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This was originally a dictionary defintion, possibly a copyright violation, which is why it's tagged for deletion. However, I think it's an important topic seeing how it was once a strong philosophical movement in Europe. That's why I rewrote, and voted to keep. But not being a libertine, nor one versed in the philosophy, I defer to others to expand on this. I admit, it's not terribly interesting (or perhaps not accurate) as it stands now, but I believe it could be. Alcarillo 15:52, 5 May 2004 (UTC)
This dictionary definition might with more profit be redirected to
rake, one of the
stock character pages. Unless someone wants to elucidate here, I'd suggest Wiktionary and making this a redirect.
Smerdis of Tlön
15:12, 5 May 2004 (UTC)
adding a refference to rake might be good since the lack of content for libertine. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.83.75.55 ( talk • contribs) 12:38, 12 April 2007
I removed that retarded link that has nothing to do with the original article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by VTNC ( talk • contribs) 20:53, 24 March 2007
Amy Macdonald - Let's start a band. Not sure if it is relavent.
92.17.228.21 ( talk) 13:36, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
This article is currently muddled--it is not clear from the text whether this is a "concept" (sometimes an epithet), albeit one with origins in a particular time and place, or a coherent philosophy with self-avowed adherents. It is refered to one time as a philosophy, but without further explanation, and then later the L in "libertines" is capitalized, again suggesting (without explaining) that this was a coherent movement. AdRock ( talk) 15:01, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
Recently, this guy was added to the list. Though he would probably qualify, there are also at least another dozen more famous rock artist that would have to be added to the list if he is; to make a long story short, should any rock music figures be added? Jim Morrison would be on top of my list if we ever decide to do that. Zazaban ( talk) 06:12, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
Please, people. There's already a 'see also' link to the band called The Libertines. Stop adding the band's individual members to this page. It's not clever and it's not funny. AlexTiefling ( talk) 12:27, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
I put GG Allin in the "notable libertines" section, but it was deleted. I think he should be on the list since it even mentions his libertine beliefs on his page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.72.220.135 ( talk) 12:19, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
late 14c., "an emancipated slave," from L. libertinus "member of a class of freedmen," from libertus "one's freedmen," from liber "free" (see liberal). Sense of "freethinker" is first recorded 1560s, from Fr. libertin (1540s) originally the name given to certain Protestant sects in France and the Low Countries. Meaning "dissolute or licentious person" first recorded 1590s; the darkening of meaning being perhaps due to misunderstanding of L. libertinus in Acts vi.9. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.183.157.148 ( talk) 05:00, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
I deleted that. Unverified. Also corrected the tense in that sentence and removed the word "five", because there are more than five senses. Montedison ( talk) 07:01, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
What do they actually have to do with libertinism? 96.244.85.240 ( talk) 19:16, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
I removed Silvio Berlusconi from the list of notable libertines. It was supported by this source, which calls him such in a clever headline. I don't think this passes the BLP bar. I see another user previously removed Dominique Strauss-Kahn, which had a similar reference. We should be very conservative about adding modern figures to this list, especially if they're living. -- BDD ( talk) 20:53, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
I've added Aleister Crowley to the list (and alphabetized it). I see some discussions above relating to the ongoing issues with this list, and hope this addition meets standards. ~ Joga Luce( t)( c) 09:37, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
I've added Aphra Behn to the list. She is vital to the discussion of libertinism, especially in regards to women's literary history in the 18th century. Smdaniels ( talk) 18:55, 5 September 2015 (UTC)Smdaniels
I removed a reference to a "Secret Order of Libertines", because it is evidently a hoax. — Scott • talk 21:29, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
Since there seems to have been some disagreement on whether or not Charlie Sheen should be added to the list of notable libertines, I did a quick Google search for the words "Charlie Sheen libertine" and got more than 200,000 hits. Even the most cursory glance reveals no shortage of reliable secondary sources using the term in reference to Charlie. BLP should not be an issue here. 2601:6C4:C000:A800:28AA:47F5:A6BA:29D9 ( talk) 23:45, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
It seems odd that this article has no discussion of gender, despite the fact that every Libertine listed in the example section is a man. I'd love for a section on feminist perspectives on libertinism, or some reference as to if it was a movement intentionally specific to men. Thoughts? - - mathmitch7 ( talk/ contribs) 18:26, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
This article is not NPV, it presumptuous that sexuality is somehow immoral. A libertine rejects the idea that sexual abstinence is moral, and understands that sex is an entirely normal & ethical behaviour.
I am not going to remove this on my own because it is sourced, but is it really fair to put Bankhead here? All she engaged in was consensual promiscuity. Island Pelican ( talk) 03:13, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
When it comes to this article's subject, there's a weird split on Wikipedia between its various language editions. There are 20 editions that describe the person, 10 editions that describe the philosophy, and only one edition, German (de), that has articles about both. German, being the exception, only has a very small article about de:Libertinismus. The English (en) edition redirects Libertinism to Libertine. Because of the weird split between editions, the sitelinks (interwiki links) are also split in two groups, which prevents easy browsing. Perhaps it makes sense to merge these two wikidata items (Q744443 and Q18915146), after merging the German articles? -- 77.162.8.57 ( talk) 13:20, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
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This was originally a dictionary defintion, possibly a copyright violation, which is why it's tagged for deletion. However, I think it's an important topic seeing how it was once a strong philosophical movement in Europe. That's why I rewrote, and voted to keep. But not being a libertine, nor one versed in the philosophy, I defer to others to expand on this. I admit, it's not terribly interesting (or perhaps not accurate) as it stands now, but I believe it could be. Alcarillo 15:52, 5 May 2004 (UTC)
This dictionary definition might with more profit be redirected to
rake, one of the
stock character pages. Unless someone wants to elucidate here, I'd suggest Wiktionary and making this a redirect.
