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Another interesting "Liberty ship" tid-bit is that one of them, the SS Benjamin R. Curtis, launched by the California Shipbuilding Co. in November of 1942, later became the SS Grandcamp which was the ship that exploded and caused the massive Texas City disaster in 1947.
Somebody screwed up somewhere. This page says complement is 41; the John W. Brown page says twice that, incl merchant mariners & Navy officers. So? Trekphiler 02:49, 6 January 2006 & 20:46, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
Hoping no one objects, I added an item to the "Fictional Appearances" section, citing Alistair MacLean's use of a Liberty ship in San Andreas. (TEH, 23 April 2006)
I'm a bit perplexed by the sentence "The ships initially had a poor public image." The article doesn't really provide a reason for this. Anyone know the answer? NIIRS zero 11:46, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
The page appears to have been deleted. Anybody know if this is true and if so why? Or is it just me? AJB93 16:22, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
I removed this phrase from the article: "Walter Butler shipbuilders of St Paul Mn built many Lib ships at their facility in Superior, Wi. (I was a welder there.)" It was not developed well and not sourced. It was also in the wrong place. Can anybody help this guy out by fleshing this passage out with more detail and a cite? Binksternet ( talk) 06:34, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
What happened to the Canadian-built ships? There were a few 100 built here.... TREKphiler hit me ♠ 11:52, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
I have been deleting promotion of a book by Ion Livas. No promotion is allowed on Wikipedia. Somebody really wants the book to appear, in all capital letter, too. Binksternet ( talk) 08:13, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
It appears there's confusion over load capacity v displacement. Displacement is all the water displaced by the hull at load; dwt is tonnage carried aboard. TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura 20:39, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
Oil would have been a large proportion of imports to Britain during WW2. Did Liberty ships carry bulk grain? --- DavidJErskine ( talk) 06:41, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
I see that on 12 July 2011 User:Trekphiler removed the link "Warship types of the 19th & 20th centuries" from Liberty Ship on the grounds that Liberty Ships are "not a warship".
Is he aware that the SS Stephen Hopkins was a United States Merchant Marine Liberty ship that served in World War II. She was the first (and only) US ship to sink a German surface combatant during the war.
Regards Oldfarm ( talk) 00:08, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
Weapons on Liberty ship?-- Falkmart ( talk) 13:27, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
In September 1943 strategic plans and shortage of more suitable hulls required that Liberty ships be pressed into emergency use as troop transports with about 225 eventually converted for this purpose.[20] The first general conversions were hastily undertaken by the War Shipping Administration (WSA) so that the ships could join convoys on the way to North Africa for Operation Torch This doesn't compute; the Torch landings were in November 1942 Solicitr ( talk) 16:25, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
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I've always felt that the M1 Garand, the T-34, the Boeing B-17 Flying Fortress+ North American P-51 Mustang, Bletchley Park and the Liberty ship were the weapons which won WWII. Should we be seeking to add any sources which reference things like this? Xerton ( talk) 02:46, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
Is this the biggest serie of ship types? 2000 ships is large number. -- Alex Blokha ( talk) 19:03, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
Everywhere in this article the entity is capitalized, even mid-sentence, as "Liberty ship". Other related articles do this also.
It should be "Liberty Ship". If for some reason you don't want that, it'd have to be "liberty ship" (that's wrong IMO, since "liberty" is a non-descriptive appellation, unlike "cargo ship" or "quickly-built ship" or whatever, but is at least follows a consistent rule).
The current use is a little bit like writing "the team played at Fenway park", except worse since at least Fenway by itself is a proper noun ("it's located in the Fenway neighborhood"), while liberty isn't (you wouldn't write "Smith was a great believer in freedom and Liberty").
If these entities were commonly called "Liberty" or "Liberties", that'd possibly be different. If you could write "Venezuela bought five Liberties...", with ship being merely a helpful adjective, as one might say "Boeing 747 airliner" or something, that'd be different two. But it's not; people don't say "Liberty" alone, without "ship", as they might say "747" without "airliner". I mean they might, and probably do in casual private conversation among ship aficionados, but it's highly non-standard and slangy and we don't do it in our articles. Certainly this article would not be renamed to "Liberty (vessel)" I don't think.
I propose to make this chance presently absent objection. Herostratus ( talk) 16:13, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
According to this article, the SS Albert M. Boe is one of four surviving Liberty Ships. According to the article SS John W. Brown, the Brown is one of three, as the Albert M. Boe is not considered. The article SS Jeremiah O'Brien also does not include the Boe (it says that there are three operational liberty ships left (including SS Arthur M. Huddell which doesn't move under its own power, altho it floats).
The SS Albert M. Boe is described as "currently landlocked", and actually as "grounded" in its infobox, so I assume it is not actually afloat (or, probably, capable of floating anymore). Whether its been internally gutted or not I can't tell (it's certainly not derelict). FWIW the lede for that article begins with "SS Albert M. Boe was a Liberty ship..." (note past tense).
Whether the Boe should or should not be considered a "surviving Liberty Ship" I don't know or care, but if you do, speak; I just want it to be consistent across all the articles. Herostratus ( talk) 16:27, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
The lede produces the question: "if the Liberty ships were produced to be supplied to the British, how many did they get?" GraemeLeggett ( talk) 20:04, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
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Another interesting "Liberty ship" tid-bit is that one of them, the SS Benjamin R. Curtis, launched by the California Shipbuilding Co. in November of 1942, later became the SS Grandcamp which was the ship that exploded and caused the massive Texas City disaster in 1947.
