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This was a trial run and I'll be back; I've done the same with Sealth's speech, though not in Wikipedia. One of the points of doing this was to compare what the translator says the chief(s) said vs. what it's possible to say in the Jargon. So what's above is very rough, and is probably too literal; which in my estimation the translator wasn't being; rather providing text that sums up whatever it was the Chief had to say. It's even more pronounced with the Sealth speech, though, where there's all kinds of images and metaphors which do not exist in the Jargon, or would be very difficult to translate with the desired economy of words. "You can say anything in the Jargon is you use the right words, or enough of them", but the overall style of the Jargon was laconic and very economical on the use of words; images were more likely conveyed by gesture, which was a large part of the Jargon's mode of communication.
Of course, it might be that he made the speech in Lushootseed, in which case anything's possible Skookum1 01:17, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
Re the new Category:People executed by the United States federal government, while it was indeed federal troops who arrested him and the trial was held on a military base - if Steilcoom was a military base already - or was it a military court or a court of the territorial government? The appeal to the state supreme court indicates to me, though I know little of American juridicial structure, that the conviction was in state jusrisdiction, or rather in territorial jurisdiction that was inherited by the state courts: this would seem to me to be a territorial court; if it was a military one wouldn't it be the Judge Advocate General or another military justice or body the appeal would have been filed with? Just asking, but it doesn't sound right; orwere territorial courts inherently proxies of the federal govenrment; if so why wasn't the appeal federal? Skookum1 ( talk) 03:26, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
Leschi was actually lynched as I recall. He had been acquitted, then retried and convicted, but was under some protection in Olympia and I think some men grabbed him, rode him up to Steilacoom and lynched him in the oak forest there by what is now American Lake. Hypatea ( talk) 14:23, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
Just as a heads up, one of the Seattle city fire boats is named after Chief Leschi http://www.seattle.gov/fleetsfacilities/firelevy/facilities/marine/marinelargeplatform.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.16.162.178 ( talk) 09:11, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
Since, Eatonville was not incorporated until over 100 years after Chief Leschi was born, and it is unknown if he was born within the actual current city limits, is it really appropriate to say that he is from Eatonville? As an example, I live in a place that belonged to Mexico 150 years before I was born. Today it belongs to the United States of America. Am I from Mexico? 47.137.191.83 ( talk) 01:25, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
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This was a trial run and I'll be back; I've done the same with Sealth's speech, though not in Wikipedia. One of the points of doing this was to compare what the translator says the chief(s) said vs. what it's possible to say in the Jargon. So what's above is very rough, and is probably too literal; which in my estimation the translator wasn't being; rather providing text that sums up whatever it was the Chief had to say. It's even more pronounced with the Sealth speech, though, where there's all kinds of images and metaphors which do not exist in the Jargon, or would be very difficult to translate with the desired economy of words. "You can say anything in the Jargon is you use the right words, or enough of them", but the overall style of the Jargon was laconic and very economical on the use of words; images were more likely conveyed by gesture, which was a large part of the Jargon's mode of communication.
Of course, it might be that he made the speech in Lushootseed, in which case anything's possible Skookum1 01:17, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
Re the new Category:People executed by the United States federal government, while it was indeed federal troops who arrested him and the trial was held on a military base - if Steilcoom was a military base already - or was it a military court or a court of the territorial government? The appeal to the state supreme court indicates to me, though I know little of American juridicial structure, that the conviction was in state jusrisdiction, or rather in territorial jurisdiction that was inherited by the state courts: this would seem to me to be a territorial court; if it was a military one wouldn't it be the Judge Advocate General or another military justice or body the appeal would have been filed with? Just asking, but it doesn't sound right; orwere territorial courts inherently proxies of the federal govenrment; if so why wasn't the appeal federal? Skookum1 ( talk) 03:26, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
Leschi was actually lynched as I recall. He had been acquitted, then retried and convicted, but was under some protection in Olympia and I think some men grabbed him, rode him up to Steilacoom and lynched him in the oak forest there by what is now American Lake. Hypatea ( talk) 14:23, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
Just as a heads up, one of the Seattle city fire boats is named after Chief Leschi http://www.seattle.gov/fleetsfacilities/firelevy/facilities/marine/marinelargeplatform.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.16.162.178 ( talk) 09:11, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
Since, Eatonville was not incorporated until over 100 years after Chief Leschi was born, and it is unknown if he was born within the actual current city limits, is it really appropriate to say that he is from Eatonville? As an example, I live in a place that belonged to Mexico 150 years before I was born. Today it belongs to the United States of America. Am I from Mexico? 47.137.191.83 ( talk) 01:25, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
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