Smerdis of Tlön
15:12, 5 May 2004 (UTC)
adding a refference to rake might be good since the lack of content for libertine. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.83.75.55 ( talk • contribs) 12:38, 12 April 2007
I removed that retarded link that has nothing to do with the original article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by VTNC ( talk • contribs) 20:53, 24 March 2007
Amy Macdonald - Let's start a band. Not sure if it is relavent.
92.17.228.21 ( talk) 13:36, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
This article is currently muddled--it is not clear from the text whether this is a "concept" (sometimes an epithet), albeit one with origins in a particular time and place, or a coherent philosophy with self-avowed adherents. It is refered to one time as a philosophy, but without further explanation, and then later the L in "libertines" is capitalized, again suggesting (without explaining) that this was a coherent movement. AdRock ( talk) 15:01, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
Recently, this guy was added to the list. Though he would probably qualify, there are also at least another dozen more famous rock artist that would have to be added to the list if he is; to make a long story short, should any rock music figures be added? Jim Morrison would be on top of my list if we ever decide to do that. Zazaban ( talk) 06:12, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
Please, people. There's already a 'see also' link to the band called The Libertines. Stop adding the band's individual members to this page. It's not clever and it's not funny. AlexTiefling ( talk) 12:27, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
I put GG Allin in the "notable libertines" section, but it was deleted. I think he should be on the list since it even mentions his libertine beliefs on his page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.72.220.135 ( talk) 12:19, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
late 14c., "an emancipated slave," from L. libertinus "member of a class of freedmen," from libertus "one's freedmen," from liber "free" (see liberal). Sense of "freethinker" is first recorded 1560s, from Fr. libertin (1540s) originally the name given to certain Protestant sects in France and the Low Countries. Meaning "dissolute or licentious person" first recorded 1590s; the darkening of meaning being perhaps due to misunderstanding of L. libertinus in Acts vi.9. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.183.157.148 ( talk) 05:00, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
I deleted that. Unverified. Also corrected the tense in that sentence and removed the word "five", because there are more than five senses. Montedison ( talk) 07:01, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
What do they actually have to do with libertinism? 96.244.85.240 ( talk) 19:16, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
I removed Silvio Berlusconi from the list of notable libertines. It was supported by this source, which calls him such in a clever headline. I don't think this passes the BLP bar. I see another user previously removed Dominique Strauss-Kahn, which had a similar reference. We should be very conservative about adding modern figures to this list, especially if they're living. -- BDD ( talk) 20:53, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
I've added Aleister Crowley to the list (and alphabetized it). I see some discussions above relating to the ongoing issues with this list, and hope this addition meets standards. ~ Joga Luce( t)( c) 09:37, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
I've added Aphra Behn to the list. She is vital to the discussion of libertinism, especially in regards to women's literary history in the 18th century. Smdaniels ( talk) 18:55, 5 September 2015 (UTC)Smdaniels
I removed a reference to a "Secret Order of Libertines", because it is evidently a hoax. — Scott • talk 21:29, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
Since there seems to have been some disagreement on whether or not Charlie Sheen should be added to the list of notable libertines, I did a quick Google search for the words "Charlie Sheen libertine" and got more than 200,000 hits. Even the most cursory glance reveals no shortage of reliable secondary sources using the term in reference to Charlie. BLP should not be an issue here. 2601:6C4:C000:A800:28AA:47F5:A6BA:29D9 ( talk) 23:45, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
It seems odd that this article has no discussion of gender, despite the fact that every Libertine listed in the example section is a man. I'd love for a section on feminist perspectives on libertinism, or some reference as to if it was a movement intentionally specific to men. Thoughts? - - mathmitch7 ( talk/ contribs) 18:26, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
This article is not NPV, it presumptuous that sexuality is somehow immoral. A libertine rejects the idea that sexual abstinence is moral, and understands that sex is an entirely normal & ethical behaviour.
I am not going to remove this on my own because it is sourced, but is it really fair to put Bankhead here? All she engaged in was consensual promiscuity. Island Pelican ( talk) 03:13, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
When it comes to this article's subject, there's a weird split on Wikipedia between its various language editions. There are 20 editions that describe the person, 10 editions that describe the philosophy, and only one edition, German (de), that has articles about both. German, being the exception, only has a very small article about de:Libertinismus. The English (en) edition redirects Libertinism to Libertine. Because of the weird split between editions, the sitelinks (interwiki links) are also split in two groups, which prevents easy browsing. Perhaps it makes sense to merge these two wikidata items (Q744443 and Q18915146), after merging the German articles? -- 77.162.8.57 ( talk) 13:20, 27 March 2022 (UTC)