Somebody screwed up somewhere. This page says complement is 41; the John W. Brown page says twice that, incl merchant mariners & Navy officers. So? Trekphiler 02:49, 6 January 2006 & 20:46, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
Hoping no one objects, I added an item to the "Fictional Appearances" section, citing Alistair MacLean's use of a Liberty ship in San Andreas. (TEH, 23 April 2006)
I'm a bit perplexed by the sentence "The ships initially had a poor public image." The article doesn't really provide a reason for this. Anyone know the answer? NIIRS zero 11:46, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
The page appears to have been deleted. Anybody know if this is true and if so why? Or is it just me? AJB93 16:22, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
I removed this phrase from the article: "Walter Butler shipbuilders of St Paul Mn built many Lib ships at their facility in Superior, Wi. (I was a welder there.)" It was not developed well and not sourced. It was also in the wrong place. Can anybody help this guy out by fleshing this passage out with more detail and a cite? Binksternet ( talk) 06:34, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
What happened to the Canadian-built ships? There were a few 100 built here.... TREKphiler hit me ♠ 11:52, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
I have been deleting promotion of a book by Ion Livas. No promotion is allowed on Wikipedia. Somebody really wants the book to appear, in all capital letter, too. Binksternet ( talk) 08:13, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
It appears there's confusion over load capacity v displacement. Displacement is all the water displaced by the hull at load; dwt is tonnage carried aboard. TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura 20:39, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
Oil would have been a large proportion of imports to Britain during WW2. Did Liberty ships carry bulk grain? --- DavidJErskine ( talk) 06:41, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
I see that on 12 July 2011 User:Trekphiler removed the link "Warship types of the 19th & 20th centuries" from Liberty Ship on the grounds that Liberty Ships are "not a warship".
Is he aware that the SS Stephen Hopkins was a United States Merchant Marine Liberty ship that served in World War II. She was the first (and only) US ship to sink a German surface combatant during the war.
Regards Oldfarm ( talk) 00:08, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
Weapons on Liberty ship?-- Falkmart ( talk) 13:27, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
In September 1943 strategic plans and shortage of more suitable hulls required that Liberty ships be pressed into emergency use as troop transports with about 225 eventually converted for this purpose.[20] The first general conversions were hastily undertaken by the War Shipping Administration (WSA) so that the ships could join convoys on the way to North Africa for Operation Torch This doesn't compute; the Torch landings were in November 1942 Solicitr ( talk) 16:25, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
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I've always felt that the M1 Garand, the T-34, the Boeing B-17 Flying Fortress+ North American P-51 Mustang, Bletchley Park and the Liberty ship were the weapons which won WWII. Should we be seeking to add any sources which reference things like this? Xerton ( talk) 02:46, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
Is this the biggest serie of ship types? 2000 ships is large number. -- Alex Blokha ( talk) 19:03, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
Everywhere in this article the entity is capitalized, even mid-sentence, as "Liberty ship". Other related articles do this also.
It should be "Liberty Ship". If for some reason you don't want that, it'd have to be "liberty ship" (that's wrong IMO, since "liberty" is a non-descriptive appellation, unlike "cargo ship" or "quickly-built ship" or whatever, but is at least follows a consistent rule).
The current use is a little bit like writing "the team played at Fenway park", except worse since at least Fenway by itself is a proper noun ("it's located in the Fenway neighborhood"), while liberty isn't (you wouldn't write "Smith was a great believer in freedom and Liberty").
If these entities were commonly called "Liberty" or "Liberties", that'd possibly be different. If you could write "Venezuela bought five Liberties...", with ship being merely a helpful adjective, as one might say "Boeing 747 airliner" or something, that'd be different two. But it's not; people don't say "Liberty" alone, without "ship", as they might say "747" without "airliner". I mean they might, and probably do in casual private conversation among ship aficionados, but it's highly non-standard and slangy and we don't do it in our articles. Certainly this article would not be renamed to "Liberty (vessel)" I don't think.
I propose to make this chance presently absent objection. Herostratus ( talk) 16:13, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
According to this article, the SS Albert M. Boe is one of four surviving Liberty Ships. According to the article SS John W. Brown, the Brown is one of three, as the Albert M. Boe is not considered. The article SS Jeremiah O'Brien also does not include the Boe (it says that there are three operational liberty ships left (including SS Arthur M. Huddell which doesn't move under its own power, altho it floats).
The SS Albert M. Boe is described as "currently landlocked", and actually as "grounded" in its infobox, so I assume it is not actually afloat (or, probably, capable of floating anymore). Whether its been internally gutted or not I can't tell (it's certainly not derelict). FWIW the lede for that article begins with "SS Albert M. Boe was a Liberty ship..." (note past tense).
Whether the Boe should or should not be considered a "surviving Liberty Ship" I don't know or care, but if you do, speak; I just want it to be consistent across all the articles. Herostratus ( talk) 16:27, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
The lede produces the question: "if the Liberty ships were produced to be supplied to the British, how many did they get?" GraemeLeggett ( talk) 20:04, 11 December 2021 (UTC)