencers in March/April 1989."
"Sukhoi Su-24MK Soviet Union Long range bomber 4 One lost in fire"
Also, the article Sukhoi Su-24 mentions:
"8 Su-24MK purchased for the Libyan Air Force, 6 still on inventory, one destroyed in fire."
— 91.11.211.226 ( talk) 14:54, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
An editor has removed all the 104 Mig-25 interceptors from the list, saying that they were "retired" in 2006. I disagree with this removal. The source used is Military Balance 2010 - a much newer and the most widely quoted source on military equipment numbers. I have not seen it disputed by other sources. The total number of aircraft they give - 374 - is also supported by other sources, and this number does include the 104 Mig-25s. Nanobear ( talk) 20:31, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
Hi Nanobear I remove the Mig-25s. The source you provide is not correct. The Mig-25s are retired years ago, becauce they were no spare parts and most of all becauce the were obsolete. Also their wasnt 104 planes in inventory but much fewer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.71.8.83 ( talk) 10:53, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
Yes their is a article at page 68-72, has the title ,,Libya Opens Up,,. The AFM author was at Mitiga AB becauce of air show LAVEX-2006, their is a interview of the commander of the AB, his name is Juma Zaid El Gaddafi. Also a photo of a Libyan Mig-25 is at the 4th page of the volume, has comments below about the retirement of the type. J.A 13 March 2011
This is being reported and this article sites a Reuters link in ref 24. However, multiple sources have reported this, but they have since suggested this is unlikely (NPR, BBC, Al Jazeera) and stated that this statement from an "Unnamed Libyan Air Force official" hasn't been verified, it's just being reported. There's currently no verification of Rebel use of aircraft, let alone Mig-23s which is unlikely as Air Forces Monthly are stating the majority of Mig-23s in service are the ML and UB variants which aren't wired for the strike role as such. There's also currently no verification for the sinking of any large warships in that region. Can we have some actual verification of this? Otherwise, this is just hearsay being reported as fact. ( 121.45.146.138 ( talk) 01:43, 18 March 2011 (UTC))
There are some instances were youtube is more acceptable as a source, however I do not believe this is one of them. The video of a man standing over a downed aircraft with a small RPG on his shoulders cannot be connected to recent events. Unless the references are improved a lot of the recent edits about the Libyan revolt will have to be removed. - Nem1yan ( talk) 12:58, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
Really need to return the aircraft numbers and other data back before the current conflict, and leave them as they were until everything has finished. Wikipedia is not a news service it doesnt need to be up to date by the hour so the status a few months ago would be a lot more helpful to the reader. If they want to know the current situation they can read the blogs and other sources. MilborneOne ( talk) 11:31, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
Notes: 2. Unconfirmed. 3. Possibly stationed at Brach, which is known to have resident L-39s.
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Now that the entire country (at least all major cities and presumably airbases) is now nominally under the control of the NTC, it does not make much sense to have two different articles that seem dedicated to what is essentially now the same subject matter. It seems further jumbled by such inconsistencies as listing the current allegiance to the NTC, while leaving the possibility that a Pro-Gaddafi commander that has fled to Niger might still be in charge. I thus propose that the "Free Libyan Air Force" contents are moved to this article, with separate sections for the air force under Gaddafi's government, and one for the NTC-allied force (which would presumably include whatever remaining aircraft inventory). Does anyone else concur about any form of merge? Jetpower45 ( talk) 04:59, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
Ive noticed that the post war air force part of the article has been moved into the Free Libyan Air Force article, nothing much wrong with that but the Libyan Air Force is now being rebuilt, and under the name of the Libyan Air Force, so should a new article be created to take this into account, something like "New Libyan Air Force", or just "Libyan Air Force" ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.207.27.75 ( talk) 20:10, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
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I'm surprised this article hasn't received much attention. Hopefully some experts on the subject would be willing to enlighten us and provide references. -- Edward Sandstig 09:55, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
They are negotiations for the procurement og Rafale and Tiger . they are not made any annoucments yet . John Athens 20/10/2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.75.192.143 ( talk) 18:24, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
Yes, Libya has decided not to buy any Rafale planes, prefered the russian SU-35 planes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.71.8.83 ( talk) 10:59, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
As long as I know the Tu-22 Blinders aren't retired. Any reference for that ? I'll put them back in current aircraft -
Tourbillon
A ?
09:01, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
The Tu-22 are retired many years ago, replaced by Su-24 planes bought in late 80s. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.71.8.83 ( talk) 10:57, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
Benghazi / Benina (HLLB) 1040sq MiG-23MLD/UB (OCU) 1060sq MiG-23MLD/MS/UB 1211sq L-410 1222sq G222 13.sq Det. Mi-8/Mi-17
Brach / El Beida / Labraq (HLLQ) 10.9sq L-39ZO 10.3sq MiG-23MLD/MS/UB Al Bumbah 1050sq MiG-23MLD/MS/UB Gamal Abd-El-Nasser/El Adem Tobruk AFB 1021sq MiG-21bis/UM 1040sq MiG-23MLD/MS/UB 13.8sq (Det.) Mi-8/Mi-17 Okba ibn Nafi AFB 1015sq Mirage F1ED/BD 1032sq Su-22M-3K, Su-22UM-3 For the Mirage F1 unit, also ‘Fataq’ squadron was mentioned.
