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The result of the move request was: moved ( non-admin closure) ;; Maddy ♥︎(they/she)♥︎ :: talk 14:42, 24 August 2022 (UTC) Clarification: there was also consensus that the word "than" should be lowercase per MOS:5; thus Less Than Zero (song) was moved to Less than Zero (Elvis Costello song). Less than Zero was moved to Less Than Zero (The Weeknd song) by an uninvolved editor; it will now be moved to Less than Zero (The Weeknd song). ;; Maddy ♥︎(they/she)♥︎ :: talk 16:51, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
– Need to differentiate between these two song articles by more than just whether "than" is capitalised or not. Arguing whether one song should be the primary article should be redundant here, because Less Than Zero is already a disambiguation page for more than just the songs, so having Less than Zero as a completely different page is confusing, and although the Weeknd song is getting a lot of attention at the moment, Costello's debut single is also a well known song which will have received plenty of coverage over the years. Richard3120 ( talk) 20:32, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
Hi Maddy from Celeste, I don't know if you are aware, but there is an issue with the moved pages. Please see Less than Zero (The Weeknd song). I would also raise generally that I find the title Less than Zero (The Weeknd song) a bit confusing as an article title (forget about the issue of capping than since that is resolved, if not yet fully implemented). Not knowing that the Weeknd is a stage name (act) this very much looks to me to be a subtitle/alternative name. Furthermore, parentheses are not treated as the start of a new sentence and caps should only be applied if necessary. We don't cap the Beatles or the Seekers in prose nor is the Weeknd, though I know that capitalisation of the can be idiosyncratic ( MOS:THECAPS). Not italicising the song title doesn't help but I don't think that leads to a solution since the parenthetic text would still have the appearance of being a subtitle/alternative name. Lowercasing the (eg Less than Zero (the Weeknd song) would make this clearer IMO. Another alternative might be Less than Zero (song by T[t]he Weeknd). The second alternative is marginally less concise and not consistent with what is usually done (eg Less than Zero (Elvis Costello song) but this should be weighed against it being (IMHO) significantly clearer in this case. Pinging contributors to this discussion for your thoughts: @ Richard3120, BarrelProof, 162 etc., Dicklyon, and Richhoncho:. Regards, Cinderella157 ( talk) 01:15, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
Hi, the substantive issue I'm raising is the clarity of the parenthetic disambiguation and that it creates the impression of a subtitle/alternative name - ie it is a song about the weekend (with a contraction of weekend, which is not an unreasonable perception). I was not raising an issue of whether or not the should be capitalised or even included but feeling out how clarity could be improved. Cinderella157 ( talk) 09:52, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: moved ( non-admin closure) ;; Maddy ♥︎(they/she)♥︎ :: talk 14:42, 24 August 2022 (UTC) Clarification: there was also consensus that the word "than" should be lowercase per MOS:5; thus Less Than Zero (song) was moved to Less than Zero (Elvis Costello song). Less than Zero was moved to Less Than Zero (The Weeknd song) by an uninvolved editor; it will now be moved to Less than Zero (The Weeknd song). ;; Maddy ♥︎(they/she)♥︎ :: talk 16:51, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
– Need to differentiate between these two song articles by more than just whether "than" is capitalised or not. Arguing whether one song should be the primary article should be redundant here, because Less Than Zero is already a disambiguation page for more than just the songs, so having Less than Zero as a completely different page is confusing, and although the Weeknd song is getting a lot of attention at the moment, Costello's debut single is also a well known song which will have received plenty of coverage over the years. Richard3120 ( talk) 20:32, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
Hi Maddy from Celeste, I don't know if you are aware, but there is an issue with the moved pages. Please see Less than Zero (The Weeknd song). I would also raise generally that I find the title Less than Zero (The Weeknd song) a bit confusing as an article title (forget about the issue of capping than since that is resolved, if not yet fully implemented). Not knowing that the Weeknd is a stage name (act) this very much looks to me to be a subtitle/alternative name. Furthermore, parentheses are not treated as the start of a new sentence and caps should only be applied if necessary. We don't cap the Beatles or the Seekers in prose nor is the Weeknd, though I know that capitalisation of the can be idiosyncratic ( MOS:THECAPS). Not italicising the song title doesn't help but I don't think that leads to a solution since the parenthetic text would still have the appearance of being a subtitle/alternative name. Lowercasing the (eg Less than Zero (the Weeknd song) would make this clearer IMO. Another alternative might be Less than Zero (song by T[t]he Weeknd). The second alternative is marginally less concise and not consistent with what is usually done (eg Less than Zero (Elvis Costello song) but this should be weighed against it being (IMHO) significantly clearer in this case. Pinging contributors to this discussion for your thoughts: @ Richard3120, BarrelProof, 162 etc., Dicklyon, and Richhoncho:. Regards, Cinderella157 ( talk) 01:15, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
Hi, the substantive issue I'm raising is the clarity of the parenthetic disambiguation and that it creates the impression of a subtitle/alternative name - ie it is a song about the weekend (with a contraction of weekend, which is not an unreasonable perception). I was not raising an issue of whether or not the should be capitalised or even included but feeling out how clarity could be improved. Cinderella157 ( talk) 09:52, 25 August 2022 (UTC)