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== disambig ==
I don't think a disambig page does this term proper justice, this term is created by people that are anti-libertarians using libertarian. It only has 600 hits on google about a third of which seem to be wikipedia-releated and another third seem to be people putting Libertarian/capatalist or libertarian,capatalist in list type forms. Therefore a proper description would only be the fact that the term was created and why, not setting up disambig and giving validty to the term Chuck F 16:28, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)
People seemed to be clashing over whether this should redirect to
anarcho-capitalism or
libertarianism. Such silly conflicts distract people from actually contributing useful material to Wikipedia articles, so I replaced the redirect with a disambiguation. —
FOo 00:29, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Good move. Reithy 14:37, Oct 30, 2004 (UTC)
Not too mention this:
http://www.libertario.org/en/ (if you weren't aware the most powerful and effecitve libertarian party in the world is in Costa Rica, a non-english speaking country.) - DON'T delete my comments
Improv's compromise was excellent. Reithy 20:40, Oct 30, 2004 (UTC)
Hey Chuck F, What problem do you see with my rewrite on the topic? -- Improv 09:01, 31 Oct 2004 (UTC)
People in Europe do not use the term Libertarian Capatalism Chuck F 11:05, 31 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I'm removing the contentious claim until someone can provide evidence for it. Please note that Costa Rica (which is not in Europe, but speaks a non-English European language) has a "libertarian" party in the minarchist free-market sense. — FOo 17:27, 31 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I'm going to start over at the top of this article. This word doesn't exist. This is not a discussion about what to do with the Libertariansm article. if you think libertarianism means something else fine... but this partucilar word has 550 hits on google, more then half of which are from wikipedia. This is an enecylopedia people, not let's define and group poltical words ourselves. This word is obviously not valid, not real and not encylopedic. and thus this article needs to be deleted. barring that it needs to describe that this word is not one in any type of generaly usage, and is created to differante between libertarian socalism and libertariansm Chuck F 14:01, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)
But the term 'libertarian socialism' doesn't exist either, except to distinguish one form of libertarianism from another. The meaning of libertarianism in the article about libertarianism excludes all the people wikipedia has choosen to describe as libertarian socialist rather than just as libertarians. So, this term, 'libertarian capitalist', should be exist on this site, either wikipedia is supporting one POV instead of neutral POV. 195.92.67.71 14:12, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Yes, but the term Libertarian socalism has about 11,000 hits on google, this one has less then 700. and again it's how classical liberal = libertariansm, going and creating a page about kensyian liberal or common good liberal would not be valid, I'd accept modern libertarianism(has more then a 1000 hits on google), but not libertarian capatalist Chuck F 14:15, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Also Libertarian Socalism is a term that was in use before wikipedia, lp capitalism isn't Chuck F 14:19, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Some examples 14:36, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)
These still fall under the banner of what I had wrirten Chuck F 14:44, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)
There are belivers of modern day libertarianism that think private property rights can still be used best to create a voluntary socialist system. so I made the most recent edit to differante these modern day libertarians from libertarians who belive that capatalisim is best for society Chuck F 15:06, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)
So much for the compromising. You've just restored your version with its distoritons and POV. I have reverted to our comrpomise version. I expect you'll revert again, Chuck. I had a few moments of hope there but I guese you really are just a vandal. 195.92.67.71 16:05, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)
It claims that this has moderate usage... that's not true less then 700 hits goggle(less then 550 before this got listed on wikipedia), half of which are not the actual term(rather people listing I'm a beliver in libertarian,capitalism,free-will). Means the term has next to no usage... plus the predate thing is compleatly not true. And mainstream is not pov that's compleatly valid
203.169.250.28 14:57, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I notice one of the edits is:
Libertarian Capitalism is a term created by a small amount of people to refer to mainstream libertarianism. They use the term to distinguish belivers of mainstream libertarianism from others, such as libertarian socialists. The term is not one that is in every-day political or general use.
Isn't this a weasel term?! - Ta bu shi da yu 17:28, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Libertarian capitalism is an expression that some people (not very many, as far as I can tell) use to refer to the same thing as what the article on libertarianism is about. We only need one article on the subject. Therefore, one of them should be a redirect to the other. Since this page has little or no useful text, I am making it the redirect. Of course, we can discuss on libertarianism the option of moving that page elsewhere. - Nat Kraus e 03:08, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)
You all are invited to visit and comment on a draft for a RfC on this and related articles that will eventually likely become a poll. Please remember we are not discussing the topic itself, just the suitable neutral number of issues we want to cover. -- Improv 17:12, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
In the fall of 2004, this article was nominated for deletion. No concensus was ever reached and the discussion was never properly closed. I am now archiving that old discussion. See Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Libertarian capitalism for a record of the debate. Rossami (talk) 20:18, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Since Right Libertarianism is a pejorative term used mainly by opponents, this is a better title for the article. The following link shows how Rothbard thought the term right libertarianism was "bewildering", and shows that he put it in scare quotes. https://mises.org/library/left-and-right-within-libertarianism
PhilLiberty, while I agree that the Right Libertarianism article is problematic as-is, and agree with some of your arguments, you must stop doing what you are doing. Massive changes not only without consensus but without even one other editor supporting them.North8000 ( talk) 14:08, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Right-libertarianism which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — RMCD bot 20:15, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
Since editors at Right libertarism oppose a move of that article, we can now do a separate article here that is more objective. Hopefully, vandals will not follow us to this page and try to destroy this article. Oh! Some are already doing just that. Some asshole (Lithopsian) is repeatedly trying to redirect this article over to the biased POV Right-libertarian article. PhilLiberty ( talk) 16:14, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
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== disambig ==
I don't think a disambig page does this term proper justice, this term is created by people that are anti-libertarians using libertarian. It only has 600 hits on google about a third of which seem to be wikipedia-releated and another third seem to be people putting Libertarian/capatalist or libertarian,capatalist in list type forms. Therefore a proper description would only be the fact that the term was created and why, not setting up disambig and giving validty to the term Chuck F 16:28, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)
People seemed to be clashing over whether this should redirect to
anarcho-capitalism or
libertarianism. Such silly conflicts distract people from actually contributing useful material to Wikipedia articles, so I replaced the redirect with a disambiguation. —
FOo 00:29, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Good move. Reithy 14:37, Oct 30, 2004 (UTC)
Not too mention this:
http://www.libertario.org/en/ (if you weren't aware the most powerful and effecitve libertarian party in the world is in Costa Rica, a non-english speaking country.) - DON'T delete my comments
Improv's compromise was excellent. Reithy 20:40, Oct 30, 2004 (UTC)
Hey Chuck F, What problem do you see with my rewrite on the topic? -- Improv 09:01, 31 Oct 2004 (UTC)
People in Europe do not use the term Libertarian Capatalism Chuck F 11:05, 31 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I'm removing the contentious claim until someone can provide evidence for it. Please note that Costa Rica (which is not in Europe, but speaks a non-English European language) has a "libertarian" party in the minarchist free-market sense. — FOo 17:27, 31 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I'm going to start over at the top of this article. This word doesn't exist. This is not a discussion about what to do with the Libertariansm article. if you think libertarianism means something else fine... but this partucilar word has 550 hits on google, more then half of which are from wikipedia. This is an enecylopedia people, not let's define and group poltical words ourselves. This word is obviously not valid, not real and not encylopedic. and thus this article needs to be deleted. barring that it needs to describe that this word is not one in any type of generaly usage, and is created to differante between libertarian socalism and libertariansm Chuck F 14:01, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)
But the term 'libertarian socialism' doesn't exist either, except to distinguish one form of libertarianism from another. The meaning of libertarianism in the article about libertarianism excludes all the people wikipedia has choosen to describe as libertarian socialist rather than just as libertarians. So, this term, 'libertarian capitalist', should be exist on this site, either wikipedia is supporting one POV instead of neutral POV. 195.92.67.71 14:12, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Yes, but the term Libertarian socalism has about 11,000 hits on google, this one has less then 700. and again it's how classical liberal = libertariansm, going and creating a page about kensyian liberal or common good liberal would not be valid, I'd accept modern libertarianism(has more then a 1000 hits on google), but not libertarian capatalist Chuck F 14:15, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Also Libertarian Socalism is a term that was in use before wikipedia, lp capitalism isn't Chuck F 14:19, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Some examples 14:36, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)
These still fall under the banner of what I had wrirten Chuck F 14:44, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)
There are belivers of modern day libertarianism that think private property rights can still be used best to create a voluntary socialist system. so I made the most recent edit to differante these modern day libertarians from libertarians who belive that capatalisim is best for society Chuck F 15:06, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)
So much for the compromising. You've just restored your version with its distoritons and POV. I have reverted to our comrpomise version. I expect you'll revert again, Chuck. I had a few moments of hope there but I guese you really are just a vandal. 195.92.67.71 16:05, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)
It claims that this has moderate usage... that's not true less then 700 hits goggle(less then 550 before this got listed on wikipedia), half of which are not the actual term(rather people listing I'm a beliver in libertarian,capitalism,free-will). Means the term has next to no usage... plus the predate thing is compleatly not true. And mainstream is not pov that's compleatly valid
203.169.250.28 14:57, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I notice one of the edits is:
Libertarian Capitalism is a term created by a small amount of people to refer to mainstream libertarianism. They use the term to distinguish belivers of mainstream libertarianism from others, such as libertarian socialists. The term is not one that is in every-day political or general use.
Isn't this a weasel term?! - Ta bu shi da yu 17:28, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Libertarian capitalism is an expression that some people (not very many, as far as I can tell) use to refer to the same thing as what the article on libertarianism is about. We only need one article on the subject. Therefore, one of them should be a redirect to the other. Since this page has little or no useful text, I am making it the redirect. Of course, we can discuss on libertarianism the option of moving that page elsewhere. - Nat Kraus e 03:08, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)
You all are invited to visit and comment on a draft for a RfC on this and related articles that will eventually likely become a poll. Please remember we are not discussing the topic itself, just the suitable neutral number of issues we want to cover. -- Improv 17:12, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
In the fall of 2004, this article was nominated for deletion. No concensus was ever reached and the discussion was never properly closed. I am now archiving that old discussion. See Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Libertarian capitalism for a record of the debate. Rossami (talk) 20:18, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Since Right Libertarianism is a pejorative term used mainly by opponents, this is a better title for the article. The following link shows how Rothbard thought the term right libertarianism was "bewildering", and shows that he put it in scare quotes. https://mises.org/library/left-and-right-within-libertarianism
PhilLiberty, while I agree that the Right Libertarianism article is problematic as-is, and agree with some of your arguments, you must stop doing what you are doing. Massive changes not only without consensus but without even one other editor supporting them.North8000 ( talk) 14:08, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Right-libertarianism which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — RMCD bot 20:15, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
Since editors at Right libertarism oppose a move of that article, we can now do a separate article here that is more objective. Hopefully, vandals will not follow us to this page and try to destroy this article. Oh! Some are already doing just that. Some asshole (Lithopsian) is repeatedly trying to redirect this article over to the biased POV Right-libertarian article. PhilLiberty ( talk) 16:14, 28 August 2019 (UTC)