Ghurdabiyah / GardabyaAFB 1124sq Su-24MK/MR 1022sq Su-22M-4/Su-22UM-3 13.8sq Det. Mi-8/Mi-17 13.5sq Mi-35
Al Jufra-Hun 1276sq Det. IL-76 This is a former Tu-22 and MiG-25 base. Misurata / Misratah 10..sq G-2A 1090sq MiG-23MLD/MS/UB G.Abdel-Nasser Frontier sq Mi-35, Mi-8 Ghudar Dabaya Coastal sq Mi-35, Mi-14PL, SA321GM Sebha / Sabha - Zawia AFB (HLLS) Air Force Academy Air Secondray School SF260WL Advanced Flying Tr. sq L-39ZO Military Flying Clubs SF-260 Besides the Air Froce Academy, MiG-25s used to be based here
Tripoli / Tarrabalus AB (HLLT) 1387sq CH-47C/CH-47C+ This units is also mentioned as 1347sq. Umm Aitiqah / Mitiga / Okba ben Nafi (HLLM) 1023sq MiG-23MLD/UB 1039sq L-39ZO 1226sq An-26 1230sq C-130H 1274sq An-74, Yak-40 1276sq Il-76M/T/TD, Il-62 1314sq Mi-14PL 1347sq CH-47C/CH-47C+ 1328sq Mi-8T Libyan Air Cargo An-124, Il-76, Il-78, An-26
Buckshot06 (talk) 23:30, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
How do these two statements come together?:
"The last major delivery of Soviet aircraft was 15 Su-24 Fencers in March/April 1989."
"Sukhoi Su-24MK Soviet Union Long range bomber 4 One lost in fire"
Also, the article Sukhoi Su-24 mentions:
"8 Su-24MK purchased for the Libyan Air Force, 6 still on inventory, one destroyed in fire."
— 91.11.211.226 ( talk) 14:54, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
An editor has removed all the 104 Mig-25 interceptors from the list, saying that they were "retired" in 2006. I disagree with this removal. The source used is Military Balance 2010 - a much newer and the most widely quoted source on military equipment numbers. I have not seen it disputed by other sources. The total number of aircraft they give - 374 - is also supported by other sources, and this number does include the 104 Mig-25s. Nanobear ( talk) 20:31, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
Hi Nanobear I remove the Mig-25s. The source you provide is not correct. The Mig-25s are retired years ago, becauce they were no spare parts and most of all becauce the were obsolete. Also their wasnt 104 planes in inventory but much fewer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.71.8.83 ( talk) 10:53, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
Yes their is a article at page 68-72, has the title ,,Libya Opens Up,,. The AFM author was at Mitiga AB becauce of air show LAVEX-2006, their is a interview of the commander of the AB, his name is Juma Zaid El Gaddafi. Also a photo of a Libyan Mig-25 is at the 4th page of the volume, has comments below about the retirement of the type. J.A 13 March 2011
This is being reported and this article sites a Reuters link in ref 24. However, multiple sources have reported this, but they have since suggested this is unlikely (NPR, BBC, Al Jazeera) and stated that this statement from an "Unnamed Libyan Air Force official" hasn't been verified, it's just being reported. There's currently no verification of Rebel use of aircraft, let alone Mig-23s which is unlikely as Air Forces Monthly are stating the majority of Mig-23s in service are the ML and UB variants which aren't wired for the strike role as such. There's also currently no verification for the sinking of any large warships in that region. Can we have some actual verification of this? Otherwise, this is just hearsay being reported as fact. ( 121.45.146.138 ( talk) 01:43, 18 March 2011 (UTC))
There are some instances were youtube is more acceptable as a source, however I do not believe this is one of them. The video of a man standing over a downed aircraft with a small RPG on his shoulders cannot be connected to recent events. Unless the references are improved a lot of the recent edits about the Libyan revolt will have to be removed. - Nem1yan ( talk) 12:58, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
Really need to return the aircraft numbers and other data back before the current conflict, and leave them as they were until everything has finished. Wikipedia is not a news service it doesnt need to be up to date by the hour so the status a few months ago would be a lot more helpful to the reader. If they want to know the current situation they can read the blogs and other sources. MilborneOne ( talk) 11:31, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
Notes: 2. Unconfirmed. 3. Possibly stationed at Brach, which is known to have resident L-39s.
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Libyan Air Force's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
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help)I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 12:22, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
Now that the entire country (at least all major cities and presumably airbases) is now nominally under the control of the NTC, it does not make much sense to have two different articles that seem dedicated to what is essentially now the same subject matter. It seems further jumbled by such inconsistencies as listing the current allegiance to the NTC, while leaving the possibility that a Pro-Gaddafi commander that has fled to Niger might still be in charge. I thus propose that the "Free Libyan Air Force" contents are moved to this article, with separate sections for the air force under Gaddafi's government, and one for the NTC-allied force (which would presumably include whatever remaining aircraft inventory). Does anyone else concur about any form of merge? Jetpower45 ( talk) 04:59, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
Ive noticed that the post war air force part of the article has been moved into the Free Libyan Air Force article, nothing much wrong with that but the Libyan Air Force is now being rebuilt, and under the name of the Libyan Air Force, so should a new article be created to take this into account, something like "New Libyan Air Force", or just "Libyan Air Force" ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.207.27.75 ( talk) 20:10, